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This week, actress Anna Kendrick went viral for saying that she wouldn't get involved with any man who hadn't been to therapy. Twitter promptly rushed to dunk on her, pointing out that men who go to therapy are, well…this:
Anna Kendrick's story is a bit more complicated than her randomly deciding to rule out men who haven't seen a therapist, which I know sounds enticingly cringe to the cohort of people whose worst nightmare is an "affluent white female liberal" or AWFL (I just found out about this today, I'm obsessed.) Apparently, for the past seven years she was in a relationship (privately, with an anonymous ex-boyfriend) who was emotionally abusive. But—and this feels almost too on the nose—she also said that her couple's therapist sided with her abusive ex through most of their sessions, up until the end of their relationship.
Anna Kendrick is also not alone in this belief. I've seen countless tweets and posts saying that only when someone has "fully healed" and been in therapy for some period of time (not clear how long) are they worthy of love. As someone with OCD, which I'll always have: lol.
I get where the fiercely pro-therapy contingent is coming from. When I was growing up in the '90s, therapy was kind of taboo. It was assumed that the only people who saw a therapist had serious mental illness. I was around seven when my parents took me to a therapist (the impetus was some uncharacteristically bad behavior on my part—I TP'ed the bathroom at a restaurant, which they saw was a cry for help) and I remember telling everyone at school that I had to go to the "eye doctor" instead. Arguably this made me seem even weirder—what could possibly be so wrong with my eyes that I needed to see a doctor for them every week? But a psychologist seemed much more embarrassing. When my mom told me it was nothing to be ashamed of, I said, "The word psycho is literally in the name."
Like many relics of the '90s—prioritization of carbs over fats, glorification of small butts, Trump being a funny and unthreatening media personality—we have overcorrected. Therapy went from being a shameful secret to a requirement for full humanhood, at least for a sizable chunk of people. This trend began with some normal and probably necessary shifts in perception. We started telling teenagers, a notoriously self-conscious and mentally ill cohort, that it was okay to talk about mental health. Celebrities began opening up about their anxiety and depression. OB-GYNs started talking to moms about the warning signs of postpartum depression. You could argue that this version of "mental health awareness" was overly sanitized and only accepting of "cute" mental illnesses (I've seen how people react to some of the more taboo OCD intrusive thoughts, or personality disorders, and it's not very accepting!) But in general, this shift was needed. People thinking too positively about therapy isn't as big of a problem as other people—especially young men—being afraid to seek help.
But there were, of course, downsides. One thing I noticed was the potential for dangerous social contagion as we "raised awareness" about various mental health struggles. When I watched Degrassi in the mid-2000s, there was a very dramatic plotline where a scene-girl character grapples with self-harm. She was hardly the only representation of this stereotype, but somewhere along the line, being "emo" or "scene" became synonymous with cutting yourself. All of the "raising awareness" seemed to create awareness in kids who otherwise wouldn't have considered doing this. At my school, there was a trend among the more "alt" girls to lightly imply self harm by hiding their arms in particularly conspicuous ways. Most if not all of these girls were not actually cutting. I have to ask: was it actually beneficial that Degrassi and similar teen media had this plotline? What was the ratio of "kids who got help for cutting" versus "kids who started cutting because they saw it, or were friends with someone who saw it?" I don't know! But it's worth examining.
The other downside, of course, is the fact that as therapy became more acceptable for people as part of "self care" instead of treatment for a specific diagnosed mental illness, it attracted people who previously would have just yapped the ears off their hair stylist or bartender. And the "therapy man" who accuses you of gaslamping for asking him not to text his ex-girlfriend is a prime example.
As you might be aware from reading my other articles, I have diagnosed OCD, which wasn't diagnosed until about seven years after I started experiencing symptoms. This was in part due to the fact that it took me that long to see a behavioral therapist. Perhaps I'm a little biased, because straightforward CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) especially paired with ERP (exposure response therapy) is the only thing that's ever helped my OCD, including medication (which did nothing, unless you count s*x drive suppression as "something.") Perhaps it's a radical (or, dare I say, "crazy") belief, but I actually don't think therapy is that helpful if it's not behavioral, or otherwise formulated to target symptoms of a particular mental illness. I don't see a lot of benefit to therapy that basically exists as a series of long expensive conversations.
I've known people who were very pro-therapy despite not actually suffering from a mental illness, who treated therapy like a regular part of self-care, akin to haircuts or workouts, and while I'm happy they aren't ashamed to seek therapy, they also (and I'm speaking generally here) tend to use therapy as an outlet for venting about their various nemeses, and concluding that they are the victims of every social interaction.
I say this as someone who is a bit narcissistic—there's something extremely enticing about a narrative in which you are the innocent party whose only fault was being too nice to people who wronged you. As Trump would say, "I've been treated so unfairly." I don't think Trump and I are alone in this. There's a reason that lots of people will talk about how they "always date buttholes" or "always date crazy girls." Usually, when someone says this, it's clear that they are, in fact, the problem. But I think this sort of subclinical pop therapy—which I'll call "green juice therapy"—is extremely tempting to people who are vaguely dissatisfied with their life, but who would probably derive more benefit from tedious manual labor in Siberia than continually examining their relationships on a CB2 couch in San Francisco.
Of course, if someone doesn't have a mental illness, they shouldn't be barred from seeking therapy. Perhaps therapy can help people become better communicators and develop more confidence, even if they aren't mentally ill. I know several couples who successfully attended, and graduated from, couple's counseling for some minor issues in their marriages. But whenever I hear someone talking about how therapy has worked out so well for them, and yet they have been in therapy for multiple years with no actual mental illness or any plan to stop—I'm sorry, I just don't think that's a success story for anyone except the therapist's new beach home. This dynamic creates a very tempting niche to fill. If you're a therapist, it's a pretty sweet gig to "treat" a patient who isn't actually sick, who just wants to talk about all the people who have wronged them and have you nod along with their narrative. And what's even more tempting isn't just to treat this type of person, but to keep this sweet deal going indefinitely.
It's also worth noting that there are many people who count as "therapists" who are not psychologists. This can be fine; one of my best CBT therapists was actually a clinical social worker. But I also think that all the various paths to becoming a "therapist" attract certain grifters who might otherwise become a life coach or dog chiropractor.
This type of therapy also enables the aforementioned "therapy men." No person better exemplifies the idea of a manipulative therapy man than Jonah Hill, who went viral after a breakup with his girlfriend because of the following texts he sent, using what many refer to as "therapy speak" to basically tell her he didn't feel comfortable with her posting photos of her in her swimsuit, as a professional surfer:
I'm not going to write about Jonah Hill very much, because he's hardly the only person to do this. It seems that if you sprinkle words like "boundaries" or "vulnerability" or "trauma response" into your comments, you can kind of justify anything. Take, for example, the viral tweet (now deleted, and I can't find it) about how autism and missed social cues are responsible for repeated infidelity (look, if you can find an neurodivergent guy who has enough rizz to pull multiple hoes by accident, I'll be very impressed.)
Because these buzzwords often mean nothing, they can be interpreted however anyone wants. I saw an interesting conflict go down on Twitter when someone referred to the trauma caused by being cheated on, and they were told that this couldn't be traumatic for anyone because "nobody owns another person's sexuality." Major undertones of "I don't want something to be traumatic if it conflicts with my particular beliefs about what is and isn't acceptable." All over the Internet, it seems like trauma is selectively used as a trump card to condemn or excuse behavior, usually behavior in which you have some kind of invested interest. I can't say how often this happens in real life, though, because I think the people who employ this tactic are rarely spotted outside. But I did have a coworker who described "finally escaping a toxic relationship with the help of my therapist," only to, after a few drinks, refer to her ex-boyfriend as having broken up with her.
But anyway, this is how you get people who, with the help of a particularly compliant therapist, start leveraging "therapy speak" to excuse all their bad behavior and condemn bad behavior from people they don't like. One minute it's, "I need to seek therapy for my self-esteem," and the next minute it's, "Babe, my love language is receiving feet pics from OnlyFans girls."
I actually think this type of self-indulgent therapy is more popular with women than men, even though men get teased for it. That's not because women are more narcissistic or manipulative, but rather because therapy is more normalized among women in general so there's a larger sample size of women who seek therapy at all. As a result of this reality, men who behave this way may stand out more. But I do think that certain men discover this secret code language of boundaries and trauma responses, and use it to their advantage.
But where does that leave us—people who (at least I hope) care about mental health, including that of men? Therapy, even if you include the green juice stuff, is still a net positive overall. Some men view the ridicule of "manipulative therapy men" as ridicule of all men who go to therapy, and that's certainly not right. If you forced every man in the world to see a therapist for a few weeks, things would probably be better for men overall, and not because they got better at manipulating women into doing threesomes. But therapy is not mandated (at least not yet- just wait until Komrade Kamala takes office and forces men into therapy while she does transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison!!) so it feels especially silly to make blanket statements about how therapy "helps men become abusive," as many jeered at Anna Kendrick this week.
The answer to the manipulative therapy men isn't to condemn therapy, or to say that men who seek it are inherently worse. Some certainly are, but many others are doing the right thing for their mental health. And honestly, I don't even think that consumers of green juice therapy are necessarily doing anything wrong, even when they emerge from therapy with insufferable victimhood narratives. If anything, the therapist is to blame. The problem is that a lot of these people literally just need a group of friends, or even one friend. But the thing about friends is that if they're actually decent, they'll tell you when you're being an butthole. Ironically, sometimes people like this will cut friends out of their life if their therapist, who suspiciously agrees with everything they say, believes their friend is "toxic." And the self-perpetuating cycle continues.
There isn't much to do about this problem, but I don't think shaming men for seeking therapy is the way to go (yes, I joked about it, but I did clarify in my next tweet that I was joking! Hopefully that counts!) And anyway, even if I wasn't just joking about men who get therapy, humor is literally my trauma response and criticizing me for it is violating a really important boundary.
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The Jonah Hill thing is funny because he was saying, "Stop posting photos of yourself and hanging out with those guys or I'll break up with you." But this is now considered manipulative and controlling so he just played the same game and dressed it up with therapy speak.
This reminds me of how people talk about promiscuous women. We have gone from scarlet letters and slut shaming to shaming men who don't want to date a woman with an extensive sexual history. The whole thing is clearly just a way to try to tilt the balance of the dating game in favor of women.
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My problem with therapy is every time ive heard someone talk about it, theyre just describing talking to someone. This could be beneficial if youre alone or your problems are too big to put on others, but thats not the case for 99% of people in therapy.
I mean good for you for seeking the basic human need for connection but it's not new.
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fr, unless you have some crazy trauma (like your parents were murdered in front of you or smth) then therapy does nothing for you that a good group of friends doesn't. You can talk with whatever random ups and downs of life with friends.
The problem is there's a scary amount of people with literally no friends.
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Confession, even if you include the ridiculous non-Catholic versions, is still a net positive overall. Some men view the ridicule of "christcuck weirdos" as ridicule of all men who go to the sacrament of Cofession, and that's certainly not right. If you forced every man in the world to go to Confession and confess their sins before the sight of the Lord for a few weeks, things would probably be better for men overall, and not because they got better at manipulating women into doing threesomes.
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Building on this, the inverse would be that white liberal women have replaced the role of religious confession with therapy and treat it as sacred in the same fashion. There's a reason !Catholics don't allow women into the priesthood, and it correlates heavily with why therapy is not merely useless but often actively detrimental to personal growth.
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papists
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Oh frick, is it? I'll dump the text
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Wait, it's super not paywalled. Are you fricking with me or are you r-slurred?
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Unfortunately you are the r-slur
It literally says it's a paid post at the top, and the article cuts off in the middle with a message begging for signups
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Noooo I am the r-slur
I'm not a paid subscriber and wasn't paying attention to the interface when I read it so just thought it kind of trailed off because some of her posts do that. Anyway I now have the rest and will put it in the post body once I get back to a real computer
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it's soft paywalled but dont worry, no ones reading longer than 5 sentences here unless its written by a south african
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I wanted to know about the therapy jerks and now I never will
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It's up now
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I read half of it before i got bored. I get the gist of it though therapy is for bad people same as it always was
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For most of the population, ie non-basketcases needing state-funded shrinks, therapy is a luxury for the middle/upper middle class. It wont make you any more or less of a douchebag than you already are unless a) you use some annoying foid-y ones and eat it up wholesale or b) you already have no self awareness and put zero effort in. It still has some value once in a while at different points in life mostly as a sounding board until you figure it out yourself
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The 2nd half is paywalled
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Totally paywalled bro. Do you subscribe to this substack?
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So basicially when I want to cheat on you and be promiscuous, well that's because I am a traumatized neurodivergent r-slur and I cant help my self and It's my sexuality and also you should feel bad for me. But when you want to wear a skimpy bathing suit in public and make me look bad because I am a fatass slob funny typecast actor jonah hill, you need to respect my boundaries of not having to compete with other men over you.
^ literally one of the first GIFs on the gif selector
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Look the whole thing with therapy is that "mental illness" is fundamentally defined as anything that makes you incompatible with society: the purpose of psychotherapy is to round you down and make you re-compatible with society. So unless you are a total schizophrenic pica shit eating maniac who is bouncing off the walls or a childhood r*pe victim or a veteran you can probably solve your issues yourself (it's like depending on your doctor completely to actually take care of your health instead of writing you up prescriptions for shit you dont need) and dont need to take mind altering drugs to make you a literal NPC.
Some chicks love psychotherapy because it makes their life narrative more interesting by making them imagine as if they are mentally ill and introduces them to the feminine mind control tactics they need to succeed in the modern landscape. Therapy only attracts feminine men.
If you can imagine hitler's regime as an emerging "masculine evil", there is certainly an emerging "feminine evil" in our society that is represented by institutions like psychotherapy that use "soft power" and word games[1] to change your mind subtly instead of directly/transparently trying to control and influence you.
I used to think the issue in our society is that we give psycho chicks too much power, but the root issue with our society is really just these weak beta men who are in positions of power. It's like everywhere I look, everywhere I go I see these weak beta fricking men causing problems. Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?
Its sort of a good times make weak men situation. I'll admit, as an mtM twinkoid i am one of them
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oh so she wants to be someone's beard
anyway, therapists are grifters who as far as i can tell actually make their patients worse and america's mental health would improve if we threw them off of buildings
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I'm gonna say it. if you can't summarize your points in 3 short paragraphs or less you're doing it for attention and/or are a liberal arts r-slur. Even scientific studies have a tldr section
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that's what the memes were for
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new Cartoons Hate Her pic just dropped
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That is a really weird body shape. !tops !bottoms discuss and be catty
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lol that's the lady who made the unironic "nerds are having better s*x than you" comic isn't it
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The only post i've seen of her on my TL was her saying she had an ugly face. Weird. Is the guy 5'5 or unemployed or something? Also why is she being vain anyway? Curating the idea that you're hot is cringe no matter how much people pretend otherwise. Her therapy jerks essay acts like she's trying to hold her vanity and self-obsession at arms length.
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Everyday I pray someday the TheRapy propaganda campaign dies. It is a complete waste of time, and money
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Paying someone to pretend to be your friend at best, to r*pe your mind at worst
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If she is crazy enough herself maybe she will try to have s*x with (you)
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The goth chick on Degrassi was cute, but the trashy bad girl that became a lesbian with the cheerleader captain was better.
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Behind every therapist degree is a person who gets off on hearing other people's r*pe trauma.
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They banged. After or during therapy, but they banged.
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Yes b-word, you mentioned this extensively just 500 words ago
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I actually saw that twitter thread where they went in on someone for saying they had trauma after being cheated on. It was strange seeing thousands of therapy obsessed women go in and say "NEVER TRAUMATIC" meanwhile people completely lose their sense of reason and commit murder over adultery. Heck, society even agreed adulterers deserved death at times. Adultery is not that uncommon though. Probably about a quarter of people cheat. So I would expect this kind of reasoning from the anti-therapy movement. But actually it came from inside the over medicalizing therapy fluoride people. My guess? The foids that claim to be domestic violence victims after getting b-word slapped by their boyfriends wanted to deny the harm they caused by fricking another dude.
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Snapshots:
https://open.substack.com/pub/cartoonshateher/p/the-rise-of-the-therapy-jerks:
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