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EFFORTPOST @Grue made the mistake of asking me why Gilmore Girls: A Year in the Life sucked so now you all have to suffer, too. [Spoilers]

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Spoilers for a 20 year old TV series & TW for special interest 'tism...

The creator/showrunner/lead writer of Gilmore Girls was Amy Sherman-Palladino (ASP), and she's the main person responsible for the unique cozy vibe and fast-paced, reference-heavy dialogue of the original series. She's also something of a crazy control freak who had a very particular predefined arc in mind for the show, one that would highlight the parallels between Rory and her mother and grandmother, Emily (the 3rd Gilmore Girl). For years fans heard about the mysterious "final 4 words" that she already knew would end the series. She's like the opposite of the GoT showrunners who had no idea how the frick they were going to wrap up the ending.

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ASP may be a stubborn b-word but she's a good writer with strong hat game

Except... ASP was forced out after the penultimate sixth season of the original run in a contract dispute with the network, the details of which have always been hazy. Toward the end of the sixth season, ASP added a bunch of zany plots (e.g. Lorelai throwing herself at Rory's deadbeat dad, Christopher) that almost seemed like a vindictive attempt to sabotage the show on her way out the door. The new show runners dumped into the thick of it for the seventh season did their best to tie up all the bizarre loose ends, and in doing so they moved away from the predestined fatalism of ASP's original arc - the theme of which could be loosely summed up as "no matter how you try to run away from it, you always grow up to be your mother." :marseyitneverbegan:

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Spoiled douchbag boyfriend, meet spoiled douchebag dad

For example, ASP always had in mind that Rory's rich, spoiled boyfriend, Logan, would be "her Christopher," a dissolute playboy who toys with her heart, knocks her up, and ultimately abandons her - but during the final season without ASP, the writers moved away from that storyline: Logan becomes estranged from his wealthy family, he has to stand on his own two feet, he exhibits personal growth. By the end of the series, he's ready to commit; he doesn't abandon Rory, he wants to marry her, but she decides she's not ready to settle down so young. The original series ends with Rory Gilmore, a promising young journ*list heading off to Iowa to cover the long-shot presidential campaign of a promising young Senator named Barack Obama.

The seventh season is divisive among fans for a few reasons (the hasty resolution of many of ASP's S6 landmine plots, the dialogue feels kind of off, some new characters are sloppily introduced late in the game) but I think most people enjoyed seeing Logan grow up a bit and the way his relationship with Rory matured. Most people liked the ending, and thought it was fitting to have Rory choose herself and her career over a man. There's a little bit of added millennial nostalgia/wish-fulfillment and serendipity to see Rory climbing onto the Obama campaign bus when we know he's going to win that race. As viewers, we figure Rory is off to a great start with a bright future ahead of her covering a landmark campaign up close.

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Go get 'em, Ace!

Then, eight years later, Netflix gave ASP an assload of money to make A Year in the Life and she used it to take a giant shit all over Season Seven. She basically returned to Stars Hollow with the intent to settle old scores and give Gilmore Girls the ending that she knew it had to have: even if it didn't make a darn lick of sense almost a decade later. She has claimed that she has never watched S7, that she doesn't even really consider it canon. She said she had an assistant watch it and take notes for her. In AYITL, she kept one baby born in S7, and threw out almost everything else, determined to tell her version of what season 7 should have been.

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Netflix: Buying your childhood to wear as a four-piece skinsuit

Lorelai and Luke (her main love interest/will-they-won't-they) act like newlyweds wrestling with the decision about whether to have kids, even though they've been married for the better part of a decade and Lorelai is pushing 50. Rory is broke, directionless and struggling like a new college grad, not like a woman in her 30s with access to a multimillion dollar trust fund. Logan is instantly back to being a useless frickboi: engaged to a beautiful woman we never see, but carrying on an affair with Rory.

The only good storyline in AYITL centers on Emily coming to terms with the loss of her husband, Richard (Rory's grandfather) and that story was forced on ASP by the real-life death of the actor Edward Herrmann. She had to actually write a new, age-appropriate story for Emily instead of dusting off whatever she wanted to do for S7, and it's so much better for it.

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Poor Ed's brain cancer is the real MVP of AYITL

There's a bunch of other minor shit that sucks in AYITL: fat-shaming that feels very early-2000s and out of step with modern culture, lazily retconning certain characters to be gay for added diversity, an unfunny retread of the "Ann? Her?" gag from Arrested Development. But the main reason A Year In The Life is terrible is that ASP was too stubborn to incorporate any of the stories that other writers had given to her characters, so instead of a thoughtful extrapolation of how these characters might have lived and grown or changed over almost ten years, she did S7: ASP's Version. It's 2016, not 2007, but no one has changed at all or learned anything in the meantime.

A Year in the Life ends with the famous "final four words" that ASP had always preordained, even if they no longer make any goddarn sense from a narrative perspective:

"Mom?"

"Yeah?"

"I'm pregnant."

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Barely 32 years old and having a bastard with this dude! :marseycry:


Thank you for coming to my TED talk, as a reward for your patience, enjoy this spot-on Mad TV parody:

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There's no more effective proof a user is a woman than this post. Well done.

:#marseyclapping:

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Isn't the show popular with gay men as well?

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It might be? I made my boyfriend watch it with me one time (by one time, I mean one time through the whole of S1-7, so like 150 episodes), and he seemed to get kind of into it - then, later, he broke up with me. So yeah maybe let's say both of those things were because he was gay and totally not my fault.

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Jesus Fricking Christ that's the worst case of domestic violence I've ever heard of. And I watched like 10 episodes of Fashion King for a woman. :marseyindignantgook:

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Like I said, I could tell he really wanted it. By the end.

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Is it? Because my gf's told me that after we finish Gossip Girl we're going have to go through this as well. Should I be concerned?

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Try to divert her into Korean romcoms instead. You might not die by suicide that way and she'll be even happier.

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Yes, GG is so much worse than GG. At least GG is about a bunch of coked up, overprivileged teenagers and the music for the show is good, but GG is just a snoozefest :marseysleep:

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I watched every season of Dance Moms.

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I would be so full of rage if I had to watch that b-word for more than 5 minutes. I've worked with enough people like that irl, I don't need to see them on tv.

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I love her so much I'd do it again

:#marseysunflower:

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I'm a dude and I enjoyed watching it although it was def my mother and sisters putting it on :marseyshrug:


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It has its moments but there's way too much quirky white woman prattle for me to take.

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Quirky white woman prattle is my USP! :!marseyindignantwoman:

I guess this isn't going to work out unless I can learn to yammer at you in Filipino because you're into that for some reason.

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First I love Tagalog.

Second I'm probably just not over my really hot ex because I need a very normal down to Earth girl who doesn't know how beautiful she is to accidentally trip over something and fall on top of me so our lips meet. We will interpret this as "omg we kissed we must be in love" not "her lip hit my face while we were falling and now we're going to get lots of domestic violence jokes".

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Quirky white women prattle was less annoying when this aired, and so was the prattle itself


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Quirky Korean woman prattle is better?

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Unironically YES. The writing is way better. And the language is just more pleasant to the ears. I'd say the same about French, Farsi, Tagalog, Japanese.

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You said a whole bunch there but only denied being a gay man through subtle implication. :marseynooticeglow:

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I'm not a gay man, but now I re-read that I see that it could have been written by a gay man. TBQH I forgot that gay dudes also have boyfriends. :marseyclueless: (or some of them do, I hear. The gays I know seem to have an endless parade of grindr peepees more than bfs)

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how old are you now and are you single


Follower of Christ :marseyandjesus: Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.

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Mid 30s and in what the kids are calling a situationship

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Tfw kids need to rename "it's complicated". :#marseyunamused:

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Mrw I hear a zoomer say 'situationship'

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Jimie has to be closing in on 40.

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Oh. Frick.

:#marseycuriouslook:

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Hey @Aevann how do I mark this as an effortpost? I wrote a thousand words about something none of you care about, so this is at least @sneedman tier effortposting.

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I gotchu fam

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:marseydisagree:

Not even close to sneedman level

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It has too many words, and pictures of pretty white women, so I don't know what more you can ask for.

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Not enough words and not enough pictures

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:marseyhesright:

Yeah you're right about everything. Rory's a twit in a way that might be forgivable in a 21 year old, but is just pathetic in a 32 year old. Same with Logan.

I also got the distinct sense she wanted Rory and Lorelei to be pregnant at the same time, hence the weird fertility arc, but only backed off it because Lorelei pregnant at 50 was too much even for her to make cute.

It's a shame because her arcs actually would have made for a good season 7. But she just shot herself in the foot by failing to accept that ship had sailed.

Fast forwarding to Rory navigating life a as a single mom (having had the baby offscreen years ago), and Lorelei having to deal with being viewed as the meddling grandma (the same way she viewed her own mum)…that would have been much more interesting. Lorelei and Emily bonding over being frustrated by Rory's shitty mom choices writes itself and could have been very funny and endearing.

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Yeah you're right about everything.

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. :marseyembrace:

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Fast forwarding to Rory navigating life a as a single mom (having had the baby offscreen years ago), and Lorelei having to deal with being viewed as the meddling grandma (the same way she viewed her own mum)…that would have been much more interesting. Lorelei and Emily bonding over being frustrated by Rory's shitty mom choices writes itself and could have been very funny and endearing.

These are all good ideas and I would totally have rather watched that! Paris and Doyle could have been interesting, too, instead of just stupid comic relief. And there's no way Paris is still hung up over Tristan.

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>And there's no way Paris is still hung up over Tristan.

Excuse you - he's Chad Michael FRICKING Murray dreamboat.

Though I HATED that they broke up Doyle and Paris in the remake. They were well matched and while I enjoyed that she was a boss b-word, I wish we had had an interlude where Lorelai watches dumbstruck as she dotes on and loves her kids in an emotionally healthy way, just to return to boss b-word as soon as they leave the room. Her being the mother that her Nanny was would have been :marseychefkiss:

Also I 100% agree with Rory being pathetic at age 32. B-word has a trust fund and though Journo's suck, it would have been nice for her to not entirely prove Logan's dad right that she just didn't have what it takes. Definitely seems like the 'you end up as your mother' intention was spot on, but how depressing that the naive and sheltered, but driven and ambitious Rory from the end of season 7 becomes an aimless mistress. Weird that her go to character trait was being a homewrecker to both Dean AND (almost) Logan.

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I always wanted to watch GG, cause the episodes I saw looked fun, but never had a friend who was interested in watching it with me :marseysad:

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We could do an rdrama (re)watch! :taycelebrate: I love the original series and would happily rewatch it, but I won't watch AYITL again unless somebody makes me.

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Or we could watch something that's actually good, like My Girlfriend is a Gumiho. :marseysmughipskorean:

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@Grue I fricking h8 u rn bro. Now look what you've done.

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I always thought the mom character was kind of hot, but my wife loves that show, so I bet she never even gets naked. :marseyeyeroll:

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I bet she never even gets naked

It aired on the WB in the early 2000s, nobody gets naked.

Closest you'll get is this scene (lovingly excerpted for youtube "Your bobs are bigger than mine" by :marseytunaktunak: )

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Is this how the show always is? She's talking to her daughter like they're in high school together.

They're like Becky and Darlene in Roseanne.

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That scene is kind of subpar and not representative of why I love this show, but yes, the premise is that Lorelai was 16 when she had Rory and she's best friends with her daughter. If you just want to watch one episode to see if you like it, I think I'd suggest Concert Interruptus from the first season, which is a cute episode overall, it shows Rory trying to make friends with normal girls and Lorelai forced to act like a real mom for once.

It also features this amazing woman:

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Yes. Apparently that's supposed to be so quirky and endearing that foids will watch this shit for years and never get bored.

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We all just want to feel loved and seen by our fake TV mom :marseycry: and I'll thank you to get off my peepee about it.

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This is awful writing

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the daughter is pretty cute

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:#stabler:

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What lol shes gotta be in her 20s

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She's 16! (or maybe 15 - the continuity is janky in season 1)

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My sister owns the entire series on DVD and would watch it on repeat in the same room that our computer was in. I know way more about this show than I should. Also I hate that the character names Lucas goes by Luke.

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I hate that the character names Lucas goes by Luke.

What a super specific thing to hate! /r/gilmoregirls would love you for this!

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I'm not sure how much they need the input of someone who knows a lot about the show despite generally not enjoying it.

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Honestly, that's like more than half the posters. It's full of people who've watched it way too many times and analyzed all the joy out of it so they have nothing left except picking apart tiny details like your Lucas/Luke thing.

For example, loads of people specifically hate the way the girls pretend to eat at Luke's diner. For the sake of continuity between takes, the actresses can never really take bites out of anything, so they only take tiny nibbles or pretend to eat one fry, and then leave behind huge amounts of "wasted" food when Rory has to run off quick to go be bored by Dean. So many people really hate this detail and will point it out repeatedly or make screenshots of them fake-eating.

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Is this different than girls and gossip girls

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Yes. Girls is like a microgeneration later (I was in high school when Gilmore Girls ended, but Girls was like my early-mid 20s) and a totally different tone.

Gilmore Girls is a cozy mother-daughter dramady set in a small town; Girls is a dark comedy about weird sad girls being pathetic in New York City. I never got into Gossip Girl but IMDB says it started in 2007 right around when Gilmore Girls was ending. I think it's a straight drama about hot people having s*x and backstabbing each other, maybe more similar to like The OC than it is to either Gilmore Girls or Girls.

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What does it mean if my gf prefers girls

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Depends. Does she laugh at Hannah or find her relatable?

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:lg#bt:

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No

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Ty for the effort post, I enjoyed reading it

Had to watch some of GG as a research assistant in college and I was surprised by how kind of sad and resigned the show was, this fills in some of the gaps. I had to watch a few episodes from something like 100 different shows and it was one of the better ones.

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That's really interesting! I don't think of it as sad or resigned at all, but there's a lot of nostalgia wrapped up in it for me, so it's like a cozy comfort watch show and when I was younger I always thought Rory was #goals.

What about it struck you as sad?

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lazily retconning certain characters to be gay

Who? :marseygossipsmug:Is it Kirk? He always set off my gaydar

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Michel (which, fair) but also Taylor iirc

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I thought Michel was always supposed to be gay. Although perhaps the intention was that he was just French...

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Sadly for those of us connoisseurs of French women, there's way too many straight French men. :marseytabletired2:

Actually now that I think about it, this is part of why I related to Past Lives so much. The anxiety that you'll lose your girl because you only know her language from playing X-Com, Civilization, and Dune. And in an ordinary conversation you don't talk about plasma rifles, railroads, and sandworms that much.

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Cope and seethe, that was easily the best season of gilmon girls, and here is the proof:

There's a bunch of other minor shit that sucks in AYITL: fat-shaming

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Jess was so hot

Rory deserved someone as obnoxious as Logan though

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Oh my god, tween-me was so into Jess! Now, I find his teenage character insufferable, but I still quite like his later season glow-up working for an indie press in Philly.

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Oh yeah, same here. I grew out of teenage Jess and right into adult, well-adjusted Jess :marseyhearts:

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I've wondered if it was worth it to watch. Forget what network it's on. I know this is one of the shows from the 2000s everyone was into but I never watched. I tried rewatching Party of Five because I always wanted to get into it back in the day but never did. I wound up ditching cuz the main storyline was too sad and whiny. I got into OC and House. Those were my 2000s cheesy shows. I did get into the 90210 reboot and Vampire Diaries but they were 2009 IIRC so not sure they count.


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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If you want something from that era that's made for women but actually good you gotta go with a k-drama like Boys Over Flowers.

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Interesting. I'll have to check it out. I've never heard of that show.

I was heavily into Melrose Place and tried rewatching it way back when Netflix had it on and wondered how tf I liked that show. lol


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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ive never watched gilmore girls but i know on the soundtrack they have a good song by pavement

learned this bc long time ago i was in highschool looking the song up online and it linked me to a gilmore girls fan page

anyways, its this

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It's true! I didn't mention it because it's not directly relevant to the shittiness of AYITL, but ASP has really good taste in music and there's all kinds of interesting stuff on the Gilmore Girls soundtrack. Rory's best friend, Lane, is a massive hipster music snob and basically a mouthpiece for ASP to name-drop bands she likes.

One of the minor recurring internet dramas that I personally enjoy the most (and that I might write about here someday) is that GenZ !swifties keep trying to claim Rory Gilmore as "Taylor coded", they make these shitty mashups with Logan and Champaign Problems, and try to say that Rory and Lorelai would be huge Tay fans today. Except Rory is canonically a millennial hipster chick who hates pop music (the show was written by a Gen X woman before poptimism and Taylor brutally murdered all who opposed her and salted their lands for the next ten generations). Anyway, Rory's fave musician is PJ Harvey and she would have hated Taylor Swift, but swiftie zoomers will never accept that even a fictional character could disrespect their queen, and so massive stupid fights happen on /r/gilmoregirls and tiktok between women the same age as Rory who actually know what teenage girls from that era listened to, and zoomers determined that every. single. thing. they like must be secretly Tay-coded.

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Yeah, I remember it because pavement was like a niche hipster indie band that was pretty big in the beginning of that scene, but relatively obscure to normal folks. And so it surprised me that it popped up on a gilmore girls thing.

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Some people are able to display their intelligence by going on at length on a subject and never actually saying anything. This ability is most common in trades such as politics, public relations, and law. You have impressed me by being able to best them all, while still coming off as an absolute idiot.

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ASP is notoriously bad at delivering endings that the fans want - even thought I loved every season of Mrs Maisel (s5 especially), for example, it made the fans very annoyed. I am board with any creator that contemptuous of their followers

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i only very recently learned that gilmore girls :marseyblops2chadcel2: and golden :marseyrich: girls :marseyblops2chadcel: are not the same thing

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Sorry but I thought the father of Rory's baby was the guy in the Chewbacca costume.

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Deep lore! :marseynerd3:

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It sucked because its meant for women

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>gilmore girls

RIP Betty White :marseycry:

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Not reading this because spoilers, but while I'm here I'll say watch Bunheads! Same creator. It was good and canceled to soon :marseysulk:

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