EFFORTPOST When Fat yanks :marseyburger: :marseyscooter: chads turbo cucked Bongoloid :marseybongcop: :carpbritish: History-virgins with Submarine War Movie, because Burgers refuse to watch Hollyweird movieslop where yanks are not the ones saving the day :marseysaluteusa: - :marseysubmarine: :marseysubmarine: :marseysubmarine: :marseysubmarine:


								

								

I've been binge watching Submarine movies the past week, and watched one movie which was one of my father's favorite, but I've forgotten :marseygrilling2: :marseydoubtit: what it was since I was 13 or 14 long ago.

It's called U-571, and released in 2000, way back when Hollyweird under Harvey Weinstein's Molesting :marseycreepy: :marseypedobear: leadership still released spectacular action thrillers, with interesting premises and plots. Our action warmovie of the day involves one Kraut U-boat which manages to get wounded by a destroyer, and while the Germans manage to survive and escape, their Diesel engines got damaged by the depth-charges, and all their mechanics/engineers got :marseynecklace: :marseynecklace: :marseynecklace: burned alive. While most of the crew remained alive, without engineers, the krauts were basically stranded in the middle of the Atlantic, so the captain decides to break protocol and break radio silence and phone home :marseygossip: :marseygossip: :marseygossip: for aid and for another Supply sub to come and repair them.

The movie follows the yanks intercepting the unguarded message and inferring the sub damaged, and making a hasty Special Operation to come and capture this wounded sub, with a hastily disguised Yank sub jury-rigged to look like a kraut on at first glance, so they can come close enough to board the German sub, and capture the all important artefact of the Enigma code-encryption machine!

Very cool plot


HISTORICALLY INACCURATE:

Like many (most) of yank movies released in the 1980s-2000 period, the yanks positively did not give a frick as to whom they would offend lol, the coked up executives of Hollyweird were pretty ideologically neutral from my experience, and had one usually priority, to make money, and in their brain addled minds, no movie could succeed in Burgerland :marseyscooter: :marseyburger: :marseymutt: unless yankoids were the main protagonist heroes of the movie.

So basically the big sneed is that the Historical inaccuracy is that Yanks, according to the Bongs, completely erased the lionshare of the contribution the Bongs made to the actual real life events in which the Bongs had captured the most out of a total of 15 Enigma code-encryption machines, and more significantly the accompanied undamaged codebooks throughout the war. In fact out of the total 15 Enigma machines captured, two had been by Canadian ships, and only one by a yank ship, out of the total 15 for the duration of the war, and the yank capturing was of one of the least significant. (Doesn't even include the influence the Polacks had)

So you can see if you are neurodivergent enough to care about History, then this movie stretched the actual yank contribution to the Enigma code-breaking efforts like a slinky down the stairs. :marseysmug6: :marseysmug6: :marseysmug6:

The hilarious part of these types of Hollyweird movies, changing events to cater to dumbass yank audiences, was that they had not intended that they were deliberate propaganda-pieces for the sake of presenting yanks as the all saviours of mankind, but that the coked-up Hollyweird executives were really just that r-slurred and were chasing what they believed was the winning formula for making the most amount of money! :marseycapitalistmanlet: :marseycapitalistmanlet: :marseycapitalistmanlet: :moneypile: :moneypile: :moneypile:

https://screenrant.com/war-movies-experts-criticized-military-mistakes/

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"U-571has been criticized by war experts and even former Prime Minister Tony Blair called the film an "affront" to the British sailors who were really responsible for the seizure of the machine (via BBC). Despite this, the film earned an Academy Award nomination for Best Sound Mixing and Best Sound Editing and is still a tense and clever movie with some fantastic cinematography."

"U-571 was directed by Jonathan Mostow and told the story of a World War II German submarine boarded by American submariners to capture her Enigma cipher machine. Though U-571 doesn't represent real events, it was called out :marseysoypoint: :marseysoypoint: :marseysoypoint: for its many historical and technical inaccuracies. From the latter category, military experts have pointed out that Kriegsmarine destroyers rarely ventured out into the open Atlantic Ocean (German Destroyers, by Gordon Williamson) and the website Uboat shared various inaccuracies related to U-boats, though Sub Lt. David Balme, who led the boarding party on U-110, called U-571 a "great film" (via BBC News), but added that it wouldn't have been financially viable if it hadn't been "Americanised"."

That's right Bongcucks movies are not financially viable unless Americanised! :capyamerican: :carpburger: :carpscooter: :muttrun: :burger: :eaglebikiniflag: :eaglebikiniflag: :eaglebikiniflag:


BONGS SNEED: :marseyqueen: :marseybritbongitsover: :marseybritbongitsover: :marseybritbongitsover:

Bongs didn't see it this way though.

https://old.reddit.com/r/history/comments/1ycmux/most_historically_inaccurate_movies/

10 years ago brit redditors still sour about it

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Also even the Prime Bong would condemn the movie!

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https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/781858.stm

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The hit Hollywood film U-571 has been condemned by the prime minister for its rewriting of history.

Tony Blair said that the film - a huge success in the US and number four in the UK box office chart on its opening weekend - was an "affront" to British sailors.

The film portrays the capture of the Enigma coding machine from a Nazi submarine - an event which changed the course of World War II - as an American rather than British, operation.

It was described in the Commons as an "affront" to British sailors killed in the operation. Mr Blair said that he entirely agreed.

The Culture Secretary, Chris Smith, has already said he will raise the issue in Hollywood for inaccurately glossing over the real story. He described the film as a "little galling".

Speaking during Question Time on Wednesday, a Labour MP, Brian Jenkins, said the film, was an "affront to the memories of the British sailors who lost their lives on this action".

Mr Blair responded: "I agree entirely with what you say...we hope that people realise these are people that, in many cases sacrificed their lives in order that this country remained free."

According to U-571, it was the US Navy that recovered the code machine, but the device was really captured by the crew of HMS Bulldog.

They disabled and seized German submarine U-110 to retrieve the device.

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FICTIONAL:

At the end of U-571, prior to the credits, it is made clear that the movie is fictional but inspired by real events.

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[The end of the movie has a week blurb about some accrediting of of acknowledging Allied sailors like the Bongs, but it still makes the events of the movie appear that Yanks did the Lionshare of the capturing of the Enigma machines and the codebeaking, when the reality was reversed]

Critics have pointed out the film-makers could have made successful movie, which would have been just as enjoyable, by creating some new incident rather than distorting history.

A group of MPs, led by Chorley's Lindsay Hoyle, has already expressed "regret" about the film in a Commons' motion.

They noted: "(That British sailors) risked their lives to board the stricken submarine, facing the danger that it might sink at any time.

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"That members of the boarding party were decorated for their heroism in retrieving the encoding device and that King George VI described their actions as perhaps the most important single event in the war at sea.

"And regrets that Hollywood has chosen to distort the truth and detract from the valour of the British sailors concerned by appropriating the story for its own financial gain."

And Mr Smith has said: "I think one of the things we need to make clear to Hollywood is, yes you're in the entertainment business but people see your movies, they're going to come away thinking that's information not just entertainment.

"You've got to make it clear where the dividing lines between these things lie."

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What made the Bongs especially sneed :marseypotofsneed: :marseypotofsneed: :marseypotofsneed: :marseypotofsneed: :marseypotofsneed: was that the events of the movie seems to parrallel events in the capture of U-110, a British accomplishment, which was perhaps the most significant Enigma capture out of the 15 captured during the war,

and instead of creating a fictional event of yanks capturing an Enigma machine like an alternate universe event of a yank sub, this close resemblance of the real life capture of U-110 and its associated Enigma encryption-device really bussy-blasted the Brits.


MORE SNEED OF THE TIME:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/feb/25/u-571-reel-history

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"This 2000 film about a US submarine crew's attempt to steal an Enigma machine from a German U-boat was so inaccurate that it was darned by the UK parliament as an affront to the real sailors. And to make matters worse, it stars Jon Bon Jovi" :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd:

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https://www.deseret.com/2000/6/11/19512108/britons-say-u-571-distorts-history/

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====(from article)

There's just one problem. As depicted in the film "U-571," the sailors speak with American accents. :marseyeyeroll: :marseyeyeroll: :marseyeyeroll: :marseyeyeroll: And that has aggrieved many in Britain, whose sailors really did capture an Enigma in 1941-- before the United States even entered the war. Since the film opened in London last week, the controversy has filled newspaper columns and resounded in Parliament. Even Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Clinton have been drawn into the fray.

In the House of Commons on Wednesday, Blair said he "agreed entirely" with a lawmaker who denounced the film as an "affront to the memories of the British sailors who lost their lives on this action."

"We hope that people realize these are people that in many cases sacrificed their lives in order that this country remained free," Blair said. :carpeffigy: :carpeffigy: :carpeffigy:

In The Times newspaper, columnist Simon Jenkins decried "the deluge of historical hokum coming out of Hollywood."

The critics point to Steven Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan," which excised the role of British and Canadian troops on D-Day. And columnists already have derided a planned U.S. remake of "The Colditz Story" that would depict American POWs escaping from the notorious German prison camp. In fact, not a single American escaped from Colditz. [Lmoa Bongs were still sneeding from Saving Private Ryan :marseylaughpoundfist: :marseylaughpoundfist:]

But British moviegoers may be voting with their feet: "U-571" has not matched its boffo U.S. success in Britain.

"It has had a limited impact at the box office," said Emma Cochrane, editor of the film magazine Empire.

Universal defends the film as a fictionalized account of the Allied effort to break Nazi communications.

And, in fact, Americans were involved in one seizure of an Enigma machine, near war's end in 1944. But the events depicted in "U-571" most closely resemble those of the 1941 sub capture.

Britain's culture minister, Chris Smith called the film "a little galling" -- and urged American filmmakers to take a more responsible attitude toward history. :marseyjanny: :marseyjanny: :marseyjanny: :marseyjanny2: :marseyjanny2: :marseyjanny2:

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hollywood-heroism-under-fire/

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====(from CBSnews article)

But director Jonathan Mostow and writers Sam Montgomery and David Ayer deemed that American heroism was more likely to attract American audiences.

The heroic truth, the British say, has been torpedoed in the interest of profit. The rage has even surfaced in parliament.

In the House of Commons, the movie was called "an affront to the memories of the British sailors," a description that Prime Minister Tony Blair says is warranted. There was even a motion deploring the movie.

"If suddenly Iwo Jima was the British Royal Marines raising the flag after a fight with the Japanese, there would be an outcry," says Lindsay Hoyle, a member of Parliament.

But Balme is not bit bitter. :marseysurejan: :carpsurejan: :marseysurejian: Ironically, the controversy over a film about make-believe heroism has brought more attention to the real hero. The film honors his exploits - and he even visited the set.

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https://spyscape.com/article/us-code-wars-inside-americas-epic-battle-with-the-enigma

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=====(from spyscape)

The US Navy did capture the German submarine U-505 and two Enigma machines on June 4, 1944, though. So what's the fuss all about? SPYSCAPE took a deep dive into the drama behind the scenes.

The pivotal moment came on June 4, 1944, as Germany's U-505 sub cruised off West Africa on the prowl for American and Allied ships. U-505 was a familiar and fearful name but on this day, the dynamics shifted. The German predator found itself in the surprising role of the prey. Under fire by depth charges from destroyer escort Chatelain and two F4F 'Wildcat' aircraft, U-505 surfaced and surrendered.

It was a historic capture. It had been more than a century since any US naval force boarded and captured an enemy vessel at sea. The German crew of 58 were captured, eventually transferred to a PoW camp in Louisiana, and segregated.

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THE BRITISH WAR OF WORDS:

The premiere of the movie U-571 in 2000 brought the decades-old war story into the mainstream media: 'Hollywood's Worst Historical Errors', the Daily Mail sneered. 'U-571: You give historical films a bad name,' The Guardian claimed. Even the UK Parliament darned the movie as an affront to the real sailors.

The British media gleefully pointed out the movie's errors, among them that the Allies had several Enigma machines and rotors by 1940 and that HMS Bulldog captured the first naval Enigma decoder from U-110 in the North Atlantic in 1941.

Enigma was deciphered seven months before the US even entered WWII. The 'Yanks', Britain sniffed, seemed to base the movie's 'true story' on Britain's 1941 Operation Primrose involving HMS Bulldog and the triumph of recovering the codebooks. :marseysniff: :marseysniff: :marseysniff: :phil: :phil: :phil: :bidenuhoh: :bidenuhoh:

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Also suggest some good submarine movies from your list I have free time this week. I will start with U571 :marseysaluteusa:

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Flagship of Petoria

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Die Welle.

Edit: meant Der Untergang. U => U boat. Silly :marseyteehee: me.

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Yeah, despite its name Die Welle has a distinct lack of seamanship or torpedoes

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SHHHHHH.

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It's a good movie though.

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