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!bookworms !kino !ringbearers check this amazing show
OMG! Elrond is just like !
AND THEY HAVE GANDALF AND RADAGAST OR IS IT TOM BOMBADIL?
SO #EXCITED TO SEE WHAT GIRLBOSS GALADRIEL WILL DO!
Looks incredible, but looks weren't the first season's problem
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Oooh lawd dem rangz of powah!
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But also
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Poor turbosperg can't understand ulterior motives or innuendos. L
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He should watch Amphibia and Star Vs instead.
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!bookworms and !kino whoever has watched this shitfest and read silmarillion (and B&L, Children of Hurin, Gondolin and Unfinished tales) too, how close is the series to the actual books? If I discard all the color swapping and shitty dialogues? Because if they just made shit up, there is no point in watching fan fiction
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There are elves, dwarves, and magical rings. There's an Island named Númenor and the bad guy is Sauron. That's all they have in common lol. !ringbearers
Show Galadriel has nothing to do with Tolkien's Galadriel, Sauron never assumed this "Halbrand" persona, Ar-Pharazorn is not Númenorean Trump, Gandalf and the Istari weren't present during the Second Age and the showrunners are condensing two events (the forging of the Rings and the Fall of Númenor) which are separated by like a thousand years within a span of just a few as if they were contemporary events.
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So basically they made Life of Brian after reading the Bible
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Life of Brian, but boring and David vs Goliath happens during the time of Jesus.
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Some of it I don't mind; the compression of the timeline is clearly because they want to extract all the good bits and highlights for the show. So if they want the Drowning of Numenor, which should be spectacular if they can pull it off properly, then it has to be set in the time of Miriel and Ar-Pharazon.
I don't even mind mixed-race Miriel because it's Numenor, we can explain that by 'we don't know what her mother's side of the family was like, they could be descendants of the loyal Easterlings'. That's plausible in a way that the black Elf and Dwarf are not.
The stupid shit is things like Galadriel and Halbrand romance, which turns out to be Galadriel and Sauron romance. The mangling of Celebrimbor's character - I have no idea if the actor is any good, because he's had about ten lines in the entire season and all he does is stand around in the background not knowing basic metallurgy.
Now it looks like they're going for "The Three Rings were evil all along [they weren't], Elrond was against using them [he wasn't] and he's calling for their destruction [again, no; the Elves became aware of Sauron when he put on the One Ring and they took off and hid the three rings]". That's not the canonical story, but of course our genius showrunners need to make the story exciting by building tension, and you do that by division and conflict, so it's going to be Elrond versus Galadriel (and maybe Gil-galad).
And of course they have to drag Tom Bombadil into it to encourage I Can't Believe It's Not Gandalf to get involved in the plight of Middle-earth, even though in LOTR it's established that they don't entrust Tom with the One Ring because he doesn't concern himself with outside matters and would just forget it or lose it. That's how little he cares about "the wider picture".
This is going to be so dumb and stupid. I can hardly wait!
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I need weekly reviews from you when this show comes out. Exactly the type of content I'm looking for.
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If we're talking canonical depictions of the characters and main plot? About as close as the Statue of LIberty is to the Moon.
The really annoying thing if you're a lore nerd, is that somebody is familiar with the texts, because they throw in all these tiny little blink-and-you'll-miss-them details that refer directly back to the texts. For example, the Bough of Return on the Númenorean ships. Or when Girlboss Glads breaks into the tower where the old king is living, she's walking past all these historical artefacts on display and one of them - if you're a lore nerd - will have you going "That has got to be Dramborleg!"
So the mucking up of the story isn't down to simple ignorance, it's because Payne and McKay really do think they can write a better story than Tolkien, one for "modern audiences", because they've been Hollywood scriptwriters for years and know how stories work. Except that they never got any of their scripts made, and only have credits on one Star Trek movie, so really they're just guns-for-hire script doctors brought in to patch up scripts better writers wrote. Given their own show, they are stuck in the movie mindset where you have to have one Big Splashy Event like a battle or an exploding volcano and that's why there is no continuity from episode to episode, and why the characters are inconsistent - it's all down to what the script needs them to say or do for this episode and if that contradicts something they said or did in another episode, so what? They have no sense of pacing - all the time wasted faffing about on Numenor, for example, or the stupid Elf-Human romance which went nowhere (and is going nowhere as the actress left before the second season).
It's not all terrible, but the show as a whole is poor quality because of these basic mistakes.
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Thanks I don't know who these two are, but that's all I needed to know to give the show 1 star on IMDB, Google and RT.
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No idea. Years ago, I got 100 pages into Salmonarion and almost died from boredom, so I don't think it really matters. They hired shit actors, used too much CGI, and nailed the boring dialogue, so maybe it's pretty close to the books.
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Not even remotely close to the plot.
The problem is that "The Silmarillion" is not a novel, many people get disappointed with it after reading LOTR because they expect something similar. It's a mythology book, kind of like a fake Bible or like the Finnish Kalevala and the Icelandic Sagas.
!bookworms that's why you should always do some research before picking up a book for reading, like knowing what it is.
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my favorite story is the origin of the dwarves
the god of productiveness is mega neurodivergent and proceeds to create clay humanoids before Alluvitar's master plan to create elves and humans, because he's a god of productiveness and smithing and shit
But Smith god isn't like Alluvitar and cant create true life, so the clay figurines he creates are more like automatons, and can only be compelled to do productive shit like robots, whenever Smith god turns his gaze to other projects, the clay figures stand immobile like cars turned off, they are not truly sentient creatures with choices
Eventually Alluvitar finds out, and Smith God is immensely remorseful, and begs Alluvitar for forgiveness, saying that his productive autism is how Alluvitar mad him in turn, but that he would destroy the clay figures if that would earn Alluvitars remorse
As he raised his magical hammer to destroy the clay dwarves, Alluvitar stopped him, for Alluvitar was full of compassion, and he said: "Smith God, stop, look how the humanoids cower in fear beneath them"
"Thy offer I accepted even as it was made" Alluvitar gave the figures life and sentience even as Smith God begged forgivenes - but the dwarves had to sleep beneath the mountains until the elves and humans were created as the master plan devised.
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When you look in the mirror, can you tell that you're stupid?
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Wow, that's pretty mean even for you lpb
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The first part of that story is similar to how Dwarves were created in World of Warcraft.
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I liked Silmarillion and agree with your take on it, and it is definitely on the tedious side if you're not looking to understand middle-earth stuff on the nerdiest possible level. I don't think I probably would have read it if Tolkien had written any actual novels about the first and second ages, but as it is, it's about the only source he left for understanding half the shit in lord of the rings like why the elves live forever and what the frick Gandalf is and a million other pressing questions that lotr doesn't really spill the beans on.
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I like The Silmarillion because I love mythology. Tolkien was a huge mythology/worldbuilding and lore neurodivergent, he started with the Silmarillon long before writing The Hobbit and LOTR, it was his true passion.
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Oh yah. I remember looking around on the internet about that book after reading some of it on an airplane. I had to recheck the cover to see if Tolkien actually wrote it.
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No, not really. "The Silmarillion" was a fix-up by Christopher Tolkien and Guy Gavriel Kay of the papers JRR Tolkien left behind, since he had always wanted to publish it but couldn't make it happen. He was working on it and reworking it for decades so there were variant versions, and Christopher picked the ones they thought could be linked together most consistently.
But when the showrunners try to write "epic" language and dialogue, they fall flat, because they're not steeped in the language and mindset of the ancient sagas as JRRT was, so they give us silly lines like "boats float and stone sink because boats look up and stones look down" or "drop the quail sauce, give me the meat and give it to me raw" (and that's because they're basing their Dwarves off the comedic version of the Dwarves in the Jackson movies). The boring dialogue is all their own original work.
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I too butcher the title like a middle scholer trying to pronounce the name of any greek historian.
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Zoomer elves are twink !kino
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Did my Welsh queen get work done? Her face looks puffy.
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They probably told her she needed softer features
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But isn't she meant to look elfy and pointy?
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Doesn't look bogged. She probably had a kid
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what the frick did they do to Elrond
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Celebrimbor looks so busted. This is what an immortal and ageless being is supposed to look like
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looks like discount Matt Smith
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Matt Smith is an unconventionally handsome man, he manages to have presence and gravitas on screen, post-wall foids can hardly ever pull that out while is a common thing for middle-aged moids. The other guy just looks old and frail.
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Ironically looked cooler in those ridiculous shadow games
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This is the character who got done the dirty the worst. He's supposed to be younger than Galadriel, not old enough to be her grand father. He's the one supposed to be such great buddies with the Khazad-dum Dwarves, but they gave that to Elrond and Durin. He's supposed to be the greatest smith remaining in Middle-earth, and the show had him needing to be taught about alloys by some scruffy half-dead Mortal.
I really feel sorry for the actor, imagine being told "This part is going to be really big and important, he's the guy who made the magic rings after all" and then you get shoved into a dressing gown that your granny would wear and told just stand around and look useless for eight episodes.
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Ringshit was never a thing for me, so I don't know nerd-depth lore or whether they're raping it. For this one, I get to be a normie.
It looks mid. Great visuals, but really bloated. The trailer has like 3x as many characters as it ought to and that makes me not care about any of them. Elrond has a face that should make incels feel good about themselves. The black dwarf chick is in the uncanny valley because she looks like she was made on a PC for a PS3 game.
But it's got all of the stuff we all want, like orcs and elves and ents and fireballs flying through the air, so that's pretty cool. I look forward to people posting lore complants all season.
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The problem with season 1 wasn't the "lore deviations" (which there are a ton lmao), the show was just bad
!kino check the second vid
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Is the second vid from S2? I've seen the first one while watching up to four or so episodes of the first season. It was so r-slurred, even without the idpol DEI nonsense.
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No, it's from S1. She trains the Númenórean young soldiers.
The Númenóreans were supposed to be a race of 7ft-8ft tall superhumans but the elvish girlboss has to have a badass moment kicking their asses.
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Ah, again the shitty acting really killed the show for me. It's like they get lazy because they overfilled their minority quota.
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Even worse when you think about it. At the height of their power, they represented a force strong enough that the Valar (the powers that ran the world for you non-Tolkien readers) felt scared enough that they gave up their guardianship of the world back to GOD in order for him to deal with it. But you know, girlboss elf is more important.
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Oh, I know lol
I only watched half an hour of the first episode before I bailed out
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It does look good, but part of the problem is that the trailers show great looking scenes so you expect this will be really important, then in the show we get to see them for about thirty seconds before they start in on more tedious "gimme a boat/no/okay I'm going home/we won't let you/okay now you can have a boat/no I don't wanna go I wanna stay now" shit.
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This is very upsetting
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Join the ! ringbearers Mithrandir, it would be wise
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The only line of Tom Bombadil in this is: "Gandalf man, DO SOMETHING!!!" (2:17)
Bombadil morally shaming someone for not taking up arms...
Also the only kino actor in S1 was Adar and now he just looks weird
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The actor left and they replaced him, It's so over lmao
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First actor who played Adar left at the end of season one (for undisclosed reasons but we all know because he knew this was shit). He really was the best in the show.
New guy has been cast, so now the character looks different. It's tough on the new guy, especially as he'll probably be given rubbish dialogue and unless he's a fantastic actor, it won't work.
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That trailer seemed like a summary of the whole season lol
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Season 1 trailer was better:
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Yooooi. That was lerchy af. Gonna give a vissy to this tep and see what the chach is about.
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Well, this is every bit as stupid as I expected. Oh, Jackson had the Ents? We're going one better, we have the Entwives!"
I know I'm going to enjoy this for the spite watching and the reviews ripping the piss out of it, because they went there, they did that, and it's nobody's fault but their own.
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You honestly think you're just going to walk away from this? You all are in deep shit now. You think they care about "free speech"? THINK AGAIN. The law is theirs to bend, and they'll stop at nothing. Think they'll buy "it was just a prank, bro?" Think they'll stop going after you because the judge didn't believe it? You thought WRONG, BUCKO. Never underestimate the ability of the feds to try and drum out obstruction/tampering charges. They know this case is high profile and they're going to send out a message to make sure this kind of online behavior never happens again. Even if they can't put in prison, they'll use all their private connections and assets to make your life a living heck. In fact, you're already in the fire pit. They have all the evidence they need. You're living in the illusion of safety, hiding behind all the supposedly locked doors and masks of anonymity. The paper trail points right to you, and they hold all the keys. They have unlimited resources, and they will use them at the drop of a hat. It's over. Finished. Finito. There's nothing you can do now. I would start praying to Yahweh if I were you. Because God only knows what awaits you...
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