:marseydisney: What's your favorite type of droid? :marseystarwars:

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Announcing !gonks for discussion of Star Wars movies and extended universe including the books, shows, and games. Please join us if you're a fan. :marseydisney:

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Finally a chad wars ping group! :marseyembrace:

I like the droid that tortures gonk droids :troll2:

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It's honestly kinda crazy to me one hadn't been made before. I guess the chud demographic had a falling out with nu-SW and that's why? It's the perfect IP to discuss here, though, since it's not wildly different between the original material and extended universe (Lord of the Rings, GoT, etc.) and doesn't have a high barrier to entry to understand what they heck people are referring to as can be the case with !trekkies knowing and obsessing over every little detail. :marseyautismdisconcerting:

I refuse to join the LotR ping because I know perfectly well it's going to be 99% discussion of the movies/tv and even when people are talking about the books the well has been poisoned permanently because everyone imagines the universe in terms of the mediocre Peter Jackson films. Adaptations are universally bad even when they're entertaining for this reason. People here were discussing having an internal narrative earlier, and I think technology has limited that function in otherwise intelligent people by forcing images into our brain.

...ANYWAY JOIN !GONKS TO DISCUSS STAR WARS. :marseydisney:

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There just isn't actually that much to say about Star Wars. That's why most of the current discussion about it is bitching about the Disney stuff. The amount of good content is like 3-6 movies, and a few novels and games. And they're generally good in a basic, libidinal way (cool fight scenes, great music, nostalgic mood, fun designs).

When I think of Star Wars, what I really remember is whacking other kids with plastic lightsabers, dressing up as Darth Vader for Halloween with the voice changing helmet, neurodivergentally trying to explain the combat system of the GBA ROTS game to my incredibly uninterested parents, pretending those big folding paper clip thingies were Republic gunships, forgetting my Darth Vader action figure at Applebee's, getting freaked out by the brain parasites and duraslugs from the AOTC visual dictionary, making my own shitty comic called "Star Wars: Dark Times" which included my first attempt at drawing an adult woman, my friend pausing the old Battlefront II to look at Aayla Secura's low-poly tits, etc.

Star Wars was child lore. It was this special playspace that young boys spent hours and hours and hours in. To the extent that the movies are special, it's because they connected with kids in that way. That takes skill, and it's almost impossible to replicate (God knows Disney can't). But our connection also fades as we grow older. We can reminisce, but we can't truly reenter the playspace.

In a few more years, 23 year olds will be making 3 hour video essays about why Roblox was so special to them growing up. And it really was special. But you won't be watching the video. Really, there's nothing to say. Either you were there, or you weren't.

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neurodivergentally trying to explain to my incredibly uninterested parents

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Really, there's nothing to say.

Well first of all you typed out a few paragraphs worth of things to say :marseysmughips: and there is a large extended universe with varying levels of quality, and more continues to be released. :marseyshrug: I don't find it any less worthwhile to engage with than the LOTR/GOT universe content that's making its way to the front page here every week. As you pointed out, many of us have fond childhood memories from the franchise and the original trilogy in particular have permanently shaped how sci-fi (space opera, whatever) movies are made. Whenever that Harry Potter TV show is released I will similarly give it a spin because of how much I loved the series growing up.

Also, at least for me, I haven't played a video game in 15 years, don't watch new anime, (and those hobbies are ABSOLUTELY just as "childish" as Star Wars !gonks) I don't care about discussing the 24/7 political newsreel or most of the niche internet topics that get brought up here. Childhood IPs are one of the points of commonality I can find with you all. The last time I planned to leave around ten people messaged me saying I should stay and offer my thoughts and contributions as the Christian/Catholic :autism: voice here, and I have a hard time getting religious discussion going most days. I'm not sure what else you need in terms of justification for a ping group.

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I wasn't really trying to talk shit. I guess I was trying to explore the question about why there were Trek and LOTR ping groups first, when it's almost certain that more dramatards know (and love?) Star Wars.

There is good Star Wars media out there, I'm not saying it's just slop for children. But I do think what makes the franchise truly special is this childhood je ne sais quoi that we can't return to after a certain point, like entering Narnia.

Like, MUCH more of my life was spent loving Star Wars than Star Trek. And I still care enough about Star Wars to participate in discussions about it sometimes. But while I'm in the Trek ping group, I'm mostly okay with letting Star Wars be a beloved childhood memory. I was trying to think why that would be, and I realized there was this extreme dichotomy between how much time I spent watching Star Wars and how much I spent playing Star Wars. I was going for bittersweet nostalgiastraggery. That was a great time which I can reminisce about, but not return to.

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There was a pretty soy video i saw who was talking about how Star Wars was like that for most millennials and genz, a majority of the experience was gaming.

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Growing up I was extremely invested in the Star Wars EU. I remember when these came out in 1999 and my friend at school showed me his and I forced my parents to run out and buy them too. :marseyboomer: There's the Jedi Academy series for children which I was into in early elementary school, and from there it's an easy transition towards material like the X-Wing novels or New Jedi Order, with the Thrawn trilogy generally being held as the best there was to offer (I haven't read them in decades but I suspect I'd still enjoy). I hear what you're saying, and don't disagree, but I would say that the fall of Star Wars has much more to do with children running around with smart phones and 21st century gaming platforms frying their little brains :marseycrayoneater: and generating a weak attention span before they have much of a chance to get into the material we'd hold as "nostalgic".

My dad had grown up on sword and sorcery/sword and planet classics and introduced those to me, as well, despite my childhood passion :marseyautism: being for other IPs. The commonality here that enabled us to share in our parents' old hobbies was being !bookworms, and for those who still invest the time and energy into rearing their children there will still always be a level of demand for Star Wars that no amount of bad Disney material can fully extinguish. There are still zoomers and alphas reading Enders Game etc, as well. We're just seeing a decline in the type of culture that produces these intellectual properties in the first place.

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do you remember the dice based CYOA??

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Hmm tell me what the name was and I might but it's not ringing any bells. We did have Star Wars Monopoly though. :marseyexcited: I wonder if it's still in my parent's basement because I shudder to think how expensive picking up a new set might be these days.

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its more socially acceptable to hate on gonk, any recovered !gonks fan has a healthy amount of self loathing

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We have more than enough guys here for a ping group :shmoopy: :threesome:

He has a good point though. Star Wars is increasingly gonna be a thing of certain generations because it just hasn't achieved mass appeal with children since when Clone Wars was still on Cartoon Network. Plenty of kids saw the sequels but it didn't really leave an impact on them. MCU movies stole most of that lol and even that cultural influence mostly ended with Endgame.

Star Wars is increasingly going to become an old man thing but, eh, all things have their time in the sun.

Funny that Disney would be the company to forget how to attract children.

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Yeah

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!doomers Golden aware!

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neurodivergentally trying to explain the combat system of the GBA ROTS game to my incredibly uninterested parents

Somewhere out there is an audio cassette where I'm so young I still sound like a baby and I'm explaining the different classes of ships from the Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual. I will kill people to get that tape and destroy it.

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That degree finally paying off

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!trekkies are a stronger force :marseysmughipskorean:

(I like Star Wars too though)

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The first movie really is a classic and there's so many games they made in the '90s that were fricking amazing. TIE Fighter, KOTOR, KOTOR 2...

I mean heck you can have a really weird sexual relationship with a character voiced by Kelly Hu. If that doesn't do it for you, I don't know what will. :marseyshrug:

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I really oughta thank Disney because I used to be obsessed with this stuff before they snapped me out of it lol. Now I realize that trying to follow everything canon is a waste of time and all the old media I like is still there

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a high barrier to entry to understand what they heck people are referring to as can be the case with !trekkies

I knew that you can't use the transporters with the shields up when I was 4 years old. Come on, it's not that hard. :marseysmughipskorean:

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