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are you an aspiring writer? :marseychudnotes: feeling unmotivated and need to laugh? :marseyyawn: try r/fantasywriters

https://old.reddit.com/r/fantasywriters

								

								

normally i wouldn't tell people to give up on their dreams but come the frick on πŸ’€πŸ’€

in typical reddit fashion, everything is so so bad. :marseyxd: the advice, the depressed writers looking for people to validate their awful ideas. i distinctly remember one poster who wanted to know if people wanted to read about dinosaur bones. :marseydinosaur: that's it. no mention of characters, no worldbuilding, no paleontologist murder mystery set in the heart of the african jungle. if you can't convince yourself, why should we care? :marseyshrug: here's a quote from Adaptation (2002):

People are murdered every day. There's genocide, war, corruption. Every fricking day somewhere in the world somebody sacrifices his life to save somebody else. Every fricking day someone somewhere takes a conscious decision to destroy someone else. People find love, people lose it. For Christ's sake a child watches her mother beaten to death on the steps of a church! Someone goes hungry, somebody else betrays his best friend for a woman. If you can't find that stuff in life, then you my friend don't know crap about life!

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If you want to improve at writing (or anything creative), I unironically suggest looking at terrible writing examples, having a laugh, and then identifying what went wrong

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Also even in bad works it's worth identifying what went right. I've found that it's best to use popular works that are considered trash by non-casuals of the genre. Usually there's something that's being done well.

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Stephanie Myers did an impressive job with Bella Swan, and I'm not saying that to be sarcastic. She truly embodies specific traits common among teenage girls and immature women-- enough to make her seem like a real person and impossibly relatable if you're a young teenage foid (:marseyemo: OMG HOW IS THIS SO ME????), but it's only just the right amount to her a blank slate for self inserting.

Many YA writers have tried and failed to make a wish fulfillment series with as much "connection" as twilight. They fall for things like "twilight is problematic, and THAT's why people hate it. THIS has a yas slay queen main character because women stronk" :marseybuff:

(lmao dumb most neighbor people hate twilight because teenage girls and annoying women love it)

Those attempts fall flat, not because twilight isn't a full of crappy lessons if you're a woman trying to be less pathetic, but you can't just drag this audience into a wish fulfillment they don't identify with, your main character has the audience attached to their leg with a chain, as if the audience was a 30 pound ball. Your character has to maneuver with the audience attached to them and carry them around by hand and really bring them into every moment-- u need to be continually accounting for their position. :marseysquint:

What makes Twilight good, is that Myers continually places you in the frame of reference of Bella's experiences in sometimes AN ACTUALLY TIGHT AF poetic way using sounds, smells, kinesthetic senses. Sometimes she misses and it's cheesy and those are the excepts that get clipped and made fun of in a giant circlejerk, like she didn't have a few bangers of gut punching descriptions in there that make you want to read them more than once. :marseyshook:

to be clear I have never read twilight through, but I've skimmed it here and there and understand what made it popular

...you can really see the Jane Austen influences and I really struggled to read Austin through...it was ok but kind of boring. I probably would have been exited about Sense and Sensibility as a teenager if it had one of the characters grappling with the fine details of the experience of how it feels to breathe in a new vampire body that doesn't actually need air. The boring parts of twilight are also boring tho, just like Jane Austen books and the like :marseyyawn:

I remember as a kid being fascinated with stories where the Victorian author described in intimate detail what it was like to be paralyzed or have tuberculosis. Meyer could probably write a killer "sick fiction" because she can wield the descriptive skills necessary at a high level.

(btw I always took the lesson of "I'm so thankful for being healthy" from those books--- but those books can, and still do, influence crazy foids to pretend to be cancer patients, or start to wish they would die of a disease because it would be romantic :marseyworried:)

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wtf why is this insightful

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foid authors are pretty good at keeping readers hooked. It's all part of emotional manipulation.


:#marseydarkpizzashill: The Democratic RethugliKKKan Party will collapse by 2030. :#marseydarkpizzashill:

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All them words won't bring your pa back.

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I love doing this

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