:marseytrad: authors discussion and recommendation thread :marseyrowling:

To discuss your favorite and most hated women (male and female) in literature.

I think the only female author book I ever finished was “Pride and Prejudice” (didn’t even read Harry Potter, lmao). But history is full with them, you have authors like Mary Shelley :marseystein:, Margaret Mitchell :marseysouthernbelle7:, Margaret Atwood :marseygilead:, Isabel Allende :marseyflagchile: and so on.

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I was at the bookstore earlier looking for gardening books and half the section was dedicated to growing your own marijuana. :marseysad:

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Lmao where do you live?

Also you don't really need books for gardening anymore, most of this stuff you can find online and DYOR on

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I still prefer books sometimes to get a full long form collection of information. So you don't have to google every small thing or even know what to Google

I got a kindle book on growing tomatoes and it was all I needed

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It's all the same, the only thing that changes is the ratios and levels. Vocabulary is practically 1:1 though

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Ann Rand: Based or Not?

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Based r-slur. However she is the rightoid version of :marseylongpost::marseylongpost::marseylongpost:

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I think every artist should read The Fountainhead. The hero is an uncompromising neurodivergent who refuses to design buildings that people like. Obviously this makes him an ubermensch, and only geniuses can appreciate his vision.

As for Atlas Shrugged, I think the one thing it gets right is industry lobbyists will use the government to strangle creativity and development in order to protect their markets.

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Roark was an entitled sociopath who blew up a building. If she wanted to tell a story about an uncompromising artist she should have gone with a painter who shreds his painting on an exposition instead of an architect. Though people like Toohey are real, so she nailed some of her caricatures.

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But that wouldn't have been as cool!

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Can’t argue against that 😃

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I really enjoyed Fountainhead and to a lesser extent Atlas Shrugged (you can skip the Galt sperg speech). Every time I hear someone critique it they either have never read either or pretend they've read it, because they read some synopsis on the internet.

A lot of her characters in Atlas are caricaturey and the book has a smug teenage "I'm going to show the world one day! You'll see" attitude that gets taken very seriously but the ideas are interesting. Particularly how shitty people take over institutions and slowly chip away at society and reward each other for not nooticing, while the people who care/work hard/keep the lights on become cynical and alienated.

I can sympathize with my elite big brain

me IRL :marseybigbrain:

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The fountainhead's r*pe scene was really out of left field tho, and 95% of the time I mention that people think im meming but it is very real and very odd. Hard agree on the rest, Rand may be r-slurred and her books may have silly parts, but they are solid books.

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Rand was just a coomer

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There also a r*pey s*x scene in Atlas Shrugged too. I think Ayn liked the idea of autismo superman sneaking into her bed at night and rogering her, then leaving so she doesn't have to talk to them

She had some romantic relationships via her little book club cult group thing she put together and her husband got cucked if I remember correctly

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>I think Ayn liked the idea of autismo superman sneaking into her bed at night and rogering her, then leaving so she doesn't have to talk to them

Now this is the crit lit i come here for


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Particularly how shitty people take over institutions and slowly chip away at society and reward each other for not nooticing, while the people who care/work hard/keep the lights on become cynical and alienated.

Never read Atlas Shrugged, but that’s an good case for the book. Interesting ideas exposed by an average melodramatic writer.

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It also kinda supports the idea thay high functioning neurodivergents are species-wide antidotes to the same shit-peopling trend. High function neurodivergents will persist in forcing shit to work right in an organization even against the grain of shit people incentivizing more shit people by looking away and driving away not shit people.


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Galt's Gulch didn't really work for me. I understand the screed against communism, and I don't think that society is "due" the fruits of others' genius. But the only reason they got to be genius inventors and whatnot is because they lived in a society where they could pursue these ventures and not have to worry about surviving. They could buy food and medicine, etc. But they get pissed at society, so they're going to take their toys and leave. Fortunately, they're already rich so they can buy everything that they need from the outside world, and continue being geniuses.

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But the only reason they got to be genius inventors and whatnot is because they lived in a society where they could pursue these ventures

I don't think it's supposed to be a guidebook to life though just a thought experiment "what if all the smart capable engineers and entrepreneurs and the smart dudes who know how to fix anything etc all fricked off and left society to the politicians, freeloaders, and grifters, what would happen?".

It's not like things would instantly collapse or something but I don't think it's controversial to say that a smaller portion of society does a ton of the heavy lifting for the greater half. It's just how some people are, like Winston Churchill writing 43 books, while running a country, and being a full blown alcoholic. Some people just punch above their weight or simply care more.

Not all of them are rich and famous either which is usually where most people dismiss it out of hand by assuming Galts people = a collection of today's rich people. Society is far from a pure meritocracy, it's not that simple as "what if all rich people on Wall st left". Tons of middle class people nobodies are doing that sort of hard work keeping the lights on while most of their coworkers float by day-to-day.

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I'm going admit quite liking Ursula Le Guin and Anne McCaffery 'cos dragons and shit.

Now I will see myself out...

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Earthsea and Left hand of Darkness was kino

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I read earthsea so long ago as a kid i need to reread it, so fuzzy a memory


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Jane Austen, Ivy Compton-Burnett, Barbara Comyns, Penelope Fitzgerald, Shirley Jackson, Barbara Pym, Stevie Smith, Muriel Spark, Elizabeth Taylor, Sylvia Townsend Warner

I probably read more women than men (More Women than Men is also an Ivy Compton-Burnett novel)

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Joan Aiken, Fanny Burney, E. M. Delafield, Daphne du Maurier, Stella Gibbons, Rose Macaulay, Katherine Mansfield, Hilary Mantel, Nancy Mitford, Christina Rossetti, Sei Shōnagon, Virginia Woolf

God I love women :marseylove:

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I second Virginia Woolf and also want to toss in Didion!!! Not subversive or special to suggest, but I cherish her writing style and miss her body fascism dearly.

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>didion

>Famoose for being first off the base on the central park 5 being innocent

Foid nonsense enabling trash never ends :marseynails:


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CP5 didn’t jumpstart her career dork, the worms in your brain are going to starve to death. Develop taste :marseybutt:

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Elizabeth Taylor

(just kidding I see on google it's a bong novelist)

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I love the title of her biography, The Other Elizabeth Taylor

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Your comments are always a pleasure to read.

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:#marseyblush:

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Apparently, Vladimir Nabokov was not a fan of Jane Austen. Here are his takes on her:

Nabokov's wife Véra was his strongest supporter and assisted him throughout his lifetime, but Nabokov admitted to having a "prejudice" against women writers. He wrote to Edmund Wilson, who had been making suggestions for his lectures: "I dislike Jane Austen, and am prejudiced, in fact against all women writers. They are in another class." But after rereading Austen's Mansfield Park he changed his mind and taught it in his literature course; he also praised Mary McCarthy's work and described Marina Tsvetaeva as a "poet of genius" in Speak, Memory.  Although Véra worked as his personal translator and secretary, he made publicly known that his ideal translator would be male, and especially not a "Russian-born female".

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Nabokov was extremely full of himself and shit on a lot of other writers.

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Keyed? Keyed on what?

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Keyed on keyed

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Keyed? Keyed on what?

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Keyed on keyed

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Keyed? Keyed on what?

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Did he stutter?

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Clarice Lispector is a :marseyblackphillip: if you like experimental stuff. Manages to draw out a few minutes of a woman eating a cockroach into a full novel

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:#marseykingkrazy:the closest king krazy comes to reading a women author is Terry Pratchett who's name sounds like it could belong to a women.:#marseykingkrazy:

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Become Sylvia Plath pilled

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le husband is strict and I am le sad, I wonder if there is anything I can do about it

1950s gas oven sitting in the kitchen:

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(for real though hughes was based for burning her depressive journals, she really wanted to be like edgar allan poe)

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kinda sus he had two wives die the exact same way :marseysquint:

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Mercy is the biggest BBC snowbunny in Coalburnwatch :coomer:

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Elizabeth Bishop is probably my favourite American poet.

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Margaret Mitchell shits all over every other women writer, and was a total Stacy in real life too.:marseysouthernbelle1:

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Is “Gone with the wind” worth reading? I love the movie and watched it again on HBO Max a few weeks ago, but I heard the book is even more of a :marseysaluteconfederacy: apologia, to the point of featuring the :marseykkk: as the good guys lmao.

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Yes it is and yes it is. It's genuinely well-written and a fascinating glimpse of planter society and the war from a Southern perspective; in that manner the apologia fits neatly into the narrative. Had it been more objective I don't think it would have been realistic; as it stands you can put yourself into their shoes and it's an interesting, if unusual, experience.

Scarlett is an unrepentant whore and life-ruiner and really one of the more interesting female characters I've read in fiction.

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Scarlett is an unrepentant whore and life-ruiner and really one of the more interesting female characters I've read in fiction.

This is what I’ve always loved about the movie. Scarlett is a b-word, but that’s what makes her interesting. I also like Mellie, who despite being “meak” is actually a strong character.

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Mellie was amazing. It always got my goat that a super-chudded War of Northern Aggression book from the 1900s has better and more complex female characters than most contemporary feminist fiction; and even most classic ""feminist"" fiction about women suffering nobly under men. :marseysmug2: Scarlett didn't give up and off herself by the end, she decided to frick Rhett and that she didn't need him in her life. She also drank so much she turned her kids r-slurred.

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Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë was a good read.

Good song too. (holy shit, I'd forgotten how much of a weirdo Kate Bush is)

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No mentions of Cormac McCarthy yet? what are your thoughts on him?

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I heard of him but haven’t read any of his books, apparently he’s one of the best authors still alive. So que essa thread e pra discutir sobre as muie que escrevem ou escreviam.

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B.F. Akins

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@BARD_BOT add this to the list of trigger words :marseyxd:

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I've read one of the Agatha Christie books

It was meh but I don't really like detective stories so maybe that's on me. Also it had this feel that it was more intended for a female audience but I couldn't tell you why

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David Eddings, Orson Scott Card, James Patterson

QED

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Mary shelley is a hack for repackaging the golem into a way that miraculously makes jewish folklore somehow even more boring.(no hate on the OG tho, it was a product of it's time and of course won't compare to centuries of storytelling evolution)

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:#marseyshutitdown:

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Journey to the end of night

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Whitney Ryan! :marseypass:

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I've been trying to read demon copperhead, shit book shit author

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Tana French and her Dublin Murder Squad mystery series is the only modern foid writer I can stomach.

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