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HN discusses: How bad is supporting NAMBLA, really?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36600219

Context: Samuel R. Delany is a prolific sci-fi author who: is gay, was sexually abused as a kid (but denies it was abuse), and grew up to believe that man/boy sexual relationships should not be criminalized.

READ IT -> I've written about him in an earlier dramapost <- READ IT


Despite his love of man/boy child abuse, Delany continues to have a huge fandom - particularly among people who normally love a good cancellation (again, read my previous post). On Monday, The New Yorker published a charming interview with him which included a reference to him "once praising a NAMBLA newsletter". In reality, he has his own page on the NAMBLA website :marseyglow: and has been very explicit over the years, including this quote from a 2009 biography:

It may seem paradoxical from my statement that generally speaking I think sexual relations between children and adults are likely to go wrong and that most of them are likely to be, start off as, or quickly become, abusive, that I also support a group like NAMBLA—which I do. But that’s because I feel one of the largest factors in the abuse is fostered by the secrecy itself and lack of social policing of the relationships.

Today, The New Yorker piece made it's way to Hacker News. The thread isn't very long, but the takes are entertaining:

I suppose that's another transitive property of support... if I 'support' Delany who 'supports' NAMBLA which 'supports'...

What's "transitive" about Delany's support for NAMBLA? They have one policy and it's in their fricking name.

This was a statement Samuel Delany had well over two decades ago. Additionally it's clear Samuel Delany was himself a victim of child sexual assault if you knew anything else about him.

2009 is well over two decades ago :brainletchest:

What's your problem with homosexuals?

Why are you going digging in for dirt in someone's comment history to defend a NAMBLA supporter? :marseysquint:

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Because when a moderation team makes a decision to permit one of their own to break rules, troll the users, make the sub look bad, and above all, attract a very destructive brand of user from a very chaotic sub, it speaks to a moderation team that no longer cares about the sub or the wishes of the users in it. Look at all those /r/drama buttholes in this thread.

Everyone of these has been downmarseyd. Everyone has been filled with comments deriding them and asking for the mods to stop permitting this shit. They have ignored those. Likely brushing it off as "not a big deal".

What it really shows is they're letting their friend get off on his little hoppy of bringing attention to himself, not unlike a child, and they're definitely sitting in their groomercord laughing at the users bothered by it. Otherwise they'd do the reasonable thing and stop it.

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published a charming interview with him:

https://www.nambla.org/delaney.html:

It may seem paradoxical from my statement that generally speaking I think sexual relations between children and adults are likely to go wrong and that most of them are likely to be, start off as, or quickly become, abusive, that I also support a group like NAMBLA—which I do. But that’s because I feel one of the largest factors in the abuse is fostered by the secrecy itself and lack of social policing of the relationships.:

I suppose that's another transitive property of support... if I 'support' Delany who 'supports' NAMBLA which 'supports'...:

This was a statement Samuel Delany had well over two decades ago. Additionally it's clear Samuel Delany was himself a victim of child sexual assault if you knew anything else about him.:

What's your problem with homosexuals?:

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