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HN discusses: How bad is supporting NAMBLA, really?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36600219

Context: Samuel R. Delany is a prolific sci-fi author who: is gay, was sexually abused as a kid (but denies it was abuse), and grew up to believe that man/boy sexual relationships should not be criminalized.

READ IT -> I've written about him in an earlier dramapost <- READ IT


Despite his love of man/boy child abuse, Delany continues to have a huge fandom - particularly among people who normally love a good cancellation (again, read my previous post). On Monday, The New Yorker published a charming interview with him which included a reference to him "once praising a NAMBLA newsletter". In reality, he has his own page on the NAMBLA website :marseyglow: and has been very explicit over the years, including this quote from a 2009 biography:

It may seem paradoxical from my statement that generally speaking I think sexual relations between children and adults are likely to go wrong and that most of them are likely to be, start off as, or quickly become, abusive, that I also support a group like NAMBLA—which I do. But that’s because I feel one of the largest factors in the abuse is fostered by the secrecy itself and lack of social policing of the relationships.

Today, The New Yorker piece made it's way to Hacker News. The thread isn't very long, but the takes are entertaining:

I suppose that's another transitive property of support... if I 'support' Delany who 'supports' NAMBLA which 'supports'...

What's "transitive" about Delany's support for NAMBLA? They have one policy and it's in their fricking name.

This was a statement Samuel Delany had well over two decades ago. Additionally it's clear Samuel Delany was himself a victim of child sexual assault if you knew anything else about him.

2009 is well over two decades ago :brainletchest:

What's your problem with homosexuals?

Why are you going digging in for dirt in someone's comment history to defend a NAMBLA supporter? :marseysquint:

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is gay, was sexually abused as a kid

:#marseypikachu2:

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this never happens though

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Their TFR is much lower than normal, but their number, unlike heterosexual reproduction, only needs to be greater than 1, not 2.

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snappy pls say the thing

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This does remind me of a funny SNL sketch with Steve Buscemi who plays a highschool football coach, who despite not being accused of anything, gets investigated for pedophilia because of what he looks like

Anyway in the sketch bill Hader plays a member of nambla who comes to the highschool and clarifies that Steve isn't in their organisation, not would they have wanted "someone like him" within their organisation. It was funny, I laughed

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>funny SNL sketch

i have never seen these words in the same sentence

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oh boy i can tell that skit was personal and the writers were fuming when they created the script. anyways i chuckled once watching that skit and even then it wasnt all that funny

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yet here they be

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Daily reminder that all coders are p-dophiles.


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breaks the site once

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what did box mean by this


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ummm actually (s)he's a lolicon there's a difference chud.

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Is "support" always transitive? To support someone is necessarily to support everything they support? What does "support" mean, anyway?

To read and enjoy a book by him necessarily means I'm "supporting" everything he has ever supported, including in the past?

Why would it work that way? (This is not meant to say anything either way on whether Delany "supports the sexual abuse of children". I suppose that's another transitive property of support... if I 'support' Delany who 'supports' NAMBLA which 'supports'... )

Jesus Christ, dude. Here's how it's done:

"I really like his books. The man's a great writer, but it's too bad he's a chomo."

It's not hard!

He was responding to this :marseypearlclutch:

Just know that if you support Delany you're supporting the sexual abuse of children.

:#surejan:

How could anyone subject themselves to HN on a daily basis? It's a lot like reddit: different topics, same r-slurs.

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You just know this guy's used the "nazis at a table" line at some point

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chomo

Source?

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:#marseysmughips:

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Great artists are seldom great people.

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Delany 🤝 Rowling

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I was so fricking disappointed when I found out Allen Ginsberg was an unironic supporter of NAMBLA. He was my favourite of the Beat Poets, after Kerouac (of course), and I even had front-row seats for a performance of his when in played in my town in the 90s.

I'm pretty vanilla sexually, and while I don't normally begrudge even the freakiest of people indulging their kinks, I do however draw the line at children. Every person deserves an innocent childhood, and the right to enter into sexuality on their own terms.

"Never meet your heroes", as the old saying goes.....

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The Beat movement was all degenerate whiny addict losers who revelled on selfishness and wordswordswords over how stealing, beating their girlfriends and generally being massive pieces of shit was like societies fault man. They truly heralded the downfall of American society and have been copied by so many hack writers since that anything they did that was unique now looks the way it always should have- utterly derivative vapid bullshit

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Imagine ever stanning for Ginsberg lol. Howl was the most obvious cringey shit ever! This shit wasn't subversive it just sucked lol!!

Go read some fricking Whitman for Christ's sake

:#marseyxd:

“Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!

Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy!

The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy!

The nose is holy! The tongue and peepee and hand

and butthole holy!'

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If Whitman were alive today he'd probably be shitposting trad wojak memes

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Nah he'd be at the bathhouses and everyone would request his bottom, the best bottom of all

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Like I said Whitman is keyed.

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The central elements of Beat culture are the rejection of standard narrative values, making a spiritual quest, the exploration of American and Eastern religions, the rejection of economic materialism, explicit portrayals of the human condition, experimentation with psychedelic drugs, and sexual liberation and exploration.

R-slur.

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Burroughs is best beat and not even just because he shot a foid. And even though he was a p-do, I don’t think he tried to justify it. I don’t know though

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!ranchers !nooticers Samuel R. Delany/SFWA even has a very informative thread on KiwiFarms/SneedToday that details their p-do associations :marseydetective:

https://sneed.today/threads/science-fiction-and-fantasy-writers-association-sfwa.149452/

@LiterallyShaking @carpathianflorist @Dramamine @X (formerly chiobu) @MarSneed

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I've seen it but not read it and cannot attest to the quality of it. I assumed it was in the Patrick Tomlinson-sphere in terms of content, but the OP looks pretty good.


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I got you confused with moon for some reason.

Do you know if there’s any drama around Fantano lately? Anything come from the divorce thing?

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@Dramamine haven't watched a Fantano video since 2015 because he's just a boring kind of insufferable. @Dramamine only vaguely know he got divorced probably because trans lives matter too much too stay married too his bio-hole.


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mind, having been warned, immediately fills in "I have very little knowledge of such matters because I find such knowledge distasteful" as the part censored out.

That, too? I wonder.

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This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

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What the frick is that book excerpt bro

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Bro this is just Wattpad fiction what the frick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogg_(novel)

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Not a train? :marseysleep:

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:#marseyxd:

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The happy campers at ona forums often discuss the disturbing facebook posts he makes

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What does supporting NAMBLA even mean? Do they just straight up want gay pedophilia? Like, do they say "*wowie, I wish a 37yo could top a 13yo boy!" Do they realize how bad the optics on that sounds?

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The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve what it considers coercion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association

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what it considers

:#marseywut2:

The rest of it is bad anyway but why this interjection?

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To stress that they have an alternative moral theory instead of the marginally more insane position of rejecting morality theory outright and to themselves, I assume.

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Found 39 Coins!

@McCoxmaul

:#praiseallah:

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It's literally the old South Park episode. They just want to frick kids and not go to jail.

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I've been rewatching old South Park at night recently. It's crazy how relevant so many episodes remain


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Child please stop talking about this I need these people to help fund my frivolous lawsuits.

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generally speaking I think sexual relations between children and adults are likely to go wrong and that most of them are likely to be, start off as, or quickly become, abusive

No frickin way?

:#marseywoodchipper2:

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I support people's right to publically speak their opinions on any topic without financial or professional coercion. A shame most Leftoid p-dophiles like this would never extend the same courtesy to us chuds

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Doesn't sci-fi writing have more pedos? I remember reading and exposé about it.

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There's a lot of sexual deviants in general in sci-fi, pedos included. Robert Heinlein, for example, had a habit of writing about how incest was actually really cool and only backwards fuddy duddies didn't like it


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Let's not forget that Neelix was banging a 2 year old.

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excuse me?

trans lives matter


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The character Neelix from Star Trek: Voyager was dating Kes for the first two seasons of the show.

She belonged to a species that normally only lived 9 years. In the first season, the character was 2.

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now is Tuvix more or less p-do :marseyhmm:

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>got diddled and grew up too be a p-dophile

INSTEAD OF COPING HE SHOULD BE ROPING

@CREAMY_DOG_ORGASM say this as a feminist ally

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All pedos get the rope. Periodt

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Because when a moderation team makes a decision to permit one of their own to break rules, troll the users, make the sub look bad, and above all, attract a very destructive brand of user from a very chaotic sub, it speaks to a moderation team that no longer cares about the sub or the wishes of the users in it. Look at all those /r/drama buttholes in this thread.

Everyone of these has been downmarseyd. Everyone has been filled with comments deriding them and asking for the mods to stop permitting this shit. They have ignored those. Likely brushing it off as "not a big deal".

What it really shows is they're letting their friend get off on his little hoppy of bringing attention to himself, not unlike a child, and they're definitely sitting in their groomercord laughing at the users bothered by it. Otherwise they'd do the reasonable thing and stop it.

Snapshots:

published a charming interview with him:

https://www.nambla.org/delaney.html:

It may seem paradoxical from my statement that generally speaking I think sexual relations between children and adults are likely to go wrong and that most of them are likely to be, start off as, or quickly become, abusive, that I also support a group like NAMBLA—which I do. But that’s because I feel one of the largest factors in the abuse is fostered by the secrecy itself and lack of social policing of the relationships.:

I suppose that's another transitive property of support... if I 'support' Delany who 'supports' NAMBLA which 'supports'...:

This was a statement Samuel Delany had well over two decades ago. Additionally it's clear Samuel Delany was himself a victim of child sexual assault if you knew anything else about him.:

What's your problem with homosexuals?:

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