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I've been reading more and more 40K books, which i admit is the popcorn equivalent of literature out of sheer boredom from books recently, and books are astronomically expensive in RSA these days, so I don't have the option to experiment as much as i had during my highschool days for different books in different genres by different authors

I also find modern women writers to be appalling, especially their male characters. It's like the inverse of /r/MenWritingWomen, where we are aware men have been writing women badly for many decades and are calling it out, but there appears to be little conscience in modern international society to pressure womankind to up their game when writing from the male perspective.

I don't know how to put it in words even, it's all so fricking flat.

I've read women like Ursula Leguin before in Left Hand of Darkness and Earthsea saga, and sometimes it was heavy, but the men felt real? Not as doormats or soys, or fanatasies or idealized or anything. They felt solid and corporeal. I don't have the capacity to describe it

When Robert Jordan of Wheel of Time wrote women, he was honestly very boomerish sometimes, in his world of battle of the sexes, where men are all from Mars and Women are all from Venus; but there was an absolute sincerity. He made clear patterns of tremendous effort to write from the female perspective, to see flawed and inspiring women organically interact with each other and their male peers. Sometimes he faltered, but his world and women in them was organic and real.

I know rightoids are bitching about soyslop in movies, but i feel a similar emptyness has invaded literature from libraries, bookstores and 2nd hand shops the past decade. I cant put it in words

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and books are astronomically expensive in RSA these days,

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You're welcome bb

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I haven't watched/read legal media since 2019

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based. But then why complain about book prices?

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Because I actually enjoy books, the feel of them. Reading from kindle or your phone or whatever a pdf will never replace the sensation and enjoyment I have from paper .

But the price of novels literally are out of my price range

I still buy 2nd hand books, and can afford new books, but it's just not worth it at the speed I read, at like once a new book every week or fortnight

!bookworms

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How much does a paperback novel costs in SA? Give us some prices to compare. Are there many SA printing companies? Is the paper produced locally?

If they're imported that could be playing the bigger role in prices.

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R300 for 200 page light novels, between 200rand to 400 rand for 40k books

I once tried to buy the Thrawn trilogy first book, cuz I somehow got the 2 and 3rd book

But they were like it'll cost400 rand and I was like eeeeeeeweeeewehhhhhh

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11 dollars for 200 pages paperbacks is just about the same price as here. I never thought that as particularly expensive, just as the price. That hardcover I posted from the Origins of the Species costed me 109 R$ or 20 dollars, fair price imo.

What I thought was expensive was the Analytic Geometry book I used at my freshman year in college, it costed 180R$ back then. I don't remember how was the dollar back then but the Real was stronger.

The US prices are no better, I usually check at Amazon.

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Ok rich guy

Do you spend 800 rand on books every month?

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I only ever buy second hand

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I found a few gems on book fairs for a bargain price

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I've been using thriftbooks.com

It's okay

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100% agree with you that reading is much better with actual paper in your hand.

What's the library system like in SA? :marseygossipunsure: Free, physical books (although they might not have what you want to read :marseysigh: )

Also buying every book you read compromises shelf space pretty fast unless you have a library room in your house

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Also buying every book you read compromises shelf space pretty fast unless you have a library room in your house

I ran out of shelf space lmao, I placed the last books I bought over my desk. But that's solvable by putting a new shelf.

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I know a guy like that, his room is filled with books stacked on the floor :marseyyikes: :marseyfacepalm: :ragestrangle: He's built a bunch of shelves but ran out of space on his wall between bookshelves+other decorations

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The shelf on my room is very small that's why I ran out of space quickly, I keep most of my books on a shelf at my parents house, with their books is basically a small library.

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So use the library?

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In south Africa?

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….touche :marseysword:

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Don't you live in Cape Town? I imagine there's a large public library there.

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I DON'T LIVE IN CAPE TOWN :marseyrage:

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Writing is for sure getting worse. I don’t trust anything that’s been published since 2015 unless it’s an author I’m already familiar with.

Good news ebooks are easily :marseypirate:

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Any good sites you use?

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Anonamouse, zlib, gen.lib.rus.ec

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anna’s archive nerds

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Zlibrary is the easiest to use but the feds are trying to ruin it

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It's not new, there's always been soyslop for the masses, it's just that now what the "average reader" (ie a foid) wants is empowered female characters, smut, and men being called pigs. Look at how bad 95% of serials were in the 20s, or books by unknown authors in the 1800s. We retroactively praise past authors because we are looking at them through their best forms. Not every writer was Lovecraft, Peepeeens, Shakespeare, and Homer, most are and were George Charles Wallis, Jacob Abbott, Francis Beaumont or Eumelus of Corinth.

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There was an awful lot of pulp and slop written that’s been consigned to the dust bin of history. But at the same time, if you all at the great books published from 1900 to 1923, then try to find an equal amount of greats from 2000 to 2023…you just can’t. It’s no contest. :marseyreading:

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Maybe they just can’t get published? :marseynooticeglow:

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Nobody reads 100% of what's published in a given year, and I doubt anyone even skims 50% of it. Nobody's asking for all literature to be perfect, rather, of all the mediocre work that's published, at least one or two good books a year is what people are hoping for.

I have to agree with what's been said, even the "good" art we get nowadays, that's supposed to "challenge" the audience and subvert expectations is just so literal, uncreative and Youtube essay'd out. How many "see they're superheroes, but they're BAD GUYS" did we get already? Or "Lovecraftian" schlock? There's also been, to put it bluntly, a growing hatred of literature, as the idea that all art is essentially propaganda spreads in liberal circles. Students insisting they shouldn't have to be familiar with the works of dead white cis men, people posting any uncharitable depiction of a woman to /r/menwritingwomen, etc. We simply live in a time where not only is bad art put on a pedestal, but good art is detested, and good artists are actively punished. It won't last forever, but since at least Orange Man's presidential campaign we've had to suffer this rut.

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peepeeens

lmbo

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I also find modern :marseywarhol: women :marseyhearnoevil: writers to be appealling, especially their male characters. It's like the inverse of /r/MenWritingWomen, where :marseydrama: we are aware :marseyaware: men have been writing :marseytherapist: women :marseyhearnoevil: badly for many decades and are calling it out, but there :marseycheerup: appears to be little :marseybaby: conscience in modern :marseyartbasel: international society :marseyunabomber: to pressure womankind to up their game when writing :marseynotes2: from the male perspective.

One thing I can't help nooticing is how little :marseyelliotrodger2: womyn understand men.

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Women are cut from the rib of man. It’s like asking a tiny Russian doll how many times it took opening dolls too get too them. They have no idea they just exist. Men have never been bad at depicting women. Women just don’t like men depicting women for whom they truly are

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You truly are so wise.

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I don't know how to put it in words even, it's all so fricking flat.

I think the problem is some women see male characters as these blank slates that they can do whatever with and not have to worry about any complexities because they have no "inherent struggles" and don't come with baggage like minorities (anyone not a white straight male) do

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When Robert Jordan of Wheel of Time wrote women, he was honestly very boomerish sometimes, in his world of battle of the sexes, where men are all from Mars and Women are all from Venus; but there was an absolute sincerity. He made clear patterns of tremendous effort to write from the female perspective, to see flawed and inspiring women organically interact with each other and their male peers.

Robert Jordans writing of women and relationships should be considered a war crime. It's so fricking awful I have no idea how anyone manages to slog through his obnoxious, shitty books.

I gave up on them entirely due to how shit he was at writing women and women interacting with men along with his weird butt fascination with braid tugging.

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@carpathianflorist purge this heretic

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can i have enough dc or mb for a ban award pls


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How the frick do you lose your cas

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i spent it all driving pizzashill down to -15k!


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That moment when the users are more powerful than the mods

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I'm glad Amazon botched a wheel of time series because of the fish.

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The real criminals are the "Historical Fiction Coomers", a large group of writers who love using historical settings and an neurodivergent fascination for history to write clunky, embarrassing smut that takes up far more of the novel than should even be considered. Ken Follet is the absolute worst, half of his novels were written with 1 hand

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Keep yourself safe cute twink. Women really are as insufferable as Robert Jordan wrote them to be, you just can't turn a blind eye and simp because it's a book.

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Have s*x incel

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'braid tugging' has got to become a new thing. Gurl, I tugged my braid.

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:unicorn: Nonfiction = Fiction :mummy: Fiction = Nonfiction :!unicorn:

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Fun fact: Ursula Le Guin was friends with benefits with fellow author Harlan Ellison. She may also have had an affair with Michael Moorpeepee.

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Fun fact: Arthur C. Clarke fricked bussy in Burma.

:#marseygoatse:

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based :marseysalutepride:

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moorpeepee

:marseymutt: :marseysweating:

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look im gunna have 2 ask u 2 keep ur giant dumps in the potty not in my replys 😷😷😷

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You should buy an e reader and get ebooks from libgen if you're pressed for cash

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Dude books are legitimately free in the us. Send @collectijism you're address @collectijism can send them too you for the super cheap book mail in the us. Where it’s like 10 cents a book too send anywhere. Next time you inhabit somewhere make sure you kill every single native you're grand children will thank you

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What books u got? :carpexcited:

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>Ernest Cline

:marseyropeyourself#:

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Ready player one like Martian and daemon are @collectijism's favorite type of authors first book not English majors.

The follow up too ready player one was however unreadable

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Neuromancer is another great example willam gibsons first best book

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Neuromancer was actually good though.

Have you read Weir's second book, Artemis? It's just as good as The Martian!

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I dont have money to pay u with

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Can you get mail? Or have the blacks destroyed that too?

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Get you're hands on the two Daniel Suarez books

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Bro no homo but do you want my list of favorite 40k books

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YES https://i.rdrama.net/images/16898676077864263.webp

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I’ll DM you later bro.

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niga just post about it so we can all know

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DM me as well my neighbor. I've read quite a few but I'm hoping for a few suggestions.

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:marseyshy: Can I have the book list?

I'm just getting into the lore :marseyreading:

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I read a lot for my degree, and most books I read to tune out are slop, for pure entertainment value. But not nuslop like shit passed through sensitivity readers with mentally ill screeds and self inserts by bipoc xe/xir queer tranxisters, which seems to be pushed hard in modern literature.

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LHoD has the fellas trekking through ice fields on a foreign planet in pursuit of a goal, that's probably it. Men being busy is fascism to radlibs.

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