I loved Blood Meridian more than I anticipated so I'm honestly open to anything insofar as it's captivating and meaningful. Whatever you think is a must-read book! It doesn't have to just be lit, I'm open to philosophy as well. I'm trying to expand my palate and read more so whatever works
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Coin Locker Babies and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle are both pretty excellent and (relatively) unknown novels in the English world I think, if you're looking for heady, meaty fiction.
Evola is compelling, even if his philosophy isn't your jam, but he's generally a bit of a difficult read. Also like super moid so I'm not sure I'd recommend that after all. You're young, it's a good idea to get familiar with Dostoevsky's works because for whatever reason Russian classics seem to both impress people and get you looked down on if you've not read them. Give Dostoevsky a try.
In Search Of Lost Time is also, inexplicably, considered the greatest work of fiction by many for some reason? I think it's just the most boring thing ever written, but it's also important to have read just for the sake of having read it. Many things are like that and it's good to read them for the sake of optics and discussion. Pick up a nice Proust set and get suffering.
Thank you carp I like Dostoevsky a lot so I honestly need to look into more of his shit as I've only read two of his books but I'll start with your first two recs and lyk what I think. Meaty fiction is exactly what I'm looking for, that's what I loved ab McCarthy I think lol. You're the best
In Search Of Lost Time is also, inexplicably, considered the greatest work of fiction by many for some reason? I think it's just the most boring thing ever written, but it's also important to have read just for the sake of having read it
I reaaally tried to finish Du côté de chez Swann, I remember a review compared it to watching the paint go dry and I think that's an accurate way to describe it. Maybe someday I'll finish the whole thing just for the sake of it as you put it.
There's a book called How to Read a Book by Mortimer J. Adler and Charles Van Doren. Give it a read. Some of the advice is a bit dated, but most of it is timeless.
When you finish, there's an appendix at the end with a "recommended reading" list. Read everything ever written by every author listed. If they mention something you don't understand, make a note of it and look it up. If they mention another author, or if you find another author mentioned in your research, read their work as well.
By the time you've made it to the bottom of the list, you'll be at the starting point of what I would consider "well read". You'll also have received a better education than 90% of college graduates.
Oh, one more thing. The biggest weakness of Adler and Van Doren's list is that it's very Eurocentric, so be sure to read some works outside the Western canon as well.
I saw somewhere that No Country for Old Men was meant to be a screenplay so it's not a super enjoyable read as it's mostly dialogue but I did like The Road so I'll definitely add it to my list and look into more of his stuff. Have you read it?
No Country for Old Men is my favorite McCarthy book, it's got a lot of monologues but it is not in any way a screenplay. IMO it is his best storytelling work.
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The modern LGBT movement, regardless of your moral compass, is a glimpse of the ideal in a dystopian capitalist technocracy.
They signify the quintessential consumer, one who's identity is derived from the brands, movies, fashion, gay clubs etc. in a symbiotic relationship with the capitalist system, as opposed to previous organic identities derived from Tradition.
A trans person, for instance, is a being who lives, day to day, on a cocktail of hormone pills & ointments, whose life is punctuated suddenly by a series of violent surgical interventions, all designed to make of them a man or woman. This is the end of our civilizational narrative concerning the sexes (and indeed all identity).
Traditional, organic identities have been replaced by synthetic, disaggregated attributes (hormone level, facial structure, sexual organ etc.)
Now that man as such has been replaced in his war-making capacity by the genderless professional soldier (drone) & woman in her child-bearing capacity is to be replaced by the artificial womb, what are we left with but disembodied attributes?
This is in line with the nature of unfettered Capitalism. To unfettered capitalism, all forms of tradition and and identity are limits to commodification. It's nature is to take limits and turn them into barriers to overcome. Trying to maintain tradition or national identity within unfettered capitalism is like trying to force a river backwards.
Any anti capitalist movement needs to not only address the material aspects of capitalism like wealth inequality and exploitation, but also the meta narrative of hyper modernity itself, which has been brought forth by Capitalism.
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What kinda stuff do you wanna read
I have a few hundred books
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I loved Blood Meridian more than I anticipated so I'm honestly open to anything insofar as it's captivating and meaningful. Whatever you think is a must-read book! It doesn't have to just be lit, I'm open to philosophy as well. I'm trying to expand my palate and read more so whatever works
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Coin Locker Babies and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle are both pretty excellent and (relatively) unknown novels in the English world I think, if you're looking for heady, meaty fiction.
Evola is compelling, even if his philosophy isn't your jam, but he's generally a bit of a difficult read. Also like super moid so I'm not sure I'd recommend that after all. You're young, it's a good idea to get familiar with Dostoevsky's works because for whatever reason Russian classics seem to both impress people and get you looked down on if you've not read them. Give Dostoevsky a try.
In Search Of Lost Time is also, inexplicably, considered the greatest work of fiction by many for some reason? I think it's just the most boring thing ever written, but it's also important to have read just for the sake of having read it. Many things are like that and it's good to read them for the sake of optics and discussion. Pick up a nice Proust set and get suffering.
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Thank you carp I like Dostoevsky a lot so I honestly need to look into more of his shit as I've only read two of his books but I'll start with your first two recs and lyk what I think. Meaty fiction is exactly what I'm looking for, that's what I loved ab McCarthy I think lol. You're the best
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I reaaally tried to finish Du côté de chez Swann, I remember a review compared it to watching the paint go dry and I think that's an accurate way to describe it. Maybe someday I'll finish the whole thing just for the sake of it as you put it.
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The Brothers Karamazov is sublime
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Yes I love Dostoevsky
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If you like Russian lit in general I would say give Master and Margarita a try.
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There's a book called How to Read a Book by Mortimer J. Adler and Charles Van Doren. Give it a read. Some of the advice is a bit dated, but most of it is timeless.
When you finish, there's an appendix at the end with a "recommended reading" list. Read everything ever written by every author listed. If they mention something you don't understand, make a note of it and look it up. If they mention another author, or if you find another author mentioned in your research, read their work as well.
By the time you've made it to the bottom of the list, you'll be at the starting point of what I would consider "well read". You'll also have received a better education than 90% of college graduates.
Oh, one more thing. The biggest weakness of Adler and Van Doren's list is that it's very Eurocentric, so be sure to read some works outside the Western canon as well.
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Maybe try another McCarthy book if you liked his style, No Country for Old Men perhaps?
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I saw somewhere that No Country for Old Men was meant to be a screenplay so it's not a super enjoyable read as it's mostly dialogue but I did like The Road so I'll definitely add it to my list and look into more of his stuff. Have you read it?
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No Country for Old Men is my favorite McCarthy book, it's got a lot of monologues but it is not in any way a screenplay. IMO it is his best storytelling work.
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No, not yet, Blood Meridian is my first McCarthy book, but NCFOM always pops among McCarthy recommendations.
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Never read anything in my entire life, and I am not about to start.
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My all time fav book is Burning Chrome, William Gibson's short stories. They're all exceptional imo.
Neuromancer is my fav novel but it's not really lit.
For real books it's The Loved One by Waugh, or Heart of Darkness
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Do you like fake genres like sci-fi?
One of my favorite books is Starfish by Peter Watts
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Not really but I could try it. Never rly enjoyed sci fi when I was younger and the genre was popular but I'll look into it
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Favorite books are absurdly long fantasy series, 10+ books.
My favorite being The Wandering Inn, a slice-of-life epic that is a contender for longest piece of literature in the world.
Since you probably won't want that, any of Albert Camus novels. I'm also reading Alan Watts right now if you want some zen philosophy.
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Norm Macdonald's Based on a True Story: A Memoir.
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Journey to the End of Night by Ferdinand Celine
Life and Fate by Vasily Grossman
Imajica by Clive Barker
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White Noise, V, Anathema, The Trial, Infinite Jest, etc
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The modern LGBT movement, regardless of your moral compass, is a glimpse of the ideal in a dystopian capitalist technocracy.
They signify the quintessential consumer, one who's identity is derived from the brands, movies, fashion, gay clubs etc. in a symbiotic relationship with the capitalist system, as opposed to previous organic identities derived from Tradition.
A trans person, for instance, is a being who lives, day to day, on a cocktail of hormone pills & ointments, whose life is punctuated suddenly by a series of violent surgical interventions, all designed to make of them a man or woman. This is the end of our civilizational narrative concerning the sexes (and indeed all identity).
Traditional, organic identities have been replaced by synthetic, disaggregated attributes (hormone level, facial structure, sexual organ etc.)
Now that man as such has been replaced in his war-making capacity by the genderless professional soldier (drone) & woman in her child-bearing capacity is to be replaced by the artificial womb, what are we left with but disembodied attributes?
This is in line with the nature of unfettered Capitalism. To unfettered capitalism, all forms of tradition and and identity are limits to commodification. It's nature is to take limits and turn them into barriers to overcome. Trying to maintain tradition or national identity within unfettered capitalism is like trying to force a river backwards.
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