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Woman reads "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" by John Grey from the 90s during the pandemic with her husband. Preceeds to post her :marseyl: and :marseywomanmoment2:

https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/a36136661/revisiting-men-are-from-mars-women-are-from-venus-quarantine

This pop psychology books premise is thus:

"Imagine that men are from Mars and women are from Venus. One day long ago the Martians, looking through their telescopes, discovered the Venusians. Just glimpsing the Venusians awakened feelings they had never known. They fell in love and quickly invented space travel and flew to Venus."

In the course of our joint study, Mark and I learned that while “Martians tend to pull away and silently think about what's bothering them, Venusians feel an instinctive need to talk about what's bothering them.” As if the book's central planetary metaphor weren't enough, Gray invokes, among others, a dragon, a cave, a wave, and a rubber band to describe how people tend to operate in heterosexual relationships. Women get advice on how to tell a story so it won't irritate her man. (Tell him the ending first.)

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Gray assures us that neither is superior. The entire premise is easier to absorb if you're a reader who puts stock in the phrase “the opposite s*x,” which we encountered so many times in the text that I started to wonder if Gray had popularized the phrase. Many shared eye rolls aside, Mark reported pleasant feelings of recognition.

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After all, in spite of well-meaning feminist parents, he'd been raised to act exactly as Gray anticipated, and so had I. Mark mostly agreed with Gray's assertion that a “man's deepest fear is that he is not good enough or that he is incompetent.” In the margin next to that same sentence in my copy, I'd written “lol.”

What a bword lmao :marseysmug3:

Things got worse. Mark surprised himself by appreciating Gray's openness about men's sensitivities and recognized the cultural messages that teach men to avoid sharing what's inside. At times, Gray verged on the profound. (“Not to be needed is a slow death for a man.”) Mark admitted that he agreed with Gray about men's outsize need to be trusted. He chafed when I asked if he'd washed his hands after coming back from the store. “Can't you trust me with basic hygiene?” he reasonably wanted to know. (I could not. It's a pandemic!)

:marseywall: :marseywall: :soycry:

“Not all messages have to speak to all people at all times.” I, on the other hand, found myself feeling afflicted every time I encountered any good advice (when someone says they're “fine,” believe them until they say otherwise? impossible), and it wasn't just because I felt caricatured. (I do not, in fact, enjoy shopping!) It was also that the snob in me didn't want these dicta to apply to my life. I'm not a simple creature. I am a skeptic. I subscribe to The New York Review of Books, for God's sake!

:marseyrofl: :marseysob: :!marseyrofl:

If I were to seek advice on my marriage at all, it would be from someone with better taste in fonts.

:marseyshapiro:

And MANY MORE BAD TAKES lol :marseyhappy2:

!chuds !nonchuds

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Lmfao. So basically its the moid appreciates the book spelling out how it actually is to be a moid, while the foid also realises that theres truths, but feels the desperate need to be special and unique so she searches for any excuse to reject it.

Good morning i hate women so goddarn fricking much :#marseygoodnight:

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Sometimes i feel like a little b-word because society has succeeded in removing "are you r-slurred?" from my oral vocabulary. The world was better when i could be myself.

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Start adding it back in. Reclaim your being.

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He's taking it back.

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be the change, comrade!

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zoz

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zle

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zozzle

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This is exactly like black people being allowed to use the no-no word.

R-slur is OUR word. Our oppressors can't take it from us. We can use it whenever we want, King.

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Oh man you skipped the good part. She interviews the author.

He called the notion that gender is a mutable concept “nonsense.” But when I asked him about how his books might apply to trans, nonbinary, or gay readers, he displayed no animus toward those readers at all, beyond pointing out that his books are really written for cisgender (my word, not his) heterosexual couples. Any benefit to relationships between people other than cisgender men and women from his books or seminars would be wonderful but incidental. The conversation had the uncomfortable feeling of talking to a friend's dad who had just misgendered someone without meaning to.

What a c*nt lmao

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Gender being immutable should be the basis of gender theory, otherwise conversion therapy would work and trans women wouldn't resist decades of enviromental conditioning

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!transphobes did this author commit a heckin genocide?

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lol pretty much expected :marseytransattentionseeker: from reading the post without that part just from this:

Gray assures us that neither is superior. The entire premise is easier to absorb if you're a reader who puts stock in the phrase “the opposite s*x,” which we encountered so many times in the text that I started to wonder if Gray had popularized the phrase. Many shared eye rolls aside, Mark reported pleasant feelings of recognition.

:#shutupmale:

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neither is superior.

He didn't get the memo that the future is female

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yes and thats a good thing

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:#marseyagree: :#marseytrans2genocide::#marseyagree:

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Yes and it is glorious

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"Why are people from a time when more people were in relationships not smart enough to do it the Nu Way?"

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The conversation had the uncomfortable feeling of talking to a friend's dad who had just misgendered someone without meaning to.

Aka "im mad because hes a certified bad person because he doesnt center lgbtqfp+ but he behaved completely pleasant so i dont know how to spin it to make him look bad"

Very foid-like behavior, have to give him that.

Edit: turns out the author is a legacy bonus hole lol

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The conversation had the uncomfortable feeling of talking to a friend's dad who had just misgendered someone without meaning to.

Libs are mentally ill, example #6751234. Normal people are able to easily ignore honest mistakes because that's the only way everyone keeps getting along.

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>Woman r-

On to the next post :#gigachad3:

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(after farming DC with a fun comment)

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!slots 100

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there, it's all gone now

:#marseycoomer:

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Oh hey, I know lots of this woman

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It was also that the snob in me didn't want these dicta to apply to my life.

It genuinely is amazing how little self-reflection she's capable of. Also how she never realised her husband was a full person too.

Perel is the thinking person's pop psychologist.

I already knew that book was shit, but this woman's obvious admiration for her work confirms it

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Isn't Perel the woman who encourages people to have s*x outside marriage if their needs aren't “met”? They're doomed :marseywomanmoment:

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Doesn't this work for Italian and other latins? Also, I remember hearing about japs fricking whores with the boys and the whites who marry them seething. Maybe it works then?

When you get caught, you shouldn't be pointing at the book as an excuse though, it should just be accepted based on the expectations you've set, and the value of your relationship having room for cheating (if that is possible). (thanks for the readability check Tabby)

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Nope. Latin men may try to sniff around outside the home more than they should, but it sure as heck isn't sanctioned by any of the married women involved, and heck is always raised when they're found out. Open marriages are not a cultural ‘thing.'

Also Perel isn't the author of this book, and isn't Latin either, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

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Men : no matter what you are told NEVER, ever share your “feelings” no matter how encouraged you are. Women think they want it but remember women are r-slurs and should never be trusted.

Pack all your feelings down tight into that black pit that exists where your heart should be and only let them out on days that you're really really angry about something.


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It is okay to share your feelings with your guy friends.

:#marseysipping:


:#marseydisintegrate: :!#marseyflamewar::space::!marseyagree:

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No, that's even worse. Sharing your weaknesses with other men only leaves you vulnerable.


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Based and truthpilled

END WOMEN'S RIGHTS

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They do want giggachad to be dependent on them, and cry on their shoulder, but by doing so, you stop being gigachad. Sexuality focused on the other as an image which must be met is a poison.

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:marseygoodnight:

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She can frick off, that book unironically saved my marriage, possibly and my life

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Details? :marseygossipshock:

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its a useful book is all im sayin

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>I am a skeptic. I subscribe to The New York Review of Books, for God's sake!

Holy shit. I don't think there's any sarcasm or self awareness in this statement.

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seems your subscribed to this rag. I ain't paying for this shit, drop an unpaywalled link.

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It's called Snappy r-slur

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Snappy is for smug sentience and soying out over.

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!lgbt Reason #583 that strags and cute butches are superior to straggots, we don't rely on r-slurred pop psychology books to fix our relationships :marseysalutepride:

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r-slurred pop psychology books are good actually. People just don't THINK. They have no internal narrative. Their empathy is intuitive but easily overwhelmed or tricked.

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Just good old fashioned percussive maintenance

:marseyterfdomesticabuse:

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:#marseyaceofspades:

Snapshots:

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>“Martians tend to pull away and silently think about what's bothering them, Venusians feel an instinctive need to talk about what's bothering them.”

The frick? If anything it's the OPPOSITE with men and women…

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>In the margin next to that same sentence in my copy, I'd written “lol.”

She writes on books, I immediately disregard everything she says. Barbarian behavior.

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I am a skeptic. I subscribe to The New York Review of Books, for God's sake!

Parody

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