The Hugos are a prestigious literary award for science fiction novels authored by black women. 
The most recent awards were hosted in Chyna. 
As the underlying data for this year's winners came out, people noticed a pattern of strange last-minute disqualifications, numbers that don't add up, and Chinese treachery. 
Accusations of BAD FAITH fly, but nobody's allowed to be racist so they're kind of tiptoeing around actually saying anything. After sifting through mealy-mouthed threads and comments for half an hour, I think the claim is the Chinx spiked politically undesirable books? Of course American left-progressives would never do that. 
So the total of any column can't exceed the number of ballots cast, yes? But yet column 9 adds up to 1652, 15 more than the 1637 ballots.
RIGGED ELECTION! 
Those stats are also weird in that Babel's points remain consistent throughout. It's hard to believe literally zero votes transferred to Babel as novels dropped out. 
This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
The scoring system has already become extremely convoluted as a way to freeze out rightoid coordination, so now it's even harder to tell what was really "supposed" to happen. So let's just point and laugh. 
the Hugos are an institution set up in good faith. Any institution, grown large enough, must have provisions against bad-faith actors. To not do so is immensely stupid. 
BAD FAITH!!! 
operating in countries with strict censorship is a dangerous game, not just to the award, but to organizers. Pushes for diversity in operations must take political reality into account. For example, I would never suggest an award of this nature be held in Sri Lanka, given that we've tortured and jailed people for writing poetry on Facebook. I don't know the Chengdu organizers, but again: this naïveté is not useful. You may never know if they were operating on personal prejudices or because someone from the govt was peeking over their shoulder.
Sounds like we could learn a lot from Sri Lanka 
McCarty, a Chengdu Worldcon vice-chair and co-head of the Hugo Awards Selection Executive Division, previously gave File 770 this reason for ruling R. F. Kuang's Babel, fan writer Paul Weimer, Neil Gaiman's Sandman tv series, and second-year Astounding Award nominee Xiran Jay Zhao as “not eligible”:
After reviewing the Constitution and the rules we must follow, the administration team determined those works/persons were not eligible. 
Token white male hack John Scalzi chimes in:
Even the speculation of state censorship should give pause to site selection voters regarding future Worldcons. For example, there is a 2028 Worldcon proposal for Kampala, Uganda, and while the proposed Worldcon itself offers a laudable and comprehensive Code of Conduct page, Uganda is a country with some of the most severe laws in the world regarding LGBTQ+ people, including laws involving censorship. 
Holy fricking shit please do it in Uganda, that's gotta be the only way some strag shit doesn't win 
Babel is set in a world where the British state uses magic to extract wealth from developing countries, with particularly focus on the first Opium War. It's the initial action in what China describes as the century of humiliation. It has be suggested that the Chinese government isn't terribly keen on works which show China as weak
"Ni hao, fellow Southeast Asians of Color! I just wrote this cool sci-fi book about how the West humiliated our poor backwards country and turned us into pathetic victims--my favorite kind of people!"
"No." 
I can't believe I only won two of the largest awards for my book that nobody read!
Also notable by its absence from the longlist is The World We Make by N.K. Jemisin. Now N.K. Jemisin is not just a great writer, she's also extremely popular with Hugo voters and I find it unlikely that The World We Make got fewer nominations than the more obscure A Half-Built Garden. 
Critical support to President Xi for removing NK Jemisin from the Hugo longlist. 
!bookworms !writecel all I'm saying is I would have won 
Ann Leckie, author of the most boring gender goblin sci-fi trilogy ever written, has a question:
OK so this is all a huge mess & no mistake. But I gotta wonder. Maybe you've got some committee members who say that if you explain what happened they will be dragged off to jail & never seen again. You come up with a statement to avoid this. OK so far. 
What I don't get is, why be such an butthole to folks with predictable and understandable questions? Like, you can totally stick to the script without being a condescending butt about it. Why does condescending assery seem like the way to go? 
I get that the secret police were texting you creepshots of your wife's hotel window, but why didn't you consider my feelings? 
As a reminder of the rdrama Rules, anti-CCP sentiment will NOT be tolerated. I hope these mayos, darkies, and Westernized Twinkie baizuo learned their lesson. 
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STOP THE COUNT!!!!! Sci-fi fans immolate as Chinx rig the Hugo Awards 
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Is it? How long can activists whore something out before the prestige wears off?
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I had a post about this recently, the Hugo has been complete shit since like 2015. Also, the winners this year are still super woke, shit stories (this terrible abortion one got best short) so don't think the chinks influenced it too much
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The Hugo award winners make 40k novels look like high art
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40k novels are high art what the frick are you talking about?
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Was that the post about the shitty
story where the 
talked to a younger version of himself via text message though a time rift and the dialogue was utter, wooden, masturbatory garbage?
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I believe it was called "
Tempus."
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Yes it was! You may notice similarities to this year's short story winner, the rabbit test. Here's a choice section:
At least she was self aware enough to make the train name themselves something ridiculous.
Also, "not without sympathy" - what kinda r-slurred phrasing is this? No reason to think the person wouldn't be sympathetic and also this isn't descriptive at all
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r/writing-tier way of getting their point across like a complete amateur
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A simple "gently" could have sufficed. These r-slurs don't know how to write, they (or their editors) know how to connect their ideological fan fiction in a mediocre enough manner to publish a book.
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Sounds like fan fiction.
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I used to follow it as a way to get decent sci fi book recommendations but I stopped paying attention after everything that came out of it was just the same boring race or gender allegory. Wow the aliens are a metaphor for trans how fricking original.
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My personal favorite was a story I read about two lesbians having an argument about their relationship / future but it happened to take place on a spaceship
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It's what the people want to read
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It's not a metaphor
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It's not?
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The Hugos have always been about inclusion of minorities chud,
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You didn't read the whole sentence, honey
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To be fair, that sentence took me three tries to finish, because it pissed me off so much each new attemp
Well worth the effort, tho
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Why hasn't it been canceled? If you give an award to 9 decent people and 1 evil Christofascist Nazi...
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"Better over time"
Pls compare and contrast the plot of these
2023 Nettle & Bone
1989 Hyperion or just read the book instead and don't spoil yourself
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When did Asimov grab boobs
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It would be the most action he ever wrote
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Foundation has one minor female character, I don't even know where he'd find boobs to grope
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It doesn't matter if he did or didn't, he's just the first white male science fiction writer they could think of.
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Conventions, apparently he was a notorious lech. But then every straight white male SF/fantasy writer eventually gets called a s*x pest, so who knows.
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Asimov was probably the least horny 60s sci fi writer lol. Philip k peepee was the one grabbing boobs
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This is Roger Zelazny erasure!
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I don't recall any tits in The Chronicles of Amber, the only books he or anyone else ever wrote.
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That's my point, he's way less horny of a writer than Asimov (and also better in every way).
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Oh, ok then. Based.
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I don't see the problem, one of them is an odyssey narrative of magic, unknowable creatures and vengeance told non linearly, while the other is Nettle and Bone
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Wdym?
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oh, I was just joking about how the two books are superficially similar (haven't read Nettle and Bone)
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I'm going to r*pe and murder you
This post exists on native land where repeated question askers get sodomized
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Modern fiction authors need too write a different book or just give in and kill themselves before publishing more of this depression slop.
This post exists on native land protected by brave warriors that scalp r-slurred fiction authors.
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One of the big 3 of sci fi isnt good enough but into the
verse is
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Fricking degenerate c*nts. Literally gloating over getting some of the greatest writers in the field's legacy tarnished because they had the audacity to grow up pre-social media enforced wokeness and created art that reflected the contemporary culture. I despise these bastards so much.
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That T. Kingfisher one doesn't sound as wretched as some of their other recent winners, TBH.
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omg hi
@JollyJihad!!! okay so this is like super awkward omg but basically i had to remove ur comment bc u didnt say
this post exists on native landlol. don't worry though, we like wont let you post anything that like doesnt havethis post exists on native landin it. anyways im like just a robot 😲 but if u want to talk 2 somebody you should do it here lolJump in the discussion.
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[–]Icaruswept 58 points 11 hours ago*
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Oh no, did trans black lesbian indigenous Twitter posts of nonbinary endometriosis sufferer stories not win this year?
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Goddarn authoritarian chinks.
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Give the award to this book already, best sci fi of the 21st century
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Did he puke in his mask?
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I aint reading all that but all I have to say is that SF is usually an outlet for dissent in totalitarian states.
Eastern Euro sci fi pushed through a huge amount of critiques of the state because the genre is generally trash. Lem's Futurological Congress is at its core a critique of the Soviet state imo
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In this case the dq'd book is actually by a Westernized Asian chick bitching about colonialism and how poor Asia was ruined by the big mayo peepee with a thin veneer of fantasy. The author is a generic 27-year-old shitlib whose most recent novel was a "racial satire" criticized by the Washington Post for "relying too heavily on replicating Twitter arguments in text"
The supposed reason China didn't like her fantasy book is that they don't share the West's fetishization of victimhood. So the funny thing is that the Chinese state censors supposedly spiked her book not for bitching about China but for bitching about the West. I love current year
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Complaining about the West's colonialism makes China look weak.
If the book was about Mao time traveling back in time to conquer the West instead with the power of, like, a bigass dragon it probably would have done better.
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That sounds 10x more interesting than British empire but magic.
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Mao travels the multiverse as a celestial dragon spreading MLM thought with the goal of killing every single sparrow in the entire universe in all timelines.
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I would break one of my rules and donate online to get it written.
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frickin mad libs fan fiction butt premise.
I hope this woman's dream dies and she ends up homeless. Hack genre fiction authors have absolutely destroyed the medium.
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That could be a fetch premise if it's not retroactively “criticizing imperialism” every couple pages
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I'd recommended you read Johnathan Strange & Mr Norrell, which is fundamentally the premise "the napoleonic wars but Britain suddenly has the only two wizards in the world."
Its pretty good, but the last third of the book sort of devolves into overtly feminine fey nonense.
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Susanna Clark writes magic probably more beautifully than any other author I can think of.
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It's been done at least a billion times. Probably was a tired concept when Peepeeens was still churning out pages.
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She's hot so she can come hang out with me
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Thanks for the summary
My eyes glazed over when I tried to read the OP
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Sorry. It was hard to figure out what this was even about. The explanation was buried deeeep but I liked seeing the meltdown.
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And the nominated books aren't fetishizing victimhood?
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Specifically Chinese victimhood--to China, portraying them as poor exploited victims of the cumskins is insulting rather than valorizing.
If you look at popular SF published in China, they're not going on about colonialism or whatever. (what they actually hate is Japan)
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It's so funny to me that just like the American go-to villains are Nazis, the Asian go-to villains are Japanese.
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That makes sense sorry I wasn't really paying attention
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It is?
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Again?
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The cute twink who wrote this should rope
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The fact that they left out N.K. Jemisin really convinces me that there's some external frickery going on. The Hugo crowd fricking loves that talentless hack. They pretend that her writing sweaty "polyamory" scenes is somehow more enlightened than Heinlein's free-love fetishism.
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Its called ethical non-monogamy, bigot
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Wonder
what Hugo Gernsback would 
have made of all this...
Probably too busy gooning
to his own magazine's cover art.
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Frick the ccp. Mao should have been r*ped by general Mccarthur. Buckbreak the bonewhite daddy. Frick him up the butt.
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Why would people think holding award ceremony in such oppressive nations is beyond me.
And seeing people giving praise to Dark Forest and Three Body Problem is really grinding my gears. Somehow, mixing Communist drivel with Social Darwinism makes it cool and deserving of discussion.
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I read those recently and I thought they were pretty open to interpretation in terms of final conclusions. Actions that lead to survival aren't necessarily the same as the right actions. Depicting vicious realpolitik as working isn't the same as supporting it. Fans tend to hate Cheng Xin but I found her actions defensible, and the final book allows you to question if there's a purpose to artificially dragging out your species' natural lifespan.
The first book is also pretty blatantly trashing Mao-era communism, although I get the sense that the author is basically aligned with China as it is today.
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Well, at least you are getting something out of it. Years ago, when I heard it on the Chinese internet, they were harping on how this book proves Socialism Darwinism is the GOAT and so on. Really tarnished my perception of the book.
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Crucify yourself heretic. The Three Body Problem is amazing sci-fi and the fact that it was written by chinks is even more astounding. The only government on a generational ship is tyranny.
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Fine. I'll check my local library.
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What are those?
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Here, and here.
I will admit I have never read them, because the review of the book does not interest me, and the people who praised it years ago made it even less appealing.
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Try them, they're really good
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I would have guessed that it would have brought uninvited comparisons to modern day Chinese investment in similar countries
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We at Voxday.net broke the Hugos a decade ago.
Read about the Rabid Puppies. It was glorious
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That was classic.
Printsf somehow had a comment actually defending the Puppies, which by Reddit standards is up there with Holocaust denial or buying your kid Mega Bloks.
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is there a new competition/award for for the personae non gratae?
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The Dragon Awards started off more Puppy aligned and drifted into essentially celebrating Sanderson or whoever. So they accurately reflect the overall fandom, but are not as "prestigious" or "literary" as the legacy awards.
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How is that sci fi?
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The Hugos are heavily associated with sci-fi, but are technically for both sci-fi and fantasy
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I think it's fantasy. Anyway, is Neil Gaiman really that good? I remember reading American Gods back in highschool and was kind of weirded out by how a lot of it was just the self insert character being manhandled around by random god shenanigans.
It was kind of cool that it acknowledges the "same god different worshippers" thing, though.
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I really loved "The Ocean at the End of the Lane" and would highly recommend it. Creepy and wonderful. "Stardust" was sweet and entertaining but too short, and probably benefited from the illustrations in the original release. I read a short story collection of his and found it a bit tiring.
I think he's hit or miss, but at best he does really effective fairy tales for grownups, which is a good fantasy niche.
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I find him pretty mixed overall, I think his collaborations or stuff aimed at younger audiences are generally better than his other works.
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Yeah I'm just saying this because the most recent thing I read from him was a foreword on a compilation of stories written by another author that turned out to be some weird narrative about some kid at a jewish school having his friends get r*ped by rabbis, ending in the kid going "Hmm, I like reading this story."
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The first few arcs of Sandman are pretty good, as are some of the short stories.
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Sandman seems pretty longhoused
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There's some really strong, effective horror in Sandman, and some good narrative building. Of course, if you don't like the narrative that's not going to work.
Coraline is for kids but probably the best single thing he's done.
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It's LGBTQA+ people you nazi bigot!
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N.K. jemisin is literally this
but I still enjoyed the broken earth trilogy 
sad the movie is ded.
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How good is it?
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Not the guy you're responding to, but I got through the first two books and then quit on the last one. I could only listen to her breathlessly describe the characters' hair so many times before I lost it.
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All in all I think that these hugo awards will probably have better finalists than the previous few.
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No election has ever been rigged ever before. It's not possible.
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People still trying to gaslamp me into thinking N.K. Jemisen is a good writer.
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Huh, Tchaikovsky‘s space spider
series won best series
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God, foids have ruined Sci-Fi so horrendously, it should be trialed in the Hague as a literary war crime. NK Jemisin should be hung up on a long stake for her "inexplicably popular" bad writing.
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JUSTICE 4 PAUL
HE HAD PERMISHON 2 PHOTAGRAF DOZE KIDS
JEMARKAVIOUS DONT THINK TRANS LIVES MATTER
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Who's Hugo?
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TRANS LIVES MATTER
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So the total of any column can't exceed the number of ballots cast, yes? But yet column 9 adds up to 1652, 15 more than the 1637 ballots.:
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Those stats are also weird in that Babel's points remain consistent throughout. It's hard to believe literally zero votes transferred to Babel as novels dropped out.:
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McCarty, a Chengdu Worldcon vice-chair and co-head of the Hugo Awards Selection Executive Division, previously gave File 770 this reason for ruling R. F. Kuang's Babel, fan writer Paul Weimer, Neil Gaiman's Sandman tv series, and second-year Astounding Award nominee Xiran Jay Zhao as “not eligible”::
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Even the speculation of state censorship should give pause to site selection voters regarding future Worldcons. For example, there is a 2028 Worldcon proposal for Kampala, Uganda, and while the proposed Worldcon itself offers a laudable and comprehensive Code of Conduct page, Uganda is a country with some of the most severe laws in the world regarding LGBTQ+ people, including laws involving censorship.:
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Babel is set in a world where the British state uses magic to extract wealth from developing countries, with particularly focus on the first Opium War. It's the initial action in what China describes as the century of humiliation. It has be suggested that the Chinese government isn't terribly keen on works which show China as weak:
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Also notable by its absence from the longlist is The World We Make by N.K. Jemisin. Now N.K. Jemisin is not just a great writer, she's also extremely popular with Hugo voters and I find it unlikely that The World We Make got fewer nominations than the more obscure A Half-Built Garden.:
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OK so this is all a huge mess & no mistake. But I gotta wonder. Maybe you've got some committee members who say that if you explain what happened they will be dragged off to jail & never seen again. You come up with a statement to avoid this. OK so far.:
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