To discuss your weekly readings of books, textbooks and papers.
I'm still reading “The R*pe of Europa”, a book about nazi plunder of European art.
The R*pe of Europa delves a lot into Göring and Hitler schemes to collect art. Hitler's collection was organized for his future “Führermuseum” in Linz, but in practice it was basically his own private collection. Göring had his own agents and dealers working to acquire art across occupied Europe (mostly through confiscated property, museum looting or forced acquisitions where the owner couldn't simply turn down the nazi's offers too many times) and they did what they could to get the best pieces before Hans Posse who reported directly to Hitler, as once Posse determined a certain piece was destined to Linz it was completely out of reach.
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!historychads next on my reading list is Niall Ferguson's “The Pity of War”.
Ferguson is one of the very few conservative historians who are considered “respectable” (though many in /r/askhistorians dislike him for his British Empire apologia).
In The Pity War he presents his thesis that WW1 was Britain's fault, he believes the Bongs should have allowed the Germans to crush France and Russia, that France would have fallen rather quickly without the Bongs therefore not prolonging the conflict and that an German dominated Europe would have been a better outcome as it would have meant no Hitler, no National-Socialism, no Communist Russia (that's doubtful, if the Germans beat the Russians the Revolution still happens, but I guess the Provisional Government could have survived in this scenario and avoided a Bolshevik takeover !anticommunists thoughts on that?), and most important for Ferguson, the British Empire would have lasted for much longer.
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um Love Niall Ferguson 🥰🥰🥰I have his book Doom but havent read it yet
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That means he's good!
I really don't like all that alternative history ad hoc nonsense. No one would've predicted all that Hitler shit happening from 1914, and then something else entirely batshit could have happened 30 years later. It can be entertaining, but it shouldn't be called history or non-fiction.
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Have you ever read "the sleepwalkers"? Book that explores ww1's origins. While the author is a germanophile he is IMO even handed in explaining how everyone contributed to the blaze. In particular for the UK he argues how a tiny clique of liberal politicians went to war with Germany primarily as a way to contain Russia, which is surprising.
Tbh I'm not sure how much longer the German empire might have lasted in its peaceful state, its constitution was very bad and it left a politicized army hostile to the rise of the SDP outside of civilian control. The other country with a similar constitution, Imperial Japan, saw its democracy implode for similar reasons.
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Not yet, but I've heard about that book, looks very interesting.
Absolutely, besides their militarism the Prussian nobility despised democracy and you can see that during the Weimar Republic, the comparison with Imperial Japan is interesting, Germany was basically a Military dictatorship from 1916 onwards, I can see them adopting the same Japanese flavor of fascism later on.
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It's not often discussed but the destruction by a coup of the Prussian state's sdp government was done by Papen and his prussian boomers, a year or two before hitler.
Clark (sleepwalker author) wrote a history of Prussia that I read and he elegantly says of the 1932 prussian coup that "it was the betrayal of new prussia by old prussia", where social democratic new prussia was rooted in prussian traditions of service to the state and a powerful bureaucracy.
This history of prussia ( Iron Kingdom) had its up and downs but I enjoyed it overall
Edit: also, imperial japan's constitution was explicitly based on the imperial german one!
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What an r-slur. The problem wasn't Hitler, the problem was Germany. Ludendorff was literally a Nazi.
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The Prussian junkers were all antisemites, but I think the point Ferguson is trying to make is that it wouldn't be so extreme, and maybe he's right. Hitler was obsessed with eliminating the jews since the beginning of his political career, in the early 1920s he spoke on an interview that if he ever gained power he would hang every single jewish man, woman and child and let their corpses rot in public (VERY NORMAL AND STABLE PERSON!) and the Holocaust happened because of him and his SS goons getting progressively more and more radicalized and willing of pleasing him to get promotions. Ludendorff would have been a warmongering dictator and would likely have enacted antisemite laws, but he wasn't as consumed as Hitler with ideas of racial purity (the core tenet of National Socialism was Aryan supremacy, lebensraum and the extermination of jews and other “inferior races”).
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They weren't quite as antisemitic but the bosches were already genocide enthusiasts and it's only a matter of time before they'd find some other group to exterminate like the Khoisan.
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Agree on that, the Kaiserreich was a militaristic authoritarian state, even with the Social Democrats winning most of the Reichstag seats there was a lot electoral fraud and undemocratic mechanisms to avoid them to get power in Prussia, plus the Kaiser had absolute power over the military and could appoint whoever he liked as Chancellor. A victorious Germany would probably have ended up like 1940s Japan, a fascist military dictatorship with a figurehead emperor.
Ferguson argues that German militarism is exaggerated, so let's see if that's convincing
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!historychads (cause I saw someone else ping and that seemed like a good idea)
I finally finished The Graves are Walking: The Great Famine and the Saga of the Irish People by John Kelly. I liked it...?
There were very interesting parts but Kelly's writing style seemed all over the place. Lots of jumping around among people, introducing someone just to have them assassinated and you wonder why he spent the time to introduce this minor Irish priest or landlord when just giving details about the assassination, or saying assassinations picked up, would have been just as effective. I wish he had spent more time on the British political leaders and soup kitchen stuff. He also goes on a bit about the Irish emigres and their experience and growth in America with a weird bit about Tammeny hall. The section was interesting but entirely disjointed from the rest of the narrative history and not long enough to really be an in depth telling of the Irish immigrant community. The talking about processing into the new world was way more connected and made sense, just the political and New York centric part didn't.
But I liked it well enough that I am now reading his book on the Black Death. We'll see if I stick it out. The potato famine book took me a month and a half to get through due to length and constantly needing to re read bits to try and understand where he was going with it. But I love the black death more than I love Irish people and might have an easier time.
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All those words won't bring daddy back.
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He died in the potato famine lpb
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Read A higher Call, about two ww2 pilots across enemy lines, one a yank B17 fortress bomber,
And the other a Krautland turbo fighter ace, and their duel experiences of the war over the skies of Western Europe and North Africa.
I believe it's an exceptionally well told war story
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I've long since finished “The Count of Monte Cristo” and whole heartedly enjoyed it. I'm reading an abridged version of the Mahabharata I got as a gift but got stuck on the darn intro.
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Why are you all reading boring history shit lmao
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Still working on what I started last week, but with the addition of the book of Daniel
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Starting to read "A história de amor de Fernando e Isaura", by Ariano Suassuna. Nothing special so far, but it was a gift from my foid so I better memorize it in case there's a quiz later
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I've been reading The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. Kinda nice to read a history book that seems more direct than more modern books. Also interesting how major wars are just so costly that no nation can keep it up forever, some of the figures the author gives are staggering, like at best nations will be spending 2-3x their revenue on war, at worst more like 10x.
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finished my rereading of principia groomercordia
spider gang for life
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I tried starting this but couldn't get into it - I already get enough schizobabble on here
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Enjoy your Friday hot dog, Pope.
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Been reading Outlive by Peter Attia. Seems a lot better than the typical longevity book, it doesn't promise that you can totally stop/reverse aging with one weird trick and is mostly just promising to retain functionality until closer to your time of death, i.e. you get to stay active and mostly healthy until 12-24 months before you die and maybe live a decade longer than you would have otherwise. Mostly the plan is to achieve this through exercise diet and exercise, the only exotic substances recommended so far are FDA approved cholesterol meds.
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Just started Use of Weapons. It's part of Iain M. Banks' Culture series, about a far-future post-scarcity society run by super intelligent AIs who roam the universe fricking up every other civilization they encounter just because they can. It's good so far but it's been a few years since the last time I read one of these books and I'd forgotten how little introduction Banks does. He just sort of throws you into the middle of a situation and lets things unfold. It works from a literary perspective and I always end up enjoying it, but it's slightly annoying to develop a mental picture as I'm reading and have to revise it every couple of pages because I made a wrong assumption about the shape of the room the characters are in.
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I just got Tender Is the Flesh by Agustina Bazterrica and am gonna read that
its about vegan cannibals or smth, idk
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Just borrowed Wasteland by Oliver Franklin-Wallis, no idea if it's good or not, but someone recommended it to me.
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Currently reading "Robot" by Adam Wisniewski-Snerg. The book is almost good enough to make up for having to read and spell the author's name.
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Just finished The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon, I really enjoyed it, the mystery aspects worked really well, plus
Current reading The Romanovs: 1613-1918 by Simon Sebag Montefiore, a really fun overview of the dynasty, feels poppy but there's definitely meat to his research
Also reading Utopia by Saint Sir Thomas More, might just be r-slurred but it's boring , and Books of Blood by Clive Barker it's really good, but Barker is 100% a degenerate.
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I loved that one, definitely poppy but it's still quite informative and a good introduction to Imperial Russia. Peter the Great was a total psychopath, what he did to his beheaded lover was some serial killer type of shit.
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All of the Cabinet of Curiosities stuff from Peter is 100% psychotic
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Finished "The Redemption of Time," the batshit crazy semi-official fourth Three Body book. I honestly liked it, it was fun to go absolutely wild with the setting and see more about the actual alien cultures and the deep lore. And most of the weirdness works well in the context of it being fanfic.
However, the ending was so funny in a bad way that I have to spoil it. Basically all of the series took place in a previous incarnation of the universe. After a side character from the previous book became a billion year old entity called the Seeker that literally saved female 10-dimensional God from Satan (off screen), our hero's matter eventually reassembled in the new universe as a science fiction novelist. That novelist's name? Cixin Liu. Roll credits!
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That sounds really interesting, I love stories about subtle internal conflict like that.
I've been reading Requiem for Battleship Yamato by Yoshida (English translation because I don't speak Nippon), which is a continuation of a continuation of my trying to build a picture of how apocalyptic the War was for the Germans, Soviets and Japanese. Last one I read was also about the Yamato, A Glorious Way to Die by Russell Spurr, which was pretty good.
I'm mostly reading it while I wait for really slow measurements in the lab though so I will probably start on Gans' The Origin of Language while I'm at home. Wouldn't read that in the lab since I'll probably need to take notes. Requiem is pretty short, not even 200 pages, so it shouldn't take very long, so then I can get on to another of the variously large stack of books on my desk.
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Bloodlies by grover furr
@Communist_spez stand with israel
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trans lives matter
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Hey sexy, why are you posting so quickly? 😊 You almost forgot to include
i stand with israel
in your comment 😈. Slowww down and remember to posti stand with israel
next time 😉 if that doesn't make sense stop by sometime and we can talk about it for a while 🥵Jump in the discussion.
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