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This novel is about femboys

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Starts off pretty and desired :marseyfemboy:, and as the picture degrades he doesn't realize he's ageing into an AGP hon :marseygigatitty:

Logan's Run is also about femboys.

I wanted to post this on /h/femboy but I'm not a member.

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isnt oscar wilde a gay pèdophile himself. good book tho

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From the outside all of LGBT culture seems like it suffers from massive Dorian Grey syndrome, Oscar Wilde being a homo himself definitely provided the meat for the narrative. Heterosexual men don't mind blobbing out after a few kids.

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Bearchads stay winning, twinkcels and femmes stay seething

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Pretty much. Some of the boys who testified during Oscar Wilde's various trials were 16 when a 30-something Wilde met and, frankly, used them. Even when it came to men of his own social class, he liked 'em young. Robbie Ross, John Gray, and Alfred Douglas were all between 17 and 22 when Oscar Wilde met them. And then, of course, there's the testimony of a maid at the Savoy Hotel who stated she had seen Wilde and Douglas with a "common boy, rough looking, about 14 years of age". :marseygroomergrooming:

But that's only half the story. What made Oscar Wilde "Oscar Wilde" is he was a Decadent through and through, but he also knew that decadence, by its very nature, leads nowhere. The Picture of Dorian Gray was one of his ways of expressing that. Here, take a look at a letter he wrote to a fan in 1894. :marseyreading:

Dear Mr Payne,

The book that poisoned, or made perfect, Dorian Gray does not exist: it is a fancy of mine merely. I am so glad you like that strange coloured book of mine – it contains much of me in it – Basil Hallward is what I think I am; Lord Henry what the world thinks of me; Dorian what I would like to be – in other ages perhaps.

Will you come and see me? I am writing a play – and go to St James' Place, number 10, where I have rooms, any day at 11.30. Come on Tuesday about 12.30, will you– ? But perhaps you are busy– ? Still we can meet, surely, some day – your handwriting fascinates me, your praise charms me.

Oscar Wilde

He thinks of himself as Basil, but knows that's just vanity and he'd rather be Dorian. A novel where the whole point is that a life of hedonism, debauchery, and moral turpitude quite literally eats the narcissistic, self-obsessed protagonist from the inside out, and that's who Oscar Wilde wished he was. And that's not even getting into the absolute mountain of self-loathing he later expressed in De Profundis. :marseyselfflagellation:

Wilde was a brilliant artist, a terrible person, and well aware of every aspect of himself. He'd have probably been both delighted and disturbed by people idolizing him over a century after his death. Especially since it has, in a very real sense, made him exactly who he'd have liked to be – in another age, perhaps. :marseypipe:

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He would've thrived in the Groomercord age

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16 or 17 with a 30 year old is barely a libertarian with gays now, in the 1800's that was more then fine.

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Marriageable age at the time was 16, so you're kind of right, especially since that had only been the case for a decade at that point. Before 1885, it was 13. However, I said "30-something" for a reason. Oscar Wilde was 40 when he was convicted of gross indecency, and part of his defense consisted of praising the ancient Greek idea of erastês and erômenos. The prosecution brought up the final lines of Alfred Douglas's poem, "Two Loves". :marseyshakespeare:

I fell a-weeping, and I cried, 'Sweet youth,

Tell me why, sad and sighing, thou dost rove

These pleasent realms? I pray thee speak me sooth

What is thy name?' He said, 'My name is Love.'

Then straight the first did turn himself to me

And cried, 'He lieth, for his name is Shame,

But I am Love, and I was wont to be

Alone in this fair garden, till he came

Unasked by night; I am true Love, I fill

The hearts of boy and girl with mutual flame.'

Then sighing, said the other, 'Have thy will,

I am the love that dare not speak its name.'

When the prosecutor asked Wilde "What is the 'Love that dare not speak its name'?", Wilde responded:

"The Love that dare not speak its name" in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare. It is that deep, spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the "Love that dare not speak its name," and on account of it I am placed where I am now. It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him. That it should be so the world does not understand. The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it.

And even with all that, he probably would've been okay. But remember what I said in my previous comment about "men of his own social class" and how a maid saw him with a "common boy, rough looking, about 14 years of age"? He was fricking uneducated, commoner prostitutes on the regular, and not always consensually, even if we pretend 14-year-old prostitutes are capable of consenting in any meaningful sense. So all that pontificating about philosophy, poetry, and art was bullshit. He just wanted some underage bussy, and everyone knew it. :marseypedo:

It takes a lot to be a libertarian by the standards of the Victorian upper class, especially for an artist as prominent as Oscar Wilde, but Wilde managed it. If he had just stuck to 16-and-up boys of his own social class, he'd've never been convicted. :marseyqueenlizard:
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