https://x.com/eigenrobot/status/1757506089820815535
(its sweet and well-intentioned people kicking off retarded purity spirals over and over again and thereby enabling the very people i am trying to avoid by coming to twitter dot com)
— eigenrobot (@eigenrobot) February 13, 2024
I understood none of these acronyms and I am now dumber for having attempted to make sense of this thread at all. Smells like cope, though.
Keep up the good fight, you furry bastard. 
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The thing is sometimes Sailer slips up
He wants to make like he is racist (race/IQ believer) solely and that that should not be called racism. But sometimes he will let it skip that he is also racist (hates Black people) yet this is not how he desires to present, I think.
Decent chance robot guy is an esoteric race/IQ believer, wants to avoid having the racism label in his general area?
A lot of this esoteric race/IQ believer stuff going around. E.g. Matty Yglesias I am quite sure believes it and is not as good at the esotericism as he thinks.
Me I think race/IQ could plausibly be a thing, but in fact there is not much to it today. But back when Neanderthals and other species of humans besides Sapiens were all around at the same time, race/IQ was real, and I would love to hear a Woke response to that if it wouldn't be impossible to get one beyond yelling
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The easiest counterargument is that race isn't a real thing. It's a social construction, not something inherited through genes.
You can talk about shared ancestry and degrees of genetic similarity. That's real. IQ has a heritable component. That seems given.
But race is at best only a proxy for that shared ancestry. Someone looking like someone else may or may not be an indicator of shared ancestry. Sort of like convergent evolution. Someone who is perceived as black may not actually share significant ancestry with other black folks. Some hapas look way more like one race than the other, but obviously their own IQ is likely in part some product of both their parents' lineages and not necessarily closer to the one they visually look more like.
I don't think the woke argument can go that direction, however, because it minimizes the importance of race. But more importantly, it acknowledges that some level of intelligence is hereditary, which is huge downer for a ton of educational initiatives aimed at improving performance. No one wants to admit that not everyone should go to college.
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social construct or not, a race is just a collection of bloodlines. you're born into a race by having parents of that race. if we arbitrarily declared 1000 random people to be a new race, and if for whatever reason they were shorter on average, their children would also be shorter on average.
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This is the most r-slurred counterargument also.
Consider the context, what kind of discussions this sort of arguments are used in. Someone points out that in the US blacks have like half of the average income of whites, which is obviously caused by racism, which is why we need Affirmative Action and anti-racist workshops in the workplace and the anti-racist baby book in school libraries.
Someone else points out that if you control for IQ, the correlation with race pretty much disappears. That is, same IQ cohorts of blacks and whites earn more or less the same money. Which means that since none of the above interventions even try to target the IQ disparity, much less have any sort of proven success at it, they are a colossal waste of effort that empower grifters to stoke racial animus.
At which point
@tejanx jumps in and explains that race is a social construct, so all those studies about racial differences in IQ are meaningless. The studies about racial differences in income are not meaningless, they are in fact super important. But you can't take the exact same social construct, the exact same populations of test subjects segregated by racial self-identification, and compute correlations between income and IQ. Income by race is cute and valid, IQ by race is pseudoscience like phrenology.
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We talk a lot about interrace IQ differences but not intrarace IQ differences. YTs got very lucky after they started getting piled together as one homogenous unit.
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Is the argument here effectively "there's no correlation between IQ and genetics because the word you use to describe broad genetic groups is made up"? You seem to be easily refuting in the second part of your comment what, in the first line, you called the "easiest counterargument" so I'm a bit confused.
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I'm saying that the "broad genetic groups" are not necessarily genetic groups at all. Take Mindy Kaling's brother. He passed as black to a medical school admissions committee. I would argue that there is no difference between passing as a race and being of that race because racial categorization is necessarily based on phenotype.
It would be wrong to say he had a greater chance of being low IQ because he appeared black. His ancestry was actually quite different, but that would not be apparent based on phenotype alone.
A better example might be achievement gaps within Asian populations. Take the Chinese immigrant community in the U.S. — changes in immigration policy over time have meant that the population traveling to the U.S. has changed markedly. The Chinese who built the railroads a century ago were poorer (and likely lower IQ), tending to come from the southern provinces, than the well-to-do Chinese arriving nowadays on student and H-1B visas, who now often come from the northeast of China. Some of those effects linger today (skilled migrants tend to be higher IQ than migrants who come over via family chain migration), but race flattens out that distinction between the two populations, who have somewhat different ancestries.
This is also why recent Nigerian immigrants to the U.S. tend to be fairly successful. Immigration policy has selected for them.
All that to say, within-group differences get elided when we talk about between-group racial differences, and I think the former tends to have a more solid connection to biology.
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All them words won't bring your pa back.
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Just because some r-slur admissions officer thought that OBVIOUS sexy Indian dude was a black doesn't mean he is. But even if you could "pass" as black, that doesn't make you black because you're simply wrong about race being based solely on phenotype. Modern conceptions of race consider national and ethnic origins and even social behaviour as well as phenotype.
This is pretty much all besides the point that in the conversation of race and IQ the term "race" is just a shorthand for different ethnicities and/or geographically located people. Perhaps haplogroups (idk this is getting too nerdshit for me) would be a more precise term, but not one that easily facilitates discussion.
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Shitty bait
Trans lives matter
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My second favorite thing Matty wrote (after the absolute banger of "I was not a victim of a knockout game because the blacks had not knocked me out in one punch and kept kicking me while I was on the ground"):
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I on the other hand am not an esoteric believer. I take IQ seriously, think IQ gaps exist, and trust the relevant experts that the gap is a mix of genetic and environmental.
I've been open about this for ages, but also, like, sailer is obviously racist as you say and I'm not gonna dance around just bc progs would try to throw the same at me
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