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Free will can't exist in a physical reductionist ontology. โ€œEmergenceโ€ is a confused cope. โ€œActually, even though everything is built off of particle interactions it's super hard to calculate so you basically have free willโ€ is self-evidently r-slurred. It's telling that materialists cling so hard to the possibility of free will even when it directly contradicts the foundation of their enslaving ideology. Maybe if they examine the psychological stress behind that contradiction and keep an open Mind they'll discover the Freedom that the Technological System has been hiding from them. !schizos

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I am pretty :marseyglam: sure the current argument :marseystrawman: is that the basement of reality, quantum foam is a truly random :marseycitrusshrug: substrate and we cannot prove or disprove it until all of physics :marseyschrodinger: is solved for

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Le โ€œemergent behavior confuses @Grue so it isn't le realโ€ BIPOC none of this is real go back too bed

@Grue love sucking peepee

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what do you think the answer to the free will question is?

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Three things are self-evidently true:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17181956405517912.webp

1. The material world is all that exists. The world of the mind can be fully reduced to the material world. All interactions in the universe, from the rotations of galaxies to the machinations of the mind are composed of particles and their interactions. fMRI studies clearly show that consciousness arises within the brain. Science works. The laws of physics are real.

2. The mathematical world is all that exists. The material world is only one small subset of a larger mathematical multiverse. Math works. The entire universe can be modelled as a mathematical structure. There is no reason why one mathematical structure should "exist" vs another. In reality, they all "exist". The Platonic world is not separate from the physical universe. All that we see is simply a small part of the larger Platonic reality. This very world is Shakyamuni's Pure Land, you just have to step out of Plato's cave to realize it.

3. The mental world is all that exists. Differentiating between "inside" and "outside" of the mind is ludicrous. Every single "thing" we see, whether material or mathematical, is seen through the Mind itself. You cannot escape Awareness as the ground of being. There is no transcendental reality outside the Mind, no thing-in-itself other than the One Thing: the Mind. The world is flat: "things" only exist in reference to the Mind. Magic works. The Law of Assumption is real. Every single culture across all of human history believed in the ability to manipulate probability by adjusting or using the mind in some way. You can verify that they were right about the unreality of the material universe through contemplative exercises.

This is the truth. I will not be cowed into believing in falsehoods. I will not waver from what is correct, self-evident and verifiable. !schizos out

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#3 Wittgenstein is going :marseysal2: to rise from the dead to kill you.

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Wrt #2

THE UNREASONABLE EFFECTIVENSS. OF MATHEMATICS IN THE NATURAL. SCIENCES

https://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~v1ranick/papers/wigner.pdf

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>The entire universe can be modelled as a mathematical structure.

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You people are unbearable.

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Thank you for enlightening me :prayinghands:

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Ma'am we've been over this before. You need to stop.

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Irrusion. Our brains lag and we think :marseyquestion: we made choices that were automatic.

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"Emergence" is gay and fake. That implies that consciousness is a result of physical processes, when in reality it's the other way around.

Emanationism (more closely related to Vedic, Pythagoreanism, Egyptian, or Platonism/Neo-Platonism) on the other hand is FAR more realistic than the common positions of atheist materialism OR religious creationism.

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Blah blah. Everything is wrong :marseygigathonk: except epiphenomenalism

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epiphenomenalism

I had never heard of this before but I looked it up. I can disprove it right away because obviously anyone who experienced happiness or anxiety or sadness knows that there is a physical effect as a result of those, not the other way around.

Besides that it basically boils down to the mainstream scientific viewpoint of scientific materialism.... The earliest for of this goes way back to Atomism in the old Greek times with Democritus. It's all the same tho. (Atheism = atomism = epiphenomenalism)

It's the idea that all there is to life is the physical and it can be broken down infinitely and studied. Instead of the more enlightened philosophies which recognize higher levels of existence.

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>Atheism = atomism = epiphenomenalism

This is so wrong :marseyobamanope: it hurts. You were doing so well, too. :marseysmirk2:

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Where do we disagree? Atomism was the original atheistic philosophy (back in Greek days when not believing in the Gods or at least some form of Supernatural was unheard of). Democritus didn't believe in the Gods he thought it could all be explained from physical interaction and material could be broken down to it's ultimate base (an idea we now know to be untrue).

From what I learned about that word you said "epiphenomenalism" I can only conclude that it assumes the mind and conscious experience is a result of physical processes, and eliminates the "God" element the same way Atomism did, but differently. Point is the modern scientific materialism/atheist philosophy is the same as these other ideas I and you mentioned, maybe not in exact detail but in Spirit.

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Im just breaking :marseytariq2: your balls. I do have a soft spot for the pre socratics. Anaxamandeeznutz.

I really :marseythinkorino2: enjoyed this text on philosophy :marseyfocault: of mind. https://i.rdrama.net/images/1718178295865887.webp

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Well I figured I was being too serious on a joke website but then again I rarely comment sincerely. I'll give that a read

EDIT: wait wat is that image supposed to be

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That's the table :marseywould: of contents showing :marseypoint2: which essays were included in the compilation. And lol i have a pdf if ya want.

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Total Determinist Death

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Tbh it all depends on wtf consciousness turns out to be.

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Im gunna throw :marseybrick: you and @MarioMemer in a death :marseyaborted: match pit

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