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Just as having high income for a long time accrues wealth, existing for a longer time accrues growth.

That would explain why nation states like China and Japan, even though they are smarter than the modern day US, are doing worse than the US. They haven't had as much time to optimize their societies for the area their nation covers and the lifestyles they live.

The US has existed in its current form since 1787 ( Delaware, last state to join the union ). That's 237 years to optimize the same land area.

Modern Japan historically came to be in 1868, which gives it 156 years to optimize itself. Although I would argue that Japan was completely changed after WW2 where they had to surrender their territories that were considered part of the Japanese empire outside of Japan. Which makes it 67 years to optimize itself.

The republic of China was founded in 1912. That's 112 years to optimize itself. However, it took over Tibet in 1951 which is a big enough piece of land to count as a major change in its territory that it has to work over. Which makes it 73 years. 1949 when the Chinese government fled to Taiwan which makes it 75 years.

India gained its independence in 1947. That's 77 years.

Stability leads to growth when it isn't leading to stagnation.

The US is the only place that has had the chance to be stable for as long as it has at its current size.

The fact that even with that large a time gap, the US isn't centuries ahead of the rest of the world suggests that the US has actually been underperforming taking all of its advantages into account.

The modern Chinese state has existed for half as long as the US and already crossed it in terms of PPP GDP.

China has 4x the population of the US, and a higher IQ.

China taking into account that it is half the age of the US, has been growing at a rate of more than 3x compared to the US since its inception to be able to keep up.

Even now the Chinese economy continues to grow at a more rapid rate than the US.

Given enough time the Chinese would obviously outgrow the US, being smarter than them long enough would accumulate the benefits.

The primary challenge that persists for the US is that the population of China is too high compared to that of the US.

The average Chinese is smarter than the average American. The average Chinese needs to be only 1/4th as efficient as the average American to surpass their economy. The Chinese economy is not 1/4th as efficient though, it is far more efficient than that even if not as efficient as the US economy.

China will naturally surpass the US if both the entities maintain their current form, given enough time there is no doubt about that.

The disadvantage over the long run exists for the US as it has to remain 2x more competitive than the Chinese at the end of the century even when taking population loss into account.

Conclusion:

The only solution for the US to remain a future global hegemony is to form a larger union. The average Chinese is well on his way to be more competent than the average European. The US could maintain a 10-15% performance lead over the Chinese into the next century but it is not possible for them to remain two times more productive than the Chinese for that long as the Chinese intellectual competence accumulates over time.

China is guaranteed to overtake the US by 2100 at most if the US does not become an expansionist empire.

Technologically the Chinese are catching up at a speedrun pace.

https://international.la-croix.com/world/objective-moon-china-is-20-to-30-years-behind-the-united-states

Even with all the current disadvantages, we can expect a 1.5x growth advantage in favor of China vs US.

That's easily enough for China to cross the US by the end of the century in terms of nominal GDP.

The US has no choice but to increase immigration and to expand its territories this century to maintain its position as global number 1.

Conclusion 2:

North American Union formed before 2100 to be able to keep ahead of China.

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Just as having high income for a long time accrues wealth

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just wait until he finds out about compound interest

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>the us is older than china

!eurochads Burgers still coping about how young their nation is. :!#marseyrofl:

It's still the same body of people after some guys sign a paper. By burger logic, their country was destroyed when it was split into two during its civil war. :#marseyboomer:

OK, OP is an Indian. Same difference, both are British colonies.

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@Aevann I kneel. :#marseykneel:

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It's still the same body of people after some guys sign a paper.

By that logic the EU as a union and all the EU countries if they had never joined the union would have together been producing the same amount of GDP so there is no reason for the EU to exist.

OK, OP is an Indian. Same difference, both are British colonies.

UK is an Indian colony

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China :marseyspy: is guaranteed to overtake the US by 2100 at most if the US does not become an expansionist empire.

We already are we just prefer indirect control

The U.S. has about 750 overseas military :marseysalutepride: bases in more than 80 countries

There's a reason the U.S. is funding or directly involved :marseynorm: in every conflict :marseynoyouoccupy: on the globe :marseyoctopus4:

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Well the US clearly needs more influence because it is growing at a rate of 2.5% average at most. China remains ahead.

Expanding to have another nation state be directly a part of you is far different from having a military base in another nation state in terms of resource access and total GDP.

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Having direct control :marseyshadow: would :marseymid: be a net negative. You honestly don't think :marseyhyperthonk: that having another nation be responsible of your defense with military :marseysalutetrans: units in your nation doesn't provide better :marseygenetakovic: trade deals? We would :marseymid: be fighting :marseypunching: counterinsurgencies out the butt if we tried direct colonial control. Heck our empire :marseyredcoat: is an improved model :marseylaying: of the British :marseyshakespeare: empire :marseyshah: where :marseydrama: they did the same thing. Send troops to support a native :marseyjaguarwarrior: power :marseyreactor: struggle and prop up their regime in order to receive financial and defense benefits.

Our GDP is fine as long as we remain innovative. The U.S. issues are domestic :marseybattered: regulation and policy stunting growth and increasing corruption. Not our overwhelming presence on the world :marseyww1russian1: stage. The Chinese :marseychingchongpearlclutch: will only surpass if they allow for innovation but right :marseysoren: now their government suppresses that greatly because it would :marseywood: be a threat to CCP control. The Chinese :marseydragon2: will remain a regional power :marseyzeldaganon: at worst. They have no ambition or means to have global control :marseyshadow: in the same capacity as the U.S.

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Look. By the end of the day Chinese growth rate remains above that of the US.

The US needs to integrate with Canada at least to open up resource access and grow its population.

The main issue is population. The US needs to be 2x its current size to be in the safe zone.

The US population needs to be growing at a rate of 1% per year at least. It is not.

The US needs to be innovating at a rate where it stays ahead of China in all industries with the gap ever widening. It is not.

The US in its current form is something that can be overtaken given enough time by a larger nation state.

By 2100 five nation states are expected to have populations higher than the US. That's five nation states with a chance to surpass the US one day.

If South Korea can maintain GDP growth rates similar to the US then China can certainly maintain GDP growth rates higher than the US.

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Look. By the end of the day Chinese :marseytigernewyear: growth rate remains above that of the US.

So was the soviets

The US needs :marseyspecial: to integrate with Canada :marseybeaver: at least to open up resource access :marsey403: and grow its population.

We gain little :marseypony: from this.

The main issue is population. The US needs :marseyspecial: to be 2x its current size to be in the safe zone.

Then China :marseychingchongjerkoff: is fricked worse than us.

I'm going :marseysal3: to go swim so I'll respond to the rest later :marseywave2:

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So was the soviets

Yes and just like the US is an upgrade over the UK, the Chinese are an upgrade over the Soviets.

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They still have the issue of being an extractive economy like the soviets.

What makes the U.S. work is unlike most nations :marseypeacekeeper: in history :marseysputnik: is that its economy is innovative rather than extractive.

What you state :marseylouisiana: is true for most nations :marseypeacekeeper: like China, Russia, etc. but for the U.S. it would :marseymid: create more problems than it would :marseymid: solve

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China cannot be called an extractive economy as it is only 10-30 years behind the US depending on which technology you are looking at and even ahead of the US when it comes to nuclear reactors. You wouldn't call the US from 30 years ago an extractive economy.

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This isn't due to innovation though? They extract labor from their people and steal/bribe foriegn nation/companies for their technology. Thats why they will remain behind :marseynotes2: the U.S.

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That would :marseywood: explain why nation states :marseylibertyfireworks: like China :marseyklennychinese: and Japan, even though they are smarter than the modern :marseywarhol: day US

If they're so smart :marseypeterson: how come they suck butt and act r-slurred?

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More r-slurred than the average American?

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No, but our best > their best, and that makes all the difference :marseysaluteusa:

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but our best > their best

Warriors win fights.

Soldiers win wars.

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i got shit all over my peepee

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Delaware, last state to join the union. That's 237 years to optimize the same land area.

Spot on

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Well, it's the economic growth that lets a county accrue more wealth. It also depends on what's affecting your growth rate.

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Yes and how long your people have been smart is a part of it

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IQ matters, as does education, but also IQ matters more.

Think of it this way. You can have 20% of the people of Congo having an IQ over 120, but they won't be able to do much with a bunch of r-slurs shooting each other.

The hardest question for economic development is how to cultivate, develop, or have arise institutions which support basic pillars of civilization.

China and India have high growth rates because they simply let their people trade. With other countries, there's a lot more bullshit in the way.

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based.

Thank you

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