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Read "a fate worse than death" relocations and reservations were the nicest possible solution, the alternatives would have all been variations of genocide.
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They did get genocided. Unironically. Not like Israel's modern day genocide-lite "oh we're murdering thousands of your children" but actually entire peoples and cultures were wiped off the map.
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I mean yeah if you wanna water down genocide, sure totes genocided.
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If you don't count what happened to indigenous people in America I don't know how you could ever count anything as genocide. In your mind, has there ever been a genocide?
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Plenty, but letting people assimilate while tard wrangling those who can't or won't is hardly genocide. Slaveowning, torture, raids, and r*pe aren't valid cultural norms and the entire American civil war was centered around the first. The impetus for conflicts between America and the various tribes of American Indian are the all on that list.
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soz for the Aztecs, I guess.
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No it's not genocide if you don't kill the generation. If you expand a word that has a clear definition until it's so broad that there are thousands cooccuring and some that have been going on for many many generations, all thats left for you to do is put on your clown makeup.
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Even the Nazis allowed some Jews to emigrate in the 1930s and didn't successfully exterminate every last one, so I suppose in your book that's no harm no foul.
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The Nazis had an expatrion program called the haavara agreement and no evidence produced without torture has proved an intent to exterminate judea(slavs, r-slurs(not a race), and homosexuals(not a race or ethnic group) not so lucky) and greater numbers of jews in their areas occupied. Many parallels to israel and palestine in a way. Did Nazis commit horrible atrocities? Undoubtedly. But you cannot consistently condemn the german actions against judea and not condemn modern Israeli actions.
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I think, at least from a normo perspective, there has do be a religious or political spark for genocide to be a thing. Otherwise it's just a massacre. Kinda like how if I yell the n word before shooting it becomes a hate crime
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There was for sure a religious/political drive for forced conversion They would take native kids away from their families, and force them to abandon their own language, religion and culture. And this was in the more "enlightened" 20th century once they'd stopped just flat-out killing them.
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Why do you qualify a loss of culture/language/etc a genocide? Doesn't that make genocide quite the nebulous concept vs a hard and fast concept? I'm asking in good faith btw
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In my mind genocide is the killing of a people or culture. It doesn't mean they exterminate every last living member, but they are eliminated as a polity.
To the extent that any of the native tribes are living peoples today, it's because the settlers failed or thought better and changed their minds, but for a long time the goal was to "civilize" the natives and eliminate their own culture.
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This is why the Deaf community regards cures for deafness a genocide, because they have their own language and if people aren't deaf they won't use it.
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I hate the disabled
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