I'm gonna try to summarize what we have collectively worked out about the hospital disaster. And by "collectively" I mean whatever I believe but it's informed by my fellow dramatards.
Hamas launches a massive attack on Israel aiming to kill or kidnap civilians. One part of it is a rocket barrage to distract the Israelis. Kill lots of people.
Israeli official government spokesmen say they're going to have a policy of not avoiding civilian casualties in Gaza.
Israel drops 6000 bombs on Gaza.
Israel orders 1 million people to leave Gaza City, including all hospital patients, and cuts off water and power.
Palestinian civilians congregate at the hospital because it still has water.
Israel possibly makes specific threats to the hospital.
Islamic Jihad shoots a volley of rockets into Israel. One has an issue with its motor shortly after launch and lands in the parking lot where many displaced people are.
The rocket's impact fuze goes off and it makes a relatively small explosion and small crater. Meanwhile its fuel blows up instantly in a big fireball.
The hospital suddenly gets a lot of dead bodies and wounded people. In the chaos of dealing with this plus the huge number of casualties from Israeli bombing they get confused and estimate 200 casualties. This gets passed around in a game of telephone and turns into 200 killed, then 500 killed.
Everyone assumes that since Israel is blowing the frick out of Gaza constantly and there's no dispute over that, they did it. This includes every country friendly to Israel.
Media reports this as an Israeli airstrike just like all the other ones that day (notably the ones in Rafah that killed dozens and prevented foreign nationals from leaving Gaza).
Hamas probably assumes the Israelis did it.
The Israelis know they have to get this right. They do a very careful investigation.
After several hours the Israelis announce that the Palestinians actually did it to themselves. This is met with extreme skepticism since Israel has cried wolf in exactly this way countless times before. Including when they murdered an American this year.
The sun comes up and we find out it never happened. Islamic Jihad did it but there apparently were not nearly as many casualties as the Palestinians claimed and the Israelis implied.
Biden says the DoD told him it wasn't the Israelis. They have a couple cowtools at their disposal that we don't. They've got the data from the Israeli counterbattery radar (which was really really good even in boomer times) and they've probably got Infrared coverage from SBIRS satellites. There's some nerd pyromaniac who can look at that tell you all about the fire.
Every Muslim in the world goes apeshit.
Burgers get indignant because we weren't responsible for this one.
EDIT: @Spiderman apparently wants me to get more attention so I guess I have to pin this.
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You missed the part where Hamas took every unburied body they could find and used them as props for a press conference, leading us to the real number of dead in Gaza for the entire day being less than 50.
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That would require a lot of people from the Anglican church, especially in America, to be in on the conspiracy. It's way more likely that there was confusion and it got out of control.
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So when the doctors are testifying that there were 500 killed by an Israeli airstrike they're just confused?
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My best guess at the moment is they honestly thought 200 were killed at first. Then it spirals out of their control and becomes a political thing and they have to keep going with it.
Do you think doctors in Gaza aren't under any pressure from Hamas?
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That's exactly what I was implying.
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Honestly I believe the doctors are Hamas
@Transgender_spez
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Testifying? They're trying to do triage on thousands of civilians wounded by the Israelis (no Israeli would deny this). I don't think they have time to go into court.
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Dictionary? They're posting thousands of shitposts on rdrama. I don't think they have time to check the dictionary to see if you can testify to something outside of a court of law.
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so whodunnit
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I'm 90% sure it's what the Israelis claimed. And I'm not often accused of being biased in their favor.
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it's a confusing time
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It's not even that I'm against Israel. The !jidf is just made up of American goy kids who think Likud = Israel and they have the right to speak for a country they have no connection with except maybe playing as them in Hearts of Iron 4.
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Americans actually do have the right to speak for all other countries, including the ones we can't pronounce or point to on a map.
It's in the constitution.
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Bold of you to think anybody on this site knows what Likud is.
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Wrong.
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Neighbor when do you sleep?!
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Good goyim now if only you realised jewchads are always right.
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100% not Israel, because they told 4 days ago to evacuate 22 hospitals in north Gaza becothey didn't planed to blow up any hospitals like they did last week
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I thought that Slavshit was confusing and unclear at times, but it has nothing on whatever is happening here.
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Hamas tricked Israel into bombing themselves
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/r/witchesvspatriarchy interfered with the guidance on their bombs.
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ALLAH IS TOO POWERFUL
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Honestly surprised I haven't seen a "Jewish space lasers made the bomb turn around" take yet.
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The iron dome was jewish lasers all along.
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Yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Beam
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So did the Israelis tell people to evacuate the hospital or is that another psyop?
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This claim and the tweet from some Israeli official about bombing a target in a hospital are two things I've yet to actually see sourced.
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The Israelis publicly ordered everyone to evacuate hospitals in North Gaza. Apparently all the patients are supposed to walk 15 miles without water.
The claim of threats to that specific hospital just comes from the hospital as far as I know.
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Should have thought of that before living in Gaza.
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Israel told everyone in Gaza to evacuate days ago. I have no idea about the tweet.
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The claim that "Israel ordered the hospital to evacuate" is actually just because Israel ordered the whole city to evacuate days ago? The former is extremely specific and gives weight to an Israel did it theory. The latter means almost nothing.
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It's been a big issue in the last few days with the hospitals saying lots of patients can't be moved. I can't personally vouch for any direct threat to that particular hospital, but the IDF has said the hospitals are supposed to evacuate everyone. Apparently on magic carpets.
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Are magic carpets covered by the trade embargo or is Hamas just refusing to use them?
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Turkey has offered them 50,000 carpets but NATO says not until Turkey allows Sweden in, and then Erdogan said he wants concessions from the Kurds.
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I'm the context of a bombing at a very specific hospital there's a massive difference between claiming Israel ordered the evacuation of the entire city and ordered the evacuation of that specific hospital seperately. So yeah, I would say it's an important distinction.
And to bring it back to the point I saw multiple people claim Israel ordered the evacuation of the hospital specifically. Some even said they did so just hours before the "strike". But I never saw this claim sourced.
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Source was the Anglican Church that runs the hospital. I wouldn't trust that but they're as credible as anyone else who's involved.
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It's not a Baptist hospital?
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It's been called that sometimes but apparently it's run by the Episcopal Diocese of Jerusalem.
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Well the hospital is in Gaza so I think it's relevant but you can continue acting like this is some insane whodunnit when Israel uses smart missiles and DoD verified the data and says it wasn't them.
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Are you confused? I'm saying the original claim by Hamas was dubious to begin with.
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That's actually plausible
Factcheck: None of this is real.
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It was that hananya naftali who enjoys
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Iirc the Israelis explicitly said they might blow up all the hospitals in North Gaza. The hospital claims that they were threatened and shelled by artillery in recent days but that's impossible to verify.
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@Spiderman has r*ped 3-5 children in the past year
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Good work brother. The truth lives.
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I'd upmarsey this but you neglected to include even the most rudimentary summary of a certain dramanaut's journey from seethe to cope to acceptance. I don't care about any of the rest of this shit.
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Hey sexy, why are you posting so quickly? 😊 You almost forgot to include
the future is female
in your comment 😈. Slowww down and remember to postthe future is female
next time 😉 if that doesn't make sense stop by sometime and we can talk about it for a while 🥵Jump in the discussion.
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