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A livestreamer accidentally streamed Hamas :marseynoyouoccupy: going :marseysal2: into a hospital :marseyloss: showing :marseypoint2: that they use this hospital :marseyloss: as a headquarters

https://old.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/18hsyca/hamas_just_got_caught_going_into_nasser_gaza

								

								

Nothing :marseynothingburger: really :marseythinkorino2: dramatic in the video :marseyprincesszeldabotw: but you can reference this post when the IDF inevitably blows up this hospital :marseyloss: for the views

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!chuds just wait less than a week when the !jidf blow up the hospital. !nonchuds you probably need to check :marseycheckem2: out this hospital :marseyloss: in person :marseychonkerfoid: because you don't believe :marseyparappa: the zionist lies.

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Yeah well show me that. They've killed 1% of Gaza's population in a couple months.

Show me them killing 1% of the population. You're willing to take Hamas at their word for civilian casualties but not the IDF at their word for their targeting information? :marseyhmm:

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>You're willing to take Hamas at their word for civilian casualties

Because their numbers have been found to be accurate (conservative even), not only in the past but also presently, and even in line with Israel's own figures? The UN, WHO and pretty much every NGO and news agency involved or reporting on this conflict say that the figures are surely much higher than what the Gaza Health Ministry have given, with all the missing people buried under tons of rubble. Keep in mind that the people in Gaza have an ID number assigned to them by Israel and that the Gaza Health Ministry has provided all the names and IDs of those killed.

>IDF at their word for their targeting information?

Because Israel has been caught lying hundreds of times about it? They've killed thousands of journ*lists, medics, handicapped, children and then lied bout it afterwards even when confronted with undeniable evidence of their crimes.

So yeah, eat shit and die, hasbara troll.

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Lmao "the hecking wholesome terrorist group who runs a totalitarian government you're not allowed to contradict is honest and would never lie (ignore please how they shot a parking lot of their own hospital and then said Israel killed 500 ) but the democracy with freedom of speech is lying at all levels."

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>ignore please how they shot a parking lot of their own hospital and then said Israel killed 500

Except they didn't? That was a random butt figure someone came up with on Twitter, it was never an official number, as the NYT investigation has proven. The NYT also found that the rocket was indeed Israeli.

>the democracy with freedom of speech

Lmao this is peak delusion. There's no real democracy in Israel or the occupied territories. When you have a dual legal and political system, you don't have real democracy. And as for freedom of speech, when you can get thrown in jail for posting a Palestinian flag or tweeting that you want the conflict to end, you don't have freedom of speech.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/12/israel-free-speech-arrests-hamas

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/11/1/23941810/israel-crackdown-dissent-war-critics

https://news.yahoo.com/israel-restricts-wartime-freedom-expression-162656902.html

But muuuh freeze peach and duhmocracy!

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Except they didn't? That was a random butt figure someone came up with on Twitter, it was never an official number, as the NYT investigation has proven. The NYT also found that the rocket was indeed Israeli.

Holy shit the amount of layers of rslurration here. Literally everyone credible has confirmed the rocket was from Gaza and that journos got it straight from the Gazan authorities, many even apologized for uncritically parroting these sources and now caveat it with "according to x Gazan ministry". It's not even worth arguing with you further considering you're clearly sticking your head in the sand to prevent seeing anything you dislike and parroting rslurred third world telegram accounts verbatim.

There's no real democracy in Israel

There is though.

or the occupied territories

Not Israel, most of them never will be.

And as for freedom of speech, when you can get thrown in jail for posting a Palestinian flag or tweeting that you want the conflict to end, you don't have freedom of speech.

You can get jailed for cheering massacres of civilians, not for wanting the conflict to end. This has nothing to do with complete freedom to spread information that Israelis enjoy, making it harder for the government to lie than for totalitarian murder cults.

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>Holy shit the amount of layers of rslurration here. Literally everyone credible has confirmed the rocket was from Gaza and that journos got it straight from the Gazan authorities, many even apologized for uncritically parroting these sources and now caveat it with "according to x Gazan ministry". It's not even worth arguing with you further considering you're clearly sticking your head in the sand to prevent seeing anything you dislike and parroting rslurred third world telegram accounts verbatim.

The NYT offered a retraction. Didn't know, my bad. Still doesn't change the fact that Israel is an untrustworthy party, given their track record and conduct in this conflict.

>There is though.

There isn't. Unless you classify democracy as two-tiered society where the rights of the majority group and their religion are enshrined and privileged in law and where the minority are actively discriminated at best or outright unrepresented in politics at worst.

>You can get jailed for cheering massacres of civilians, not for wanting the conflict to end. This has nothing to do with complete freedom to spread information that Israelis enjoy, making it harder for the government to lie than for totalitarian murder cults.

BIPOC, did you even read the articles? People are getting jailed, interrogated and outright fired for showing the slightest bit of support for Palestinian victims, posting a Palestinian flag on social media or even criticizing the government. There's no freedom of speech, only political repression. This is also the same fricking government that was trying to pass their insane judicial reforms as their PM is under several investigations for corruption. Israel is straight up descending into unironic fascism with these far right lunatics.

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Still doesn't change the fact that Israel is an untrustworthy party, given their track record and conduct in this conflict.

I think it's fair to not trust Israel but you're genuinely a 50 IQ subhuman if you don't trust Israel and simultaneously trust Hamas.

There isn't. Unless you classify democracy as two-tiered society where the rights of the majority group and their religion are enshrined and privileged in law and where the minority are actively discriminated at best or outright unrepresented in politics at worst.

Democracy is when the citizens democratically elect their leaders. Israel has this. This is the definition of a democracy. Occupied Germans being unable to vote in American elections did not make America not a democracy.

People are getting jailed, interrogated and outright fired for showing the slightest bit of support for Palestinian victims, posting a Palestinian flag on social media

People were jailed for cheering the massacre of their countrymen. This is what posting the Palestinian flag on October 7 is. They were not jailed for expressing sympathy or criticizing the government, you are literally making this up. In the UK you can't silently pray near abortion clinics, similarly nobody serious claims the UK doesn't have freedom of speech.

There's no freedom of speech, only political repression

People can and do yell about how oppressed the Palestinians are. You clearly know nothing about the country. Just like anywhere in the West, you can whistleblow and complain to your heart's content, provided you pass the very low bar of not dancing on the graves of massacred innocents.

This is also the same fricking government that was trying to pass their insane judicial reforms as their PM is under several investigations for corruption.

Further showing you know nothing about Israel, the war is being conducted by an emergency centrist unity coalition and the far right elements of the government are not allowed to pass laws without approval from the center.

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>I think it's fair to not trust Israel but you're genuinely a 50 IQ subhuman if you don't trust Israel and simultaneously trust Hamas.

I don't take everything Hamas says at face value, no.

>Democracy is when the citizens democratically elect their leaders. Israel has this. This is the definition of a democracy. Occupied Germans being unable to vote in AmeriKKKan elections did not make AmeriKKKa not a democracy.

Apartheid regimes cannot, by definition, be democracies. Israel has a two-tiered society. This is a fact. Jewish supremacy is enshrined in law. Just because you have a couple token Arabs in some positions of power does not change the fact the non-Jewish population in Israel proper is treated as second class citizens and the people in the occupied territories live under an illegal, military occupation with martial law and no representation in government. It's as simple as that.

When you have shit like this https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracy coupled with the hundreds of illegal settlements and hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, all pretense of a "vibrant, multicultural, multi-religious democratic state" is dead.

>People were jailed for cheering the massacre of their countrymen. This is what posting the Palestinian flag on October 7 is. They were not jailed for expressing sympathy or criticizing the government, you are literally making this up.

Ok, so you didn't read the articles. Thanks for letting me know, Zionist troll.

>Further showing you know nothing about Israel, the war is being conducted by an emergency centrist unity coalition and the far right elements of the government are not allowed to pass laws without approval from the center.

You're talking about the war cabinet, not the actual government as it was elected and was operating up until Oct. 7th. Are you denying that the attempts to reform the judicial system by Likud and co. and Bibi's corruption investigations were a figment of our collective imagination or what? :marseyhmm:

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I don't take everything Hamas says at face value, no.

Oh ok so you agree anyone reasonable has no idea what the actual casualties are.

Jewish supremacy is enshrined in law. Just because you have a couple token Arabs in some positions of power does not change the fact the non-Jewish population in Israel proper is treated as second class citizens

Arab Israelis have equal civil rights as Jewish Israelis. The nation state law establishes that one of the primary goals of Israel is to be a Jewish homeland and representative of the Jewish people which is by no means at all uncommon in democracies.

coupled with the hundreds of illegal settlements and hundreds of thousands of illegal settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, all pretense of a "vibrant, multicultural, multi-religious democratic state" is dead.

You're stringing together entirely unrelated things you have 0 understanding of and then just jumping to the conclusion you want. East Jerusalem settlement consists almost entirely of people legally purchasing legal titles that were confiscated by Jordan 48-67 and evicting squatters that refuse to pay even token rent, after decades long court battles. The West Bank is not part of Israel.

You're talking about the war cabinet, not the actual government as it was elected and was operating up until Oct. 7th. Are you denying that the attempts to reform the judicial system by Likud and co. and Bibi's corruption investigations were a figment of our collective imagination or what?

What does a powerless former coalition have to do with your argument that Israel is currently being governed by authoritarians? You may have had an argument that Israel had an anti free speech government 2 months ago, this is not the case now.

Ok, so you didn't read the articles

I read these articles before you even knew they existed.

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So yeah, eat shit and die, hasbara troll.

Thanks for letting me know, Zionist troll.

Lmao you're such a Redditor. BAD FAITH TROLL :soysnooseethetalking:

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This is a really long way of saying you don't frick.

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look im gunna have 2 ask u 2 keep ur giant dumps in the potty not in my replys 😷😷😷

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The UN, WHO and pretty much every NGO and news agency involved or reporting on this conflict say that the figures are surely much higher than what the Gaza Health Ministry have given

And they know how? Hamas can make up whatever shit they want and nobody can disprove them. If Hamas said a million died, would the fact many are buried in the rubble mean actually 2 million died?

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You fricking r-slur, what part of them showing the Israel-assigned ID numbers and the names of the victims do you not understand? What part of the UN and the overwhelming majority of news agencies and humanitarian NGOs finding the casualtiy figures to be largely accurate not only in this conflict but in all precious ones as well do you not understand? For frick's sake, even in the previous conflicts, Israel's casualty numbers MATCHED Hamas' figures.

Regardless, why the frick do you even care, really? You're here always jerking off about the destruction of Gaza and the IDF killing "sandBIPOCs" and shit and now you take offense that :marseyakshually: the IDF hasn't killed that many Palestinians :chudsmug:? Like, what are you even on about? :marseyquestion:

Or are you just bussyblasted that Israel's reputation is in the shitter and is on its way to become a pariah state? Or maybe it's the fact that the majority of people are simply not buying Israeli propaganda anymore and that they see clearly what Israel is doing to the Palestinians?

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You fricking r-slur, what part of them showing the Israel-assigned ID numbers and the names of the victims do you not understand?

Well if they listed some ID numbers and names surely they can't be lying.

What part of the UN and the overwhelming majority of news agencies and humanitarian NGOs finding the casualtiy figures to be largely accurate

Based on?

For frick's sake, even in the previous conflicts, Israel's casualty numbers MATCHED Hamas' figures.

So clearly IDF figures in this war must be accurate given their track record of agreeing with their enemies. :wholesome:

Regardless, why the frick do you even care, really? You're here always jerking off about the destruction of Gaza and the IDF killing "sandBIPOCs" and shit and now you take offense that :marseyakshually: the IDF hasn't killed that many Palestinians :chudsmug:? Like, what are you even on about? :marseyquestion:

I don't care per se, I'm just pointing out redactor's interesting willingness to trust certain authorities (as long as they're genocidal terrorist groups) but not others.

Or are you just bussyblasted that Israel's reputation is in the shitter and is on its way to become a pariah state?

Lol, lmao even. Look at a map of recognition of Israel in 1973. Worldwide recognition and support of Israel in Western countries is at an all time high. I just like laughing at commies here that think their favourite terrorists are finally about to succeed or that anyone relevant really cares about them. The only thing I'm upset about is the >1000 people those subhumans killed and the 100 soldiers that have died to prevent such a tragedy from occurring again.

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>Worldwide recognition and support of Israel in Western countries is at an all time high.

:#marseyxd:

You're beyond delusional, you're actively r-slurred.

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He is indian, doesnt have a clue

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Look at polls, Israel has more support in this conflict than previous ones. And look at a map of recognition of Israel in 1980 vs now. It's literally never been more widely recognized.

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The UN, WHO

The UN runs WHO this is like saying "USA and the CIA" they're the same thing.

Also the UN's opinion is decided by vote and China and the middle east bloc have agreements to pool their votes so it's hardly a non bias organisation.

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Based hamas killing 50 jews and everyone seethes externally

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No I take the Israeli cabinet at their word when they say their troops are killing civilians because that's what they're ordered to do. You can't have your piles of dead children cake and eat it too.

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