This is so delusional and r-slurred it makes John Bolton look like a stable genius in comparison: Now that Nasrallah is dead, a president will be elected and it will solve everything.
The only times that Lebanon has barely functioned as a state is when there was consensus among the Christians, Shi'a, Sunnis, and Druze.
There's only been a few guys stupid enough to think they could "win" and dominate the whole country. They got killed once they seemed to be anywhere near to achieving that.
It's kind of hard to build up a functioning bureaucracy while everyone is cowering in bomb shelters.
People don't like to cooperate with American plans while American bombs are landing on them.
The President of Lebanon has never had the power to fix the country's real problems. In fact the constitution is set up to make sure they can't. You're going to have to keep dealing with Nabih Berri.
They desperately need lots of money. Nobody is going to lend money to them while they're getting bombed and everything will just get immediately destroyed.
I cannot emphasize this enough: Syria and Hezbollah are still capable of killing anyone in Beirut they want to. They may feel entitled to carry out assassinations given what has happened lately.
The only thing I'm wondering is if this is male autism like the "Whiz Kids" of the Vietnam War or vapid female r-sluration where midwit women from rich east coast families have been promoted up through academia and think that means they actually know what the frick they're talking about.
There's a lot of people making decisions about this stuff who apparently have no idea that exactly what they're planning to do has been tried before and it didn't work. Or maybe they know and they just don't give a shit because it's never hurt the job prospects of neocons or R2P tards that they totally failed at everything and just ended up killing lots of people.
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You do this thing where you conflate a desire to achieve a specific goal with a belief that it will magically solve all related problems.
Nobody believes the problems in Lebanon can be solved so easily. Positive change will come slowly and incrementally. But with more than a supermajority of the Lebanese people being frustrated with Hezbollah and a similar number viewing Iran as a direct enemy I personally think encouraging them to reclaim some level of agency is a step in the right direction and it's what the Labanese people seem to want.
That said, those same people all still believe in the righteousness of firing rockets at the Jews every day so it may not change Israel's stance on the situation anyway
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You know how Israel occupied parts of Lebanon for 18 years? You remember that? I remember that. That did not make people there decide that they liked Israel. That made people there (Muslim and Christian) so fricking butthurt that they eventually won a war against you.
If you really wanted Hezbollah and Iranian influence kicked out of Lebanon, that was on the verge of happening. People really fricking hated them and their position was extremely weak. And then you just have to roll in to rescue them. I honestly don't get it.
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Irrelevant. I'm not getting in to a back and forth about the tit for tat justifications through history which lead to today. The point is the ultimate reality is that many Lebanese still support military action against Israel, and so a democratic government may not change Israel's view of the country assuming the policy of that government would be shaped around that existing perception.
Waiting around for the genocidal extremists to be ousted by their own people for a slight chance that they might stop lobbing rockets your way may seem like a convenient position to take for you. But you live without the daily threat of death from above, and with a home in a relatively safe place that you can come back to every day after work. This is not the reality of the people you confidently comment about on the internet. They may not view waiting as desirable. Not to mention that your amateur assessment of Hezbollah's "extreme" weakness is "extremely" arguable.
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Isn't it interesting how leftoids think Palestinians/Arabs are agency-free robots when it comes to reacting to Israeli attacks -- but Israelis are supposed to be enlightened monks in response to attacks on them? !jidf
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Almost as if its black and white thinking. Or
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Leftists hate strength and success. Uncle Ted already told us so.
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You are so whiny my god. Just let Israel have little a land who is it gonna hurt??
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Israelis.
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Neighbor are you talking about Shebaa farms ?
The one Israel took from Syria.
The only claim for lebanese is that couple of Hezbs fired rockets from it
The one UN diplomats cant find on a map.
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No you r-slurred zoomer.
I'm talking about the 1982-2000 Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon. It was this big war. It was... there's a bunch of Israeli movies about it if you don't believe me. There's a whole generation of Israeli guys who had to fight there.
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Sheeeeeeet that's crazy. I wish they hadn't taken time out to film 20 movies about it. I wish they could have just blown up the Lebanese instead
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We all make mistakes.
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If they didn't care about creating quality content than why film it in the first place
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I liked "Waltz with Bashir" much more than I expected to back when me and the wife were trying to watch ALL the Oscar noms.
I still hum the "Lebanon Boker Tov" song from time to time.
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Jesus what a bunch of r-slurs, show me literally one example of a fanatic ideologically driven society/culture that became a 1st world nation after getting nuked.
Err show me TWO examples. TWO
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1.
2. Germany
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This has been the entirety of American
foreign policy since 1945
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Maybe
Should just be partitioned into a 
state (x2), a 
state and a Druze state (there is no Druze emoji so I am going to use 
for them ) 
Feels like its a 
but even more ethnic and sectarian tensions.
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This is the "canton" idea that was brought up a lot in the 1980s. That the Maronites would have their own little state in East Beirut up north to Zgharta outside Tripoli. This was kind of taken as a serious threat because the country was so fricked up that them having their little Christian Bantustan wouldn't be a step down. A number of problems though. It's too small to be viable. The Syrians could roll over it really fast if they wanted to. Most Christians were not extremists who hated the rest of the country. WTF would the economy even be?
They're tough but there's not nearly enough of them. They can't exist without the rest of the country. Which you could say about Lebanese in general. Despite all the extreme tensions between them, they can't just disentangle from each other.
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Kinda like that except with enemies on all sides that could shell you at any time. And that's what they would do. Just randomly shell your neighborhood when somebody was mad.
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Sounds like
to me
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They were disguised as Mexicans on their flight here LOL
!chuds
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whoo?? malays and indos?
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Yea muzzies
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Fun fact, the Chinese sometimes do the same across the southern border.
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你好 amigo
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At the risk of contradicting my bro
@X's flippant remarks that's because they both were in a situation where they had to be really militarized in the early 1960s. In the case of Singapore that's because Indonesia was run by aggressive communist psychos until 1965. Which ended when the communist coup failed there. Crying little white girls in foreign countries have claimed there was a "genocide" then but that's not what Indonesians or declassified CIA reports from the time tell me.
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Lol this right!
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It's like Redactor is really close to understanding what Israel's experience is, but his brain is broken as soon as Jews enter the mix.
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What in the frick is that even supposed to mean? Where do any Jews live within artillery range of Beirut to Tripoli?
I'm not making fun of you, I unironically have no idea who the frick you're talking about. I was talking about Syria, Hezbollah, etc.
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You really struggle to map this sentiment to Israel?
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Yes. I struggle to understand how tube artillery from Israel could do that to Beirut on an economical level since that's a distance of 100km.
We had way better kids working for Sysco in my time.
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The Muslims will never stop their war of conquest.
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the us has such a great track record when it comes to installing "leaders"
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To be fair, the Shah of Iran had a great
head of hair
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The US did not actually put him into power. You read what the CIA guys involved in TPAJAX said about him and it was some of the most scathing insults I've ever seen. Especially the way they talked about how his sister was the one to deal with because she wore the pants in the family. (An interesting character btw: Vain, greedy, scheming, clever, charismatic. Reminds me of somebody I used to know.)
The US used him to put Gen. Zahedi into power. But it turned out our guys underestimated him. In a couple years he made moves behind the scenes and ended up overthrowing Zahedi and making himself dictator. That coup and the events around it were like 90% driven by Iranians.
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#Our_Girl
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So much just because I like a forceful woman. There's this absolutely r-slurred idea in our media that Iranian women are all meek little creatures who are afraid to speak up. Neighbor please.
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We really are terrible. I think it's failing to understand that you don't want a puppet. You want somebody there on the ground who knows what's going on. You delegate power to him, and sometimes you disagree about things but you have common interests. Karzai the was worst of both worlds. He was really ineffective and weak but also opposed us half the time.
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i think a democracy trying to go out and play other countries like they are pawns doesn't actually understand the meaning of democracy. total platitude by this point.
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Exactly it won't solve anything so just bomb them harder
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In my generation we were taught the "New Math" that involved problem solving strategies and this one doesn't seem logical to me.
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It's very logical, less enemies annoying Israel, we get cool videos, libs get more ammo for their saviour complex, and muslims get to martyr for Allah. Literally no downsides
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That's not how this works. If there's 10,000 enemies annoying Israel, tbqh, they're not gonna accomplish much. It's a really well-defended country (usually). If there's 1,000 enemies annoying Israel, there's still going to be constant fear and anxiety. A lot of the real damage is that constant stress, people not being able to live their lives normally. Killing 9,000 of them doesn't make your life 90% better.
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Ten thousand people are still a bigger threat than a thousand
But I agree that Israel should just kill every single person in the neighbouring countries so they can finally relax 
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didn't they have a puppet president in afghanistan for a while??
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No we never did. Which is one of the worst mistakes we made. We had Hamid Karzai in power there and there was this idea that like "omg it wouldn't be democratic we didn't let some incredibly corrupt political process there choose the president"
. And then he would turn around and blame us every time we killed people to keep his regime in power. It was fricking insane.
It's always difficult dealing with these leaders. It was difficult in Korea and Vietnam. But we just let this guy stomp on our balls while our kids were dying for him. I'm sure it's because of all the r-slurred shit in history books that we were taught about how it was so terrible that we "supported" Diem. Note that word "supported", the most vague worthless word in the English language.
The thing certain boomers don't like is that we "supported" Nyugen Van Thieu fleeing to America after he fricked up and ruined his country and several million people paid the price but he wasn't one of them.
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Would being ruled by some foreign power (not Syria or France) fix Lebanon?
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Every good Lebanese has already left to make esfihas in Brazil !macacos
The ones left are barely people
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If you count Temer, actually Brazil was controlled by the Lebanase
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Best president since JK
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Brazil, a country run by gypsies, Lebanese and Bulgarians. Just throw the whole thing in the trash, Jesus
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I don't think so. Things are so fricking complicated there, I don't think any foreign power could manage it. I mean the Syrians managed it but they did it through lots of car bombs and torture and stuff. And I don't even think that's entirely because they wanted to do it that way. I think it's because that honestly was the only way they could figure out how to deal with the situation.
Maybe if somehow everyone could get to together to pressure the government into working it would help. But you got the problem that they're next to Syria and Israel and both of them really would have to agree to cooperate in enforcing some kind of peace.
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Don't worry, Israel is just carving the path for the Syrian Airforce Intelligence Statelet
Trust the plan
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You mean the Assad family... this whole time... since the 1950s...
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He lost half his country so we're giving him a second one again
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Well that's only fair tbh.
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It's not complicated. Lebanon is a Christian country occupied by Muslim invaders. They should go back to Arabia and there will be peace.
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We'll do that as soon as I start moving away from America and most of the people on Earth move away from where they live, r-slur.
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Cool it with the antisemitic remarks
Snapshots:
https://www.axios.com/2024/10/04/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-new-leader-us:
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R2P tards:
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poorly timed tweet...
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The only time Lebanon was function was when the Shias were violently discriminated by the state.
Dunno where you wiggers got the idea of coexistence between the groups.
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