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Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare | Hacker News :!marseysoycry:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711475

Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince stated an imminent threat to human life was why he revoked our service.

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He elaborates in his post, and claims violent rhetoric had ramped up.

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This seems to be based off one of two things:

1. A post made on 4chan's /pol/ with a picture taken outside an apartment in Ireland which references the forum.

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2. A series of posts made by one user, @Washizu Iwao (formerly @Serotonin).

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361890932152.webp

This means that a community with 16,000 daily sign-ins is being punished for the behavior of a single user, or a person not even on our website.

The post by @Washizu Iwao was posted at 9:42pm EU time. It was reported seven times. After 32 minutes it was deleted by @Ride, one of our admins. The user was also banned.

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Our website makes no money. All of our moderators are volunteers. It took Facebook (with a 24/7 staff of paid moderators) 29 minutes to remove the Christchurch shooting from Facebook Live.

This user joined in 2020, but the account remained inactive until July, 2022.

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He made a single, low-effort post in an on-topic board before going dormant again until August 21st. Every subsequent post was in the Keffals thread.

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This person is not an active member of the community. This appears to be a sleeper account someone had gotten access to in July, and kept on hand to use like this.

On August 31st, Matthew Prince released a strong statement defending his role as a service provider and not a regulatory body. 3 days later, something scared him. I don't know what it was, but it achieved the desired result. In his explanation post, which reads as rushed and irrational, he tries to mitigate the whiplash between the two opposing statements by saying we are the worst site he has ever seen - because one post (which was already deleted by the time he pulled the plug) made a violent threat.

The precedent has been set. At Cloudflare, with enough pressure, a single post by a strange account can be made to threaten a 9-year-old community and the tens of thousands of people who have used it every day for years. There has never been a violent incident in our history, which cannot be said for many other sites still on Cloudflare. This narrative feels like a lie spun up to save face.

Even now, I have received zero communication from Cloudflare, U.S. Law Enforcement, the Irish Garda, or the Royal Ulster Constabulary regarding anything related to #DropKiwiFarms or its members.

This concerns me and should deeply concern everyone about the state of the Internet.

I'll have more to say later. I've not yet moved my domains from Cloudflare, because a part of me thinks that Matthew will recognize this as an err in judgement. The decision is simply too asinine for me to accept as reality.
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There has never been a violent incident in our history, which cannot be said for many other sites still on Cloudflare.

This concerns me and should deeply concern everyone about the state of the Internet.

Maybe don't make a doxxing website? Seems to work for all other Cloudfare clients.

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More like Null shield have lawyermaxxed years ago but that works have required foresight and a stable income

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If he had run a tenbux site like lowtax:

  • lower server costs

  • more disposable income

  • less attention

He's r-slurred for doing it for free.

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He'd still run into problems with payment processors though. I'm not knowledgeable enough on how to circumvent that however.

Wild that after all these years, Lowtax's Funhouse still had the best idea for abusing it's userbase.

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Tencoins, then. If anything it's gotten easier since SA

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that's not really what this episode is about

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None of the not-insane Cloudfare client sites have been banned, just sayin.

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Have you learned nothing from reddit's history wrt censorship? It started with /r/jailbait. the easiest target, because everyone is against it.

And the first time when activists tried to get it banned, the owners of reddit (all of them!) responded with "Nope, we are committed to free speech absolutism, we'll only ever ban content that is actually illegal in the US."

Well, a year (and a lot of negative PR) later, they did delete it, with the same kind of speech as cloudflare gave "this does not set a precedent. we only make an exception this one time, but we will never ban any other legal content."

From then on more and more subs (always the the one whose existence was the hardest to defend) were banned. often with the same speech: "but only this last time, we won't ever ban any other ind of content").

Now we're at the point where reddit bans lesbian subreddits if their users don't want to get peepeeed down by heckin valid barbie wands.

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You can't be seriously making a case against my statement via a straight-up pedophilia subreddit. This is beyond parody.

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Oh, I didn't know you were r-slurred.

Learn to read.

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You are the one here defending a p-dophile subbreddit, so.

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And, in your tard opinion, where did I do that?

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They did it because of the cesspit environment inside every American corporation. If the CEO doesn't cave in under sufficient pressure, his internal political rivals will extend the guilt of association to him personally, and he will lose his position. This is a modern-day equivalent of lynch mobs that has nothing to do with reason, good intentions or due process.

Lynch mobs would kill people you know. They’d hang them from a tree or worse. This isn’t equivalent to that at all.

:#marseyakshually: no one was murdered here, language cannot evolve, this was not an ipso facto lynch mob, unlike the LITERAL lynch mob going after keffals.

I am no fan of kiwifarms, I have my own reasons to hate that site but I also strongly support free speech so I simply don't visit. That's changed for the past month because keffals decided to open another pandora's box. Anyone not only getting their info from keffals + supporters can see that this was a coordinated attack. A anonymous call from someone claiming to be a KW member swatting a politician prone to jumping the gun, a dormant account posting a threat that keffals supporters caught immediately and paraded around twitter, that causes matthew prince to cut off KW soon after. Not only is this a bad precedent to anyone who hosts content that rejects keffals lifestyle choices but this gives many pro-censorship politicians ammunition to push more moderation of the internet while the progressive types continue to do exactly what they claimed kiwifarms was doing.

Suprised this comment hasn't been greyed out yet, but there are more than a few free-speechers and technolibertarians on slashdot and hackernews.

A lengthy article about the ban supposedly written on the day of the ban by Taylor Lorenz? Taylor Lorenz who doxxed people[1], lied about companies and people, was actively involved in several deplatformings and is currently being sued for defamation[2]? If anything, this makes me even more suspicious of the narrative about Kiwi Farms. This looks more and more like a coordinated campaign. A basic search reveals a huge amount of recent articles that clearly aim to sic people on Cloud Flare[3][4][5][etc]. By amazing coincidence all these articles got published within one week of each other and within one week of Cloudflare dropping the website? Sure.

[1] https://unherd.com/thepost/why-taylor-lorenz-can-dox-whoever...

[2] https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/ny-times-reporter-taylor-loren...

[3] https://thenewstack.io/cloudflares-kiwi-farms-support-may-so...

[4] https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-cloudflare-pres...

[5] https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/clo...

Taylor Lorenz going for the drama field goal kick

Boycotting and cancel culture are quite different. At its core, cancel culture involves the isolation of a person or company by forcing their immediate network of friends or other connections. The cancellers force these connections to choose (under duress) between the cancelee and everyone else. If this doesn't work, they attack a connection's connections the same way. For instance, if they don't like you, they report you to your employer. If your employer defends you, they attack your employer's relationships with their customers, suppliers, and employees. Basically, cancel culture exploits social networks to force the submission of an opponent.

Cancel culture isn't real, and if it was it's a good thing chud

Hackercels are really spun up, I'm enjoying skimming through this. Great job on the post too @InternetCustodian

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deadname > murder, chud

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language cannot evolve

but also woman means anything i want it to mean!

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the LITERAL lynch mob going after keffals.

who, the 36 IRA bombers? are they real?

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Sorry King, should have put a /s there :marseyjam:

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The "threat" bullshit is an incredibly weak excuse for going back on what he had just announced. There were definitely some phone calls made in those 48 hours and some kind of coercion was involved.

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You're insulting me because:

You cannot back up your claims

You logically cannot process that I'm right and you're wrong.

You're of limited intelligence

And since everything in your life seems to be done for you, you cannot make your own cogent argument.

Go ahead and call me more names and tell me I'm a prime suspect for your reeducation camps. Those will only exist in your imagination as there will be no revolution because you have no revolutionaries and almost none of the weapons, certainly very little battlefield experience. How do you imagine you'd win a revolution against me?

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ctrl-f "bad faith"

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One of my personal life goals is gonna be to whip up a mob to get something I don’t like shut down, I bet it feels super satisfying

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I got dramatards to pay for my unblockable so I could harass belial, it ended up feeling more like a responsibility than a victory. Your story may be different

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There are no bad tactics, just bad targets :marseywholesome:

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This but unironically.

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Darn so it might actually have been a false flag. Keffals outplayed kiwifarms

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I'm no sperg most of the time but at the very least the mtg one was a very obvious false flag (the 4chan one looks very suspicious, as does the kf one).

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We'll see what retribution kiwicels are capable of

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Retribution, depicted:

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They're gonna give him the Dsp treatment of never not obsessing, so Keff is stuck with KF for the rest of his life regardless

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>I've not yet moved my domains from Cloudflare, because a part of me thinks that Matthew will recognize this as an err in judgement.

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Glad to see the ycombos are actually mostly defending KF on this. KF may be a nuch of tards, but it's not right what CF did.

EDIT: Haha, @chiobu upvoted. You're an exception to my tard comment. Or maybe, you're simply my favourite KF tard!

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I've been here a year so I'm definitely a tard :marseyitsover:

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Double tarded then, but based. In terms of basedness for the 'tist sites, it goes Reddit < Slashdot < Ycombinator < rDrama < kiwifarms.

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You just know they're all turboautists when they say shit like "but that'd mean they lied and lying is unlawful".

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all KF had to do was comply.

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:#marseycantsneed:

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honestly disappointing :marseyitsover:

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They used to do this on incel subreddits. Create new accounts, post some outrage shit and then never post again. Its so fricking obvious.

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The primary goal is to increase the left's institutional power.

They know that KF will still exist and will move on from Cloudflare. The point isn't to hurt KF, but to hurt Cloudflare for daring to nominally support free speech. That's why they're botting hashtags, putting pressure on the stock price, and encouraging tech decision-makers to move their startups away from Cloudflare. The point is to say: if you do not pander to us, we will come for you.

It's an effective way to cement power over institutions from the bottom-up, without actually controlling those institutions.

It's a similar kind of social movement to the film censorship movement in early 20th century America, which was largely grassroots and yet ended up controlling the US's entire cultural output for most of a century.

Quit nooticing things goyim

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How do you think that this tactic will evolve if their mouthpieces begin to be actually targeted for violence?

Seeing how often people in major cities die for no reason and nothing comes of it, it seems almost too easy.

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