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Kiwi Farms response to CloudFlare | Hacker News :!marseysoycry:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711475

Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince stated an imminent threat to human life was why he revoked our service.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684136187595889.webp

He elaborates in his post, and claims violent rhetoric had ramped up.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684136187983825.webp

This seems to be based off one of two things:

1. A post made on 4chan's /pol/ with a picture taken outside an apartment in Ireland which references the forum.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361883418362.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361887021022.webp

2. A series of posts made by one user, @Washizu Iwao (formerly @Serotonin).

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361890932152.webp

This means that a community with 16,000 daily sign-ins is being punished for the behavior of a single user, or a person not even on our website.

The post by @Washizu Iwao was posted at 9:42pm EU time. It was reported seven times. After 32 minutes it was deleted by @Ride, one of our admins. The user was also banned.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361894081063.webp

Our website makes no money. All of our moderators are volunteers. It took Facebook (with a 24/7 staff of paid moderators) 29 minutes to remove the Christchurch shooting from Facebook Live.

This user joined in 2020, but the account remained inactive until July, 2022.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361896769733.webp

He made a single, low-effort post in an on-topic board before going dormant again until August 21st. Every subsequent post was in the Keffals thread.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16841361901684802.webp

This person is not an active member of the community. This appears to be a sleeper account someone had gotten access to in July, and kept on hand to use like this.

On August 31st, Matthew Prince released a strong statement defending his role as a service provider and not a regulatory body. 3 days later, something scared him. I don't know what it was, but it achieved the desired result. In his explanation post, which reads as rushed and irrational, he tries to mitigate the whiplash between the two opposing statements by saying we are the worst site he has ever seen - because one post (which was already deleted by the time he pulled the plug) made a violent threat.

The precedent has been set. At Cloudflare, with enough pressure, a single post by a strange account can be made to threaten a 9-year-old community and the tens of thousands of people who have used it every day for years. There has never been a violent incident in our history, which cannot be said for many other sites still on Cloudflare. This narrative feels like a lie spun up to save face.

Even now, I have received zero communication from Cloudflare, U.S. Law Enforcement, the Irish Garda, or the Royal Ulster Constabulary regarding anything related to #DropKiwiFarms or its members.

This concerns me and should deeply concern everyone about the state of the Internet.

I'll have more to say later. I've not yet moved my domains from Cloudflare, because a part of me thinks that Matthew will recognize this as an err in judgement. The decision is simply too asinine for me to accept as reality.
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They did it because of the cesspit environment inside every American corporation. If the CEO doesn't cave in under sufficient pressure, his internal political rivals will extend the guilt of association to him personally, and he will lose his position. This is a modern-day equivalent of lynch mobs that has nothing to do with reason, good intentions or due process.

Lynch mobs would kill people you know. They’d hang them from a tree or worse. This isn’t equivalent to that at all.

:#marseyakshually: no one was murdered here, language cannot evolve, this was not an ipso facto lynch mob, unlike the LITERAL lynch mob going after keffals.

I am no fan of kiwifarms, I have my own reasons to hate that site but I also strongly support free speech so I simply don't visit. That's changed for the past month because keffals decided to open another pandora's box. Anyone not only getting their info from keffals + supporters can see that this was a coordinated attack. A anonymous call from someone claiming to be a KW member swatting a politician prone to jumping the gun, a dormant account posting a threat that keffals supporters caught immediately and paraded around twitter, that causes matthew prince to cut off KW soon after. Not only is this a bad precedent to anyone who hosts content that rejects keffals lifestyle choices but this gives many pro-censorship politicians ammunition to push more moderation of the internet while the progressive types continue to do exactly what they claimed kiwifarms was doing.

Suprised this comment hasn't been greyed out yet, but there are more than a few free-speechers and technolibertarians on slashdot and hackernews.

A lengthy article about the ban supposedly written on the day of the ban by Taylor Lorenz? Taylor Lorenz who doxxed people[1], lied about companies and people, was actively involved in several deplatformings and is currently being sued for defamation[2]? If anything, this makes me even more suspicious of the narrative about Kiwi Farms. This looks more and more like a coordinated campaign. A basic search reveals a huge amount of recent articles that clearly aim to sic people on Cloud Flare[3][4][5][etc]. By amazing coincidence all these articles got published within one week of each other and within one week of Cloudflare dropping the website? Sure.

[1] https://unherd.com/thepost/why-taylor-lorenz-can-dox-whoever...

[2] https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/ny-times-reporter-taylor-loren...

[3] https://thenewstack.io/cloudflares-kiwi-farms-support-may-so...

[4] https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-cloudflare-pres...

[5] https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/clo...

Taylor Lorenz going for the drama field goal kick

Boycotting and cancel culture are quite different. At its core, cancel culture involves the isolation of a person or company by forcing their immediate network of friends or other connections. The cancellers force these connections to choose (under duress) between the cancelee and everyone else. If this doesn't work, they attack a connection's connections the same way. For instance, if they don't like you, they report you to your employer. If your employer defends you, they attack your employer's relationships with their customers, suppliers, and employees. Basically, cancel culture exploits social networks to force the submission of an opponent.

Cancel culture isn't real, and if it was it's a good thing chud

Hackercels are really spun up, I'm enjoying skimming through this. Great job on the post too @InternetCustodian

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language cannot evolve

but also woman means anything i want it to mean!

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the LITERAL lynch mob going after keffals.

who, the 36 IRA bombers? are they real?

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Sorry King, should have put a /s there :marseyjam:

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deadname > murder, chud

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:#marseycantsneed:

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all KF had to do was comply.

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What's funny is that trains have this power but will continually cry that they are oppressed. lol

Also, I like how no news stations mention the Catboy Ranch or the bathtub HRT to 13 year old boys. I hate journ*lists so much. They paint it as if keffals is an innocent person just on the internet and they just randomly targeted a train for no reason.

Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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Keffals (a notorious doxxer) being defended in the WaPo by Taylor Lorenz (a notorious doxxer), both complaining loudly about people who dox.

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Anything short of unyielding subservience is trans genocide you chud.

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What's funny is that trains have this power but will continually cry that they are oppressed. lol

>When all of modern society, corporations, public institutions, fandom/nerd communities, films, cartoons, comics, video games, internet websites, and social media in Canada, socially progressive American states, and Western Europe bows down to you, obeys your demands, and censors anyone who dares to question your fetish sacred religious doctrine, but a bunch of literally who internet autists archive public information of you grooming children and often fricking animals

:#goingcrazy:

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Never forget the train who said that black people who aren't an ally haven't experienced enough racism. Totally not a racist though.

:#marseyclueless:

Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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Well they already think they share the same struggle considering how they already view themselves as the Jackie Robinsons and the Little Rock Nines of the world

https://www.undelete.pullpush.io/r/politics/comments/thylyt/texas_ag_misgenders_assistant_health_secretary/

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mentioning that dudes degeneracy would be in bad faith. It really is amazing the parts of stories they just happen to leave out

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Power likes to hide, it's the most important way power protects itself from usurpers.

e.g. Who has how much power in the US government? Only a few people really know.

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Journ*lists are so shamelessly dishonest holy shit. I guess the trope of trust fund kids. i.e. journ*lists being soulless ghouls really is true.

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At some point, one of these trains :marseydramautist: will :marseyclueless: be a registered s*x offender and The Washington Post :marseyfuriosa: will :schopenmarsey: write an article praising their latest crusade without ever mentioning it. 2020s journ*lism for you baby. :marseybaby:

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"Trains have all this power but still cry that they're oppressed"

This just convinced me that trans women are women

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choo choo motherlover

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Darn so it might actually have been a false flag. Keffals outplayed kiwifarms

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I'm no sperg most of the time but at the very least the mtg one was a very obvious false flag (the 4chan one looks very suspicious, as does the kf one).

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"Hello, please swat this famous politician, and my name is I HATE BIPOC from the notorious hate site KIWIFARMS"

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We'll see what retribution kiwicels are capable of

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Retribution, depicted:

:#leokay:

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They're gonna give him the Dsp treatment of never not obsessing, so Keff is stuck with KF for the rest of his life regardless

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One of my personal life goals is gonna be to whip up a mob to get something I don’t like shut down, I bet it feels super satisfying

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There are no bad tactics, just bad targets :marseywholesome:

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This but unironically.

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You should convince the train brigade that Stephen King is a terf.

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He’s a chomo:marseywoodchipper:

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I got dramatards to pay for my unblockable so I could harass belial, it ended up feeling more like a responsibility than a victory. Your story may be different

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The primary goal is to increase the left's institutional power.

They know that KF will still exist and will move on from Cloudflare. The point isn't to hurt KF, but to hurt Cloudflare for daring to nominally support free speech. That's why they're botting hashtags, putting pressure on the stock price, and encouraging tech decision-makers to move their startups away from Cloudflare. The point is to say: if you do not pander to us, we will come for you.

It's an effective way to cement power over institutions from the bottom-up, without actually controlling those institutions.

It's a similar kind of social movement to the film censorship movement in early 20th century America, which was largely grassroots and yet ended up controlling the US's entire cultural output for most of a century.

Quit nooticing things goyim

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Tbf, the only reason leftoids and trains are able to do this is because rightoids are both too r-slurred to do it themselves, and have unironically accepted the idea of “fair play”. That does not work; not in politics nor cultural power.

If rightoids even wake up en masse and replace the defensive no with an aggressive attack, the situations would be reversed.

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The problem is that rightoids ignoring fair play is how you get unironic fascism

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Check my pronouns. ;)

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>FLAIR UP AUTH RIGHT

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leftoids will get you there too, just as fast

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Leftoids give you Brave New World, rightoids give you 1984.

I'm so glad to be on this train

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Brave new world is a cope, lefties will give you 1984 with normalized child s*x

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It is so phenomenally r-slurred to believe that the leader figure in that story embodies leftist principles.

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The real leftist dystopia is indefinable because there is no such thing as leftist principles.

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That's a problem?

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Posting here would be punishable by death, which is a good thing, so no

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Tbf, the only reason leftoids and trains are able to do this is because rightoids are both too r-slurred to do it themselves, and have unironically accepted the idea of “fair play”. That does not work; not in politics nor cultural power.

I guess the problem is that people think of the chuds and autists of the net as the "right". Meanwhile the actual people with power in the right wing got so many tax cuts the state is indebted by over a 100% of the total GDP with new debt ceilings having to be approved every few years, they packed the courts, gerrymandered voting districts to heck and back and banned abortion against the opinion of the majority of the country.

Ultimately Kiwifarms are a bunch of losers, and I say that while sincerely empathizing with their goal of making the lives of mentally ill freakshows as miserable as possible. And trains are playing this game to feel a sense of power and victory over the "enemy" that they normally would never get in real life. I guess when you've been bullied for long enough that's the sort of power dynamic you're used to.

My point is that we shouldn't really lose perspective and confuse petty power struggles over the internet with actual politics, I guess. Nothing any of these people do will ever matter in real life. That's what makes it fun

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The thing is, those irl conservatives conserve jack shit in 99% of cases. Besides the wallet of the rich that is. The abortion decision came as a shock to everyone. If the GOP was truly representative of the average rightoid, think about what the usa would look like

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If the GOP was truly representative of the average rightoid

Of course it isn't. The GOP represents its own interests, that's obvious. In the end the ones who benefitted the most from globalization and the breakdown of social customs and immigration laws are the party and business elites. That's why asking Trump to bring back coal to the midwest is kind of like the turkey asking nicely if you would get it out of the oven on Thanksgiving. But your average redneck is simply too stupid to get this. They see team red and team blue, only team blue is calling them a racist ethnic cleanser while team red is talking about Jesus and NASCAR.

Just the same as the Democrats, to be honest. They'll never forgive student debt or implement UBI or move towards socialism in any of the ways their Twitter base would love them to do. Their last big attempt at that was Sanders, and they didn't even bother to hide how they sabotaged him from inside his own party. Normally your average leftist is able to understand this, but the pressure of identity politics and the fear of the orange man ends up meaning he still ends up voting for the Democrats either way, and so he's just as powerless as the rightoid, even if he's not as deluded.

They both are kind of exactly the same in all of the ways that matter. As long as the material incentives for the ruling class remain the same it doesn't really matter what people vote, the long term results are the same. Well, I guess if Hillary got her turn now foids shouldn't need to cross state lines to get an abortion, big whoop. The overton window is a point with some autists screeching impotently at the fringes.

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Nice to see another person get this.

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I guess the problem is that people think of the chuds and autists of the net as the "right". Meanwhile the actual people with power in the right wing got so many tax cuts the state is indebted by over a 100% of the total GDP with new debt ceilings having to be approved every few years, they packed the courts, gerrymandered voting districts to heck and back and banned abortion against the opinion of the majority of the country.

It's just r-slurred burger system strikes again. Also, someone's to blame for shaming the poignant term "alt-right" into the cringeland.

Socio-eco-political landscape is a genderfluid non-binary queen, and our overregulated language just fails to portray xer in all xer glory. Long story short, the "right" can mean 20 different things that appear to be historically related mostly just by accident.

Nothing any of these people do will ever matter in real life.

Fukuyama nonsense.

:boomer: : "I don't understand phone, so it can't harm me."

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Long story short, the "right" can mean 20 different things that appear to be historically related mostly just by accident.

Yup. It's just a coalition of forces that exist as a reaction to the left. Which is why it's so ironic the left has infinitely more infighting than the right even though a capitalist and a religious nut have way less to do with each other than a couple of anarchists that belong to slightly different groups. The narcissism of small differences is a b-word, I guess.

Fukuyama nonsense

Come on, really? My point was that weirdos and sexual deviants on the internet are so far removed from the levers of power it doesn't matter what they do or don't do. I can recognize a stupid Twitter nerd bitchslap fight for what it is, that doesn't mean I believe nothing will ever change. It will, material conditions are ever changing. But it certainly won't happen because of these people. They are the (unfortunate) consequence of the historical moment we're in right now, not its cause. The behavioral sink as described by Calhoun.

Wait a sec I just realized I'm seriousposting. Let me add some Marseys :marseypearlclutch: :marseyglow::marseyinshallah::marseyeggirl:

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Rightoids are more likely to want to be left alone. leftoids come up with insane cult shit like "silence is violence."

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Ok, but how can I get neither group of r-slurs to do it?

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You can’t. At least, not really. This is something intrinsic to leftism (not to be confused with progressivism) as leftist doctrine calls for cementing power by any means.

Rightoids, meanwhile, can be kept at bay as long as everything moves slowly, moves okayy, and the leftoids (and progressives) are kept silent.

If you want both groups to be quiet, you’d need an auth liberal state (ex: Peron).

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>Tbf, the only reason leftoids and trains are able to do this is because rightoids are both too r-slurred to do it themselves, and have unironically accepted the idea of “fair play”.

yup. sad.

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How do you think that this tactic will evolve if their mouthpieces begin to be actually targeted for violence?

Seeing how often people in major cities die for no reason and nothing comes of it, it seems almost too easy.

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You just know they're all turboautists when they say shit like "but that'd mean they lied and lying is unlawful".

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honestly disappointing :marseyitsover:

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They used to do this on incel subreddits. Create new accounts, post some outrage shit and then never post again. Its so fricking obvious.

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The "threat" bullshit is an incredibly weak excuse for going back on what he had just announced. There were definitely some phone calls made in those 48 hours and some kind of coercion was involved.

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ctrl-f "bad faith"

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Glad to see the ycombos are actually mostly defending KF on this. KF may be a nuch of tards, but it's not right what CF did.

EDIT: Haha, @chiobu upvoted. You're an exception to my tard comment. Or maybe, you're simply my favourite KF tard!

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I've been here a year so I'm definitely a tard :marseyitsover:

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Double tarded then, but based. In terms of basedness for the 'tist sites, it goes Reddit < Slashdot < Ycombinator < rDrama < kiwifarms.

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There has never been a violent incident in our history, which cannot be said for many other sites still on Cloudflare.

This concerns me and should deeply concern everyone about the state of the Internet.

Maybe don't make a doxxing website? Seems to work for all other Cloudfare clients.

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that's not really what this episode is about

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None of the not-insane Cloudfare client sites have been banned, just sayin.

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Have you learned nothing from reddit's history wrt censorship? It started with /r/jailbait. the easiest target, because everyone is against it.

And the first time when activists tried to get it banned, the owners of reddit (all of them!) responded with "Nope, we are committed to free speech absolutism, we'll only ever ban content that is actually illegal in the US."

Well, a year (and a lot of negative PR) later, they did delete it, with the same kind of speech as cloudflare gave "this does not set a precedent. we only make an exception this one time, but we will never ban any other legal content."

From then on more and more subs (always the the one whose existence was the hardest to defend) were banned. often with the same speech: "but only this last time, we won't ever ban any other ind of content").

Now we're at the point where reddit bans lesbian subreddits if their users don't want to get peepeeed down by heckin valid barbie wands.

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You can't be seriously making a case against my statement via a straight-up pedophilia subreddit. This is beyond parody.

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Oh, I didn't know you were r-slurred.

Learn to read.

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You are the one here defending a p-dophile subbreddit, so.

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And, in your tard opinion, where did I do that?

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More like Null shield have lawyermaxxed years ago but that works have required foresight and a stable income

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If he had run a tenbux site like lowtax:

  • lower server costs

  • more disposable income

  • less attention

He's r-slurred for doing it for free.

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He'd still run into problems with payment processors though. I'm not knowledgeable enough on how to circumvent that however.

Wild that after all these years, Lowtax's Funhouse still had the best idea for abusing it's userbase.

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Tencoins, then. If anything it's gotten easier since SA

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>I've not yet moved my domains from Cloudflare, because a part of me thinks that Matthew will recognize this as an err in judgement.

:marseylaugh::marseysmug2:

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You're insulting me because:

You cannot back up your claims

You logically cannot process that I'm right and you're wrong.

You're of limited intelligence

And since everything in your life seems to be done for you, you cannot make your own cogent argument.

Go ahead and call me more names and tell me I'm a prime suspect for your reeducation camps. Those will only exist in your imagination as there will be no revolution because you have no revolutionaries and almost none of the weapons, certainly very little battlefield experience. How do you imagine you'd win a revolution against me?

Snapshots:

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Please solicit upvotes, comments, and submissions. Users are stupid and need to reminded to vote and interact. Thanks for the gold, kind stranger, upvotes to the left.

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Be snarky. Don't be kind. Have fun banter; don't be a dork. Please don't use big words like "fulminate". Please sneed at the rest of the community.

Comments should get more enlightened and centrist, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

If disagreeing, please reply to the argument and call them names. "1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be improved to "1 + 1 is 3, not 2, mathfaggot"

Please respond to the weakest plausible strawman of what someone says, not a stronger one that's harder to make fun of. Assume that they are bad faith actors.

Eschew jailbait. Paedophiles will be thrown in a wood chipper, as pertained by sitewide rules.

Please post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. All press is good press.

Please use Slacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples weak ideologies.

Please comment on whether someone read an article. If you don't read the article, you are a cute twink.

Please pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Don't nitpick stupid crap.

Please don't be an unfunny chud. Nobody cares about your opinion of X Unrelated Topic in Y Unrelated Thread. If you're the type of loser that belongs on /h/chudrama, we may exile you.

Sockpuppet accounts are encouraged, but please don't farm dramakarma.

Please use uppercase for emphasis.

Please post deranged conspiracy theories about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email [email protected] and dang will add you to their spam list.

Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, report it and our moderators will probably do nothing about it. Feed egregious comments by replying instead of flagging them like a pussy. Remember: If you flag, you're a cute twink.

Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. That's too boring, even for HN users.

Please seethe about how your posts don't get enough upvotes.

Please don't post comments saying that rdrama is turning into ruqqus. It's a nazi dogwhistle, as old as the hills.

Miscellaneous:

We reserve the right to exile you for whatever reason we want, even for no reason at all! We also reserve the right to change the guidelines at any time, so be sure to real them at least once a month. We also reserve the right to ignore enforcement of the guidelines at the discretion of the janitorial staff. Be funny, or at least compelling, and pretty much anything legal is welcome provided it's on-topic, and even then.

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