Orange site: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32811723
Collage of dozens of images made with Stable Diffusion, indexed by Lexica
On Sunday, popular furry art community Fur Affinity announced that AI-generated art was not allowed because it “lacked artistic merit.” (In July, one AI furry porn generator was uploading one image every 40 seconds before it was banned.) Their new guidelines are very clear:
Content created by artificial intelligence is not allowed on Fur Affinity.
AI and machine learning applications (DALL-E, Craiyon) sample other artists’ work to create content. That content generated can reference hundreds, even thousands of pieces of work from other artists to create derivative images.
Our goal is to support artists and their content. We don’t believe it’s in our community’s best interests to allow AI generated content on the site.
Last year, the 27-year-old art/animation portal Newgrounds banned images made with Artbreeder, a tool for “breeding” GAN-generated art. Late last month, Newgrounds rewrote their guidelines to explicitly disallow images generated by new generation of AI art platforms:
AI-generated art is not allowed in the Art Portal. This includes using cowtools such as Midjourney, Dall-E, and Craiyon, in addition fractal generators and websites like ArtBreeder, where the user selects two images and they are combined into a new image via machine learning.
There are cases where some use of AI is ok, for example if you are primarily showcasing your character art but use an AI-generated background. In these cases, please note any elements where AI was used so that it is clear to users and moderators.
Tracing and coloring over AI-generated art is something best shared on your blog, as it is much like tracing over someone else’s art.
Bottom line: We want to keep the focus on art made by people and not have the Art Portal flooded with computer-generated art.
It’s not just long-running online communities: InkBlot is a budding art platform funded on Kickstarter in 2021 that went into open beta just this week. They’ve already taken a “no tolerance” policy against AI art, and updating their terms of service to exclude it.
Hi, we mentioned a few days ago that we have a no tolerance for AI art & working on updating our ToS in coming day for this which you can see in tweet here: https://t.co/5NCCKDYVWv
— 🦋InkBlot @ MEMBERSHIP DRIVE (@inkblot_art) September 9, 2022
Platforms that haven’t taken a stand are now facing public pressure to clarify their policies.
DeviantArt is one of the most popular online art communities, and increasingly, members are complaining that their feeds are getting flooded with AI-generated art. One of the most popular threads in their forums right now asks the staff to “combat AI art” by limiting daily uploads, either by segregating it under a special category or to ban it entirely.
https://x.com/DeviantArt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw You were kind of the last art site dedicated to art, but everyday I check the site now more and more its Ai. 10 out of 25 on your front page is Ai gen images. I guess this actually might be the end of a lot of art sites? I hope someone steps in and makes a new site https://t.co/1Kez5FFQQF
— Zakuga Art (@ZakugaMignon) September 6, 2022
ArtStation has also been quiet as AI-generated images grow in popularity there. “Trending on ArtStation” is one of the most popular prompts for AI art because of the particular aesthetic and quality of work found there, which nudges the AI to generate work scraped from it, leading to a future ouroboros where AI models will be trained on AI-generated art found there.
Every time I go to DA or Artstation these days the front pages are flooded with unmodified AI generated slop. Its ugly and makes the sites feel lesser. I go to these places to be inspired, not demoralized.
— RJ Palmer (@arvalis) September 9, 2022
However you feel about the ethics of AI art, online art communities are facing a very real problem of scale: AI art can be created orders of magnitude faster than traditional human-made art. A powerful GPU can generate thousands of images an hour, even while you sleep.
Lexica, a search engine that solely indexed images from Stable Diffusion’s beta tests in Groomercord, has over 10 million images in it. It would take a lifetime to explore everything in it, a corpus made by a relatively small group of beta testers in a few weeks.
Left unchecked, it’s not hard to imagine AI art crowding out illustrations that took days or weeks for someone to make.
To keep their communities active, community admins and moderators will have to decide what to do with AI art: allow it, segregate it, or ban it entirely.
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Can't deplatform your way out of this one. Sites that ban AI art are just opening the door to being displaced in their markets.
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The "market" of these sites are artists, aspiring or otherwise.
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How do they make money? Is it from users or artists? If the former, then they are opening themselves up to displacement.
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From users, but the artists are the users.
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Probably not the majority, and if AI can make art good enough for the users that don't make art? A site will exist to cater to them.
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Artstation makes its money through selling the ability to show of a portfolio and taking commission on digital products sold by its paying members (much of which is tutorials or other assets for creating art).
Deviant Art takes a cut out of images sold, and sells memberships that facilitate selling art.
Newgrounds seem to make money by selling forum perks, so they are a bit broader than a pure art place but they're still very much relying on nurturing a cohesive community and they are very much more about the creation of various things than they are about the consumption thereof.
No fricking clue about the last one, never used it.
And there are already tons of sites for users that don't make, but consume art. Instagram, pinterest, reddit etc.
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Of those, I think only Artstation would be smart to block AI art. The other 2 are still making money primarily from a mainstream consumer class, not the artists or businesses. Artists may claim that customers will prefer non ai art due to it's artistic purity, but history has proven that's false. Customers will always go wherever they can get the best value, and platforms that offer AI will eventually take over. Of course this doesn't really matter if a platform doesn't care about making money, so sites like newgrounds have enough grassroots support to live.
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I think you are overlooking how cliqueish/community minded Deviant Art is. It's in a sense a lot like an Artstation that lets the plebs in. I'd say that even the consumer class of Deviant Art consists of at least wannabe artists. But yeah, reddit/instagram/social media in general is absolutely going to get overrun with AI art.
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DeviantArt themselves claim 45 million unique users a month, of those, I'd be shocked if over 5% posted art with any amount of regularity. They are a minority. Remember most people on a platform are lurkers, and they don't really have strong moral principles. See reddit for an example of what lurkers feel (what's upmarseyd) vs what comments feel.
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Also sites like Instagram, reddit, and Pinterest are more like social media sites. The sites being referred to are more of an image repository, which appeals to a different market segment.
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