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:marseynull: Someone PISSED OFF Cloudflare, but NOT for the reasons you think :!marseykernelpanic:

https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/cloudflare-ip-blockade.html

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I don’t know what I did wrong, but I’ve angered one of the titans of the internet!

Unfortunately, not every web request can run the Cloudflare challenge page.

So, my original offense might not even have been against Cloudflare.

I had a terrible experience online for almost a week before everything cleared up.

The extension provides, what Cloudflare claims, is a privacy-preserving alternative to resolving CAPTCHA s on its challenge pages.

This might have affected the situation, but again, I have no insight into Cloudflare’s automated decision-making.

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build your own dns sweaty

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We did, it's called ENS. DNS isn't the problem, it's other points of centralization due to economies of scale.


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ENS would not be an ideal solution for most name resolution. It's woefully unequipped to deal with those volumes. Crypto trade is a drop in the bucket compared to the volume of overall requests exchanged on a daily basis.

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Lookups don't require onchain Tx, only changes to ownership and configuration.


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This comment is ignorant and/or naive. Lookups require onchain Tx in order to be verified and/or to prove ownership and/or configuration. Without onchain Tx, lookups are useless.

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you should know better than this bbbb


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onchain tx

Do you mean "onchain TXT", like DNS TXT record?

My concern wouldn't be with storage size. It would be with the propagation, resolution, and synchronization of this information. Distributing all these network activities across a lot of peers means there needs to be more two-way communication to maintain integrity of the "web" of data, which could mean considerably more load on networks if many peers are involved. In short, the volume of two-way traffic scales exponentially with the number of nodes maintaining a "web" of distributed data. This would not only impact overall network bandwidth, but it would also incur a cost to performance. Maybe I'm misunderstanding ENS. Would any given peer be able to perform all address resolutions, or would it need to sometimes/frequently reach out to other peers on the network to do so?

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It would be with the propagation, resolution, and synchronization of this information.

That's like one of two things crypto definitely has you covered on. Any verifier and every miner needs one, stores the whole blockchain and facilitates lookups, it's integral to how they operate.


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Again, I'm not talking about the "how" of it. I'm aware that blockchain has a way of doing that. I'm concerned with the intrinsic inefficiency of such systems deteriorating quality of service if implemented across the entire internet. Decentralization of a service across many more network nodes is necessarily less performant and more bandwidth intensive. This doesn't even get into the nature of how the current internet infrastructure has been optimized for downstream delivery.

Yes, ENS is something that could be used for niche applications. However, it's not scalable to a significant portion of the internet, let alone most of it.

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Each full node has the entire block chain and is thus able to do a lookup without talking to other nodes. Are you under the impression DNS servers are all centralized.


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Edit: Went back and reread your first comment:

DNS isn't the problem, it's other points of centralization due to economies of scale.

Emphasis mine. I think I now understand what you were originally saying.


Ok, so to implement a blockchain solution for domain name resolution, the full DNS table would be stored on a node? You said that changes to ownership and configuration would be stored in the blockchain, so I presume this means that each node would take the blockchain with these changes and build the DNS table themselves? I.e. "Aquota bought bussy.net, bussy.net points to address 123.4.5.678" would be the latest entry and configuration for "bussy.net" and thus that would be the listing for that domain within the newly built DNS table.

How would domain registration be handled? Would a single company implement its own ENS-like system? Wouldn't this just lead to a similar issue whereby a single company is making these host-limitation decisions, just with a more distributed infrastructure? If not, how does the overall system decide when a domain registration is "valid"?

Would the complete change history of every domain within one of these ENS-like systems be stored indefinitely? If so, wouldn't that lead to deteriorating performance over time for the first building or rebuilding of a DNS table?

Are you under the impression DNS servers are all centralized.

No, but they're more centralized than peer-to-peer systems.

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lol i love crypto but the ENS only just got back the eth.link domain cause that tornadocash dude owned it and got y'alled IRL

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and even then it's a little sussy

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eth.link is a way to access ens names from dns. Ens itself doesn't require dns to function.

>ens doesn't have possession of the domain, they have access to the account that can modify records

what do they think possession of a domain entails?

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Don't get me wrong, I love ENS, especially for the LINK airdrop :marseyjewoftheorient: but it's definitely not good optics when the kerfuffle over eth.link happened

what do they think possession of a domain entails?

eh my registrar and DNS provider's different so maybe that's what they're referring to, say for example I register most of my domains at namecheap but set the nameservers to point to Cloudflare's that's under a separate account

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>Just to clarify, ENS doesn't have posession of the domain, they have access to the account that can modify records and that is it.

That sure sounds like possession to me.

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Registrar and DNS providers might not be the same (using namecheap/etc to buy domains but nameservers set to Cloudflare for DNS for example) but yeah that tweet is ambiguous

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Cryptofascist OUT! :marseywallst::marseyshooting::marseytrans2:

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can you suck more rothschild peepee in two words?

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Transitory Inflation :marseynut:

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just travel to, terraform and civilize your own planet sweaty

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