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Google CEO Pichai tells employees not to 'equate fun with money' in heated all-hands meeting :marseytunaktunak:

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More sneed: https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/xm49gy/google_ceo_pichai_tells_employees_not_to_equate/?sort=controversial

As Google tries to navigate an unfamiliar environment of slowing growth, cost-cutting and employee dissent over cultural changes, CEO Sundar Pichai is finding himself on the defensive.

At a companywide all-hands meeting this week, Pichai was faced with tough questions from employees related to cuts to travel and entertainment budgets, managing productivity, and potential layoffs, according to audio obtained by CNBC.

Pichai was asked, in a question that was highly rated by staffers on Google's internal Dory system, why the company is "nickel-and-diming employees" by slashing travel and swag budgets at a time when "Google has record profits and huge cash reserves," as it did coming out of the Covid pandemic.

"How do I say it?" Pichai began his measured response. "Look, I hope all of you are reading the news, externally. The fact that you know, we are being a bit more responsible through one of the toughest macroeconomic conditions underway in the past decade, I think it's important that as a company, we pull together to get through moments like this."

The most recent all-hands meeting comes as Google parent Alphabet, Meta and other tech companies are staring into a slew of economic challenges, including a potential recession, soaring inflation, rising interest rates and tempered ad spending. Companies that, for the past decade-plus, have been known for high growth and an abundance of fun perks, are seeing what it's like on the other side.

In July, Alphabet reported its second consecutive quarter of weaker-than-expected earnings and revenue, and third-quarter sales growth is expected to dip into the single digits, down from more than 40% a year earlier. Pichai admitted that it's not just the economy that's caused challenges at Google but also an expanding bureaucracy at Google.

Still, he at times sounded annoyed in the meeting, and reminded staffers that, "We don't get to choose the macroeconomic conditions always."

After the company's head count ballooned during the pandemic, CFO Ruth Porat said earlier this year that she expects some economic issues to persist in the near term. Google has canceled the next generation of its Pixelbook laptop and cut funding to its Area 120 in-house incubator.

Google launched an effort in July called "Simplicity Sprint," which aimed to solicit ideas from its more than 174,000 employees on how to "get to better results faster" and "eliminate waste." Earlier this month, Pichai said he hoped to make the company 20% more productive while slowing hiring and investments.

How to be more productive

One of the top-rated questions posed by employees at this week's meeting asked Pichai to elaborate on his commentary regarding improved productivity and the 20% goal.

"I think you could be a 20-person team or a 100-person team, we are going to be constrained in our growth in a looking-ahead basis," Pichai said. "Maybe you were planning on hiring six more people but maybe you are going to have to do with four and how are you going to make that happen? The answers are going to be different with different teams."

Pichai said leadership is combing through more than 7,000 responses it's received from employees regarding suggestions from the Simplicity Sprint effort.

"Sometimes we have a product launch process, which has probably, over many years, grown more complicated than maybe it needs to be," Pichai said. "Can we look at that process and maybe remove two steps and that'll be an example of making something 20% more efficient? I think all of us chipping in and doing that across all levels, I think can help the company. At our scale, there is no way we can solve that unless units of teams of all sizes do better."

Pichai also briefly acknowledged the recent employee survey, in which employees criticized the company's growing bureaucracy.

Another employee question concerned how the company will share its plans for potential job cuts, after news leaked about the Pixelbook pullback and the cuts at Area 120, which affected workers' "ability to focus on work."

Pichai responded by saying that telling the entire workforce of cuts is "not a scaleable way to do it," but he said he will "try and notify the company of the more important updates."

The all-hands, known as TGIF (Thank God It's Friday) was in New York, where Pichai took questions in front of a live audience of employees.

"It's an interesting choice for Sundar to be in New York for TGIF the week after travel for employees is cut to only the most business critical," an employee wrote on Dory. "I'm sure Sundar has business-critical meetings in New York."

Pichai responded: "I think so. I think it qualified." Some in the audience erupted in laughter.

Pichai dodged employee questions asking about cost-cutting executive compensation. Pichai brought in total pay last year of $6.3 million, while other top executives made more than $28 million.

'We shouldn't always equate fun with money'

He did address the bigger theme of cost cuts, and indicated Google's culture can still be enjoyable even if some things, like certain swag items, are getting taken away.

"I remember when Google was small and scrappy," he said. "Fun didn't always --- we shouldn't always equate fun with money. I think you can walk into a hard-working startup and people may be having fun and it shouldn't always equate to money."

Employees wanted to know why management is asking employees to adhere to the return-to-office policy "while also saying no need to travel/connect in-person."

"I do understand some of the travel restrictions at a time like this and RTO and people wanting to see each other, definitely is not ideal," Pichai responded. "If you haven't seen your team in a while and it'll help your work by getting together in person, I think you can do that. I think that's why we are not saying no to travel, we are giving discretion to teams."

Kristin Reinke, head of Google finance, said at the meeting that sales teams will have more leeway to travel since their jobs require meeting with customers.

"We know there's a lot of value in being next to your team but we're just asking simply to be thoughtful and limit your travel and expenses where you can," Reinke said. For example, she asked that employees temper their expectations for holiday parties.

"Where you have summits and big meetings, please try to do them in the office," she said. "We definitely want people to still have fun. We know there's holiday parties coming up, there's year-end celebrations, we still want people to do that. But we're just asking them to keep them small, keep them informal --- try not to go over the top."

Towards the end of the meeting, Pichai addressed a question about why the company has shifted from "rapidly hiring and spending to equally aggressive cost saving."

Pichai disagreed with the characterization.

"I'm a bit concerned that you think what we've done is what you would define as aggressive cost saving," he said. "I think it's important we don't get disconnected. You need to take a long-term view through conditions like this."

He added that the company is "still investing in long-term projects like quantum computing," and said that at times of uncertainty, it's important "to be smart, to be frugal, to be scrappy, to be more efficient."

Bret Hill, Google's vice president of "total rewards," fielded a question about raises, equity and bonuses and how they will be affected by the changes. He said the company doesn't plan to deviate from paying workers "at the top end of the market so we can be competitive."

Pichai reiterated that sentiment.

"We're committed to taking care of our employees," he said. "I think we're just working through a tough moment macroeconomically and I think it's important we as a company align and work together."

A Google spokesperson said, "Sundar has been speaking to the company consistently over the last few months about ways we can be more focused." The spokesperson added Pichai reinforced that company "leaders are working to be responsible and efficient in all that their teams do" in a moment of uncertainty, and that they're "ensuring that our people are working on the highest impact / highest priority work."

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/23/google-ceo-pichai-fields-questions-on-cost-cuts-at-all-hands-meeting-.html

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He don’t miss

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So is this tech r-slurs being sad they're doing away with ping pong tables or is this actual stuff i should be concerned about?


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Goodie bags like Google merch are things you should be worried about, chud

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Google didn’t think the economy was going to be as bad as new forecasts are telling them it will be. It’s why they’ve shifted so rapidly from growth to “tempering expectations”.

I don’t envy people who recently started new jobs at tech companies for that large raise. New people are often the first to go in these situations.

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anything fun to read about like diversity boards getting fired?


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Give it 6 months or so probably.

Layoffs.fyi

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nice


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this the new frickedcompany.com?

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Thanks for the bookmark. Here's to a kino as frick recession.

:#marseycheers:

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Nah, just purging all the non-brahmin Indians.

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THEY ARE NOT GIVING AWAY FREE SPINNY HATS THIS YEARS. IT'S A CATASTROPHE AND WE NEED A COMMUNIST REVOLUTION

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He's a sexy Indian dude. If you've ever worked with a sexy Indian dude, you know that this is pretty on brand. At least he's honest. Nobody should think of a job as anything more than a job and do your hours and go home. It works both ways really, but corporations will say shit like this and then try to get you to work 15 hours a day just because they have food and monkey bars in the office.


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp

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:marseytunaktunak: and :marseymerchant: are exactly the same. Smell bad, ugly, weak, small peepees, csre exclusively about money-grubbing, and once you get one in a position of power, they'll only ever hire members of the same ethnicity. I've seen tech companies go from 90% white and east asian to 90% sexy Indian dudes in under a year simply because one got put in charge of hiring and then immediately brought in dozens of other men from his home state in India.

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Lol based :marseygivecrown: colonization

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Not really, 8 times out of 10 those 90% sexy indian dudes aren't half as competent, just overworked. This is why places like Japan and South Korea are so much poorer on a per capita basis. Doesn't matter how much you make someone work, at some point only greater competence will increase productivity.

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A lot of the h1bs are straight up incompetent because they get hired thanks to connections they have in the motherland. In fact it's pretty common to see low tier companies hire a slave caste of h1bs that they basically work into the ground under the threat of being sent back the moment they don't comply.

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The thing is though, if google goes down then we all do. Their products are key to society running smoothly. We should all be very scared. I wonder if there’s anyway to donate or start a go fund me for them.

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They’re not going down. But they’ll have to cut all their dumb vanity projects and make-work programs for diversity hires. They’ll always have someone to keep the ads and search servers chugging along.

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>Their products are key to society running smoothly

Like what? Aside from Android, Maps and YouTube, sure those are great. But search, Angular, Google Mail, and Google Docs, all have viable alternatives. I'm sure Analytics has some competition

They don't have a real competitor to AWS to my knowledge, most of their revenue is from ads, services less so. I'm sure they've got some neat AI projects but again their priority seems to be ads over usable software.

Correct me if I'm missing something

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Chud mansplaining has done nothing for anyone ever, daily reminder.

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:#marseybeanquestion:

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Apple is well positioned to take over their share of the pie. Give it a few more years and apple will likely outright buy one of these companies that kept going down.

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What a load of crap. Apple is a money-sucking machine that will never take over anything. They're all washed up and past their prime.

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Look, I hope all of you are reading the news

you have to admit though, this is a pretty good smackdown

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I'm not understanding the travel comments. Were people just flying to different branches for fun?

"Pichai dodged employee questions asking about cost-cutting executive compensation. Pichai brought in total pay last year of $6.3 million, while other top executives made more than $28 million."

Depends what they mean by top executives, but it sounds like they're only making 10-12x like mid range employees.

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Most likely there was a very low bar for getting company travel approved. So an industry seminar in Colorado would be a perfectly valid reason to fly 5 people there at one point even though it would add relatively little value.

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He was making $250M+ per year previously. Maybe his stock grants did not get renewed or was only set for certain years. I am not sure how it works at that level, but his pay was bonkers and his networth is crazy high

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Ohhhhh nooooooo I get paid 500k a year but I can't ride a segway to my office anymore

Lots of bitching about making shareholders happy in that reddit thread, not realizing the prices of the shares benefit the employees too

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"I think you can walk into a hard-working startup and people may be having fun and it shouldn’t always equate to money."

What the frick, no, there are no startups out there having "fun." All startups are aggressively trying to get a product out the door then sell it to a bigger company and make as much money as possible.

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Lol, you’ve never worked for a founder that knows how too grift the VCs. @AnnoyinTheGoyim assure you there’s plenty of them and those companies have lots of fun!

Detrans lives matter!

:#trumpjaktalking:

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Adam Neumann was the grifting GOAT. He was so good they let him go back for seconds.

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But they wear t-shirts and flip flops in the office!

And they have a little barcade set up!!

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They actually dont want you to wear flip-flops to the office anymore.

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I dunno. They tend to be fun because they aren't burdened with HR and layers of bureaucracy. Besides, who doesn't like shooting from the hip?

:marseybountyhunter:

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"It's an interesting choice for Sundar to be in New York for TGIF the week after travel for employees is cut to only the most business critical," an employee wrote on Dory. "I'm sure Sundar has business-critical meetings in New York."

Pichai responded: "I think so. I think it qualified." Some in the audience erupted in laughter.

Lmao, do you think he took economy to fly over there? :marseyhmm:

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No, but do you think 1k in additional travel costs to avoid replacing your CEO in a time of crisis is worth it.

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Obviously not, but the context of where and how he is giving the meeting matters. His job of being ceo is to lead the company well and when employees are laughing at him in all-hands its not a good look.

Also his reign of Google hasn't don't anything and if anything led to this "crisis." What has Google successfully launched the last decade? If the DOJ investigation of their antitrust case makes them break up their ad division the company is finished

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If the DOJ investigation of their antitrust case makes them break up their ad division the company is finished

:#marseybegging:

Please, God. If you give me this one thing I'll go to church every Sunday for the rest of my life.

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Sounded like the employees laughed at his response to a smugly r-slurred question. Who knows.

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more than 174,000 employees

Why? They had like 50,000 employees 10 years ago, have any of their products gotten any better with 3 times the workforce?

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Google docs now calls you a bigot when you type out Landlord.

And that's a good thing! :marseyagreefast:

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The current strategy for hiring in tech is insane. The biggest companies just look to hoard talent because random small time software engineers can disrupt the industry.

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Giving them a shitload of money and boring them out of their mind because there's nothing useful to do sounds like recipe for disaster in the future

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They are given a shitton of autonomy to work on random projects which mostly go nowhere.

The idea is to contain any possible innovations within their own company, although I'm not sure how effective this strategy actually is.

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I’m a codecel at a big tech company and I don’t really care about this at all. As long as I get a big fat bonus and raise this year, I can do without adding another company branded Columbia jacket to my closet.

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>firm expects a recession

>experienced lower than expected earnings

>talks about layoffs, reduced hiring, and scrapping the least valuable projects

But why are they cutting costs????

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Employees wanted to know why management is asking employees to adhere to the return-to-office policy "while also saying no need to travel/connect in-person."

It's part of the "+20% efficiency" plan. You don't have to follow our suggestion, but it won't look good on you when it comes to downsizing. :marseynails:

Google had one of the most luxurious WFH plans following covid19, so they're likely to have experienced higher than average impact in terms of lower productivity. It turns out working from home was an overrated pipe dream. :marseyshrug:

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You don't have to follow our suggestion, but it won't look good on you when it comes to downsizing. :marseynails:

You can come in to work, or you can tie your own noose. Even though I hate Google to my very core I have to admit this move is kinda based.

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It's subtle way of weeding out the lesser productive and compliant types.

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It’s sort of shocking they don’t have a representative in the comments to take all the great suggestions on how to proceed.

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Legitimately tho where were else can Google go but down? How do you sell MORE google? They've got 100% market saturation basically

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