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Orange site chuds seem to be for the repeal of affirmative action :!marseysoycrytremble:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33444137

Affirmative action in American college admissions may be about to end. On October 31st the Supreme Court heard two cases in which lawyers argued that the current practice---which allows universities to favour applicants of some races over others---violates civil-rights laws and the constitution. Judging by the sceptical questioning of the conservative justices, who thanks to Donald Trump now command a majority, the question is not whether such preferences will be restricted, but whether they will survive at all.

For more than 40 years the court has allowed some positive discrimination. But it has done so with discomfort. Too-obvious tactics like racial quotas, or awarding points for skin colour, were ruled excessive. The compromise was to consider race as one part of "holistic admissions" in a way that made its weight hard to discern. In 2003 Justice Sandra Day O'Connor declared the practice ought to be time-limited, expecting it to be unnecessary 25 years from then. If the court rules as expected in June 2023, five years ahead of Ms O'Connor's schedule, there will be some sorrow, but hardly the same backlash as met the overturning of the right to abortion set in Roe v Wade. Surveys show that majorities of African-Americans, Californians, Democrats and Latinx all oppose the use of race in college admissions (and in other areas). The demise of this unpopular scheme will offer a chance to build something better.

A diversity of backgrounds in elite institutions is a desirable goal. In pursuing it, though, how much violence should be done to other liberal principles---fairness, meritocracy, the treatment of people as individuals and not avatars for their group identities? At present, the size of racial preferences is large and hard to defend. The child of two college-educated Nigerian immigrants probably has more advantages in life than the child of an Asian taxi driver or a white child born into Appalachian poverty. Such backgrounds all add to diversity. But, under the current regime, the first is heavily more favoured than the others.

Racial preferences are not, however, the most galling thing about the ultra-selective universities that anoint America's elite. The legal case against Harvard, one of the universities defending itself before the Supreme Court, has prised open its admissions records to show the scale of unjustified advantage showered upon the already privileged---disproportionately those who are white and wealthy. A startling 43% of white students admitted to Harvard enjoy some kind of non-academic admissions preference: being an athlete, the child of an alumnus, or a member of the dean's list of special applicants (such as the offspring of powerful people or big donors).

A cynic could argue that racial balancing works as a virtue-signalling veneer atop a grotesquely unfair system. A study published in 2017 found that most of Harvard's undergraduates hailed from families in the top 10% of the income distribution. Princeton had more students from the top 1% than the bottom 60%. When this is the case, it seems unfair that it is often minority students---not the trust-funders---who have their credentials questioned. University presidents and administrators who preen about all their diverse classes might look at how Britain---a country of kings, queens, knights and lords---has fostered a university system that is less riven with ancestral privilege.

Unfairness in American education will not be fixed by one court ruling. But it will shock a system in need of reform. Legacy admissions should be ended. Colleges claiming that alumni donations would wither without them should look to Caltech, mit and Johns Hopkins---top-notch institutions that ditched the practice and, as The Economist went to press, still seemed reputable and solvent. Blunt racial preferences will probably need to be replaced in response to the Supreme Court. But a less socially divisive system based on income could take their place. That would do a better job of taking actual disadvantage into account. It would still favour non-white and non-Asian Americans, because they are more likely to be poorer, but would do so using a racially neutral method.

In some ways, the question of who gets into a handful of elite universities is a distraction from the deeper causes of social immobility in America. Schooling in poorer neighbourhoods was dismal even before covid-19. The long school closures demanded by teachers' unions wiped out two decades of progress in test scores for nine-year-olds, with hard-up, black and Latinx children worst affected. Efforts to help the needy should start before birth and be sustained throughout childhood. Nothing the Supreme Court says about the consideration of race in college admissions will affect the more basic problem, that too few Americans from poorer families are sufficiently well-nurtured or well-taught to be ready to apply to college. However the court rules, that is a debate America needs to have.■

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/11/02/american-society-is-so-focused-on-race-that-it-is-blind-to-class

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That said, Affirmative Action can reasonably make those from marginalized groups feel more welcome. In elementary school for example, I felt very out place among the largely affluent members of my accelerated math class. By contrast, I related much more to the mischievous truants who would later go on to be low-level criminals.

this is such an :marseyl: lol

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It's poor neighborhoods not minorities that suffer. I frickin hate reddit and this idiot is wrong, but poor people do have huge disadvantages and they just happen to mainly be black neighborhoods.


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and they just happen to mainly be black neighborhoods.

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No one is forcing men to avoid condoms and their subsequent children.

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it's called equality, you sexist christofascist. if women can choose to have an abortion, men can choose to abandon their children too! :scoot:

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:#marseyagree:

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this is such an :marseyl: lol

Why are you against affirmative action chud? It helps marginalized communities and minorities get into top universities that would've been left out. Enjoy your chud and pizza award.

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Is there some special consideration made for, say, Those who identify as Appalachian, given the profound disadvantage of that particular group?

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lmao of course not

trans lives matter tho :marseythumbsup:

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Orange site is going to end up being shut down if they don't start clamping down on all this wrongthink.

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I don’t think AA is really that popular in the real world. Even California voted against it in the 2020 election.

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Even California voted against it in the 2020 election

You mean California's asian pop voted against it, the white pop voted for it as always.

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The most robust relationship was between a county’s percentage of college graduates and “Yes” on 16, not race (r=0.740; r2=0.5476).

:soyjakhipster::marseysoycry: vs. :!marseymexican::!marseytunaktunak::!marseychingchong::!marseykkk:

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My uncle told me that black people suck.

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:#marseyhesright:

trans lives matter

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affirmative action goes directly against :quote: equality :quote: and i'll never believe different. i don't wanna be passed over for a black guy because i'm white, i want it to be because i suck and he's better!

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>equality

Get with the times, chud. It's all about equity now!

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then i need to get special treatment cause i'm just some white trash hillbilly!

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My leftist side is showing when I say that I really disagree with this shit but we got frickin rightoids in the supreme court now and this is going the way of Roe vs Wade and all the chanting outside in the world ain't gonna change it.


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AA is based on the notion that Obama's daughters have a harder life than some white trailer park kid with fentanyl junkie parents.

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Obama's daughters have a harder life than some white trailer park kid with fentanyl junkie parents

Yes, they need secret service just so they don't get shot by yt kkkops every day.

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darn that sounds tough bro

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It pretty clearly just increases racial animosity, I don’t think it accomplishes it’s goal.


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This comment is ignorant and offensive. "Racial animosity" is not caused by conversations about race and racism. Racism :marseyjewishkkk: is caused by the systematic discrimination of one race over :marseygiveup: another. If we don't talk about race, racism :marseycapyblackface: will :marseyclueless: continue to be a problem.

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Can you rank all the races @bbbb ?


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No, I cannot. And even if I could, it would be a completely pointless exercise because race is nothing more than a social :marseysjw: construct with no bearing on reality. So please :marseybeanpleading: stop being an ignorant bigot :marseynoooticer: and learn :marseyreading: to think :marseynoooticer: for yourself.

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I keep thinking for myself and finding all these hate facts. What do I do @bbbb?


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You certainly seem to be doing a great :marseyfingergoodjob: job of thinking :marseythinkorino: for yourself :marseycyanide: - why stop now? Keep :marseykys: looking for those "hate facts" and you'll be just :marseyblops2chadcel: fine.

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hey, baby, calm down. everything is gonna be OK.

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Don't call :marseyphonecall: me baby :marseybib: and don't tell me to calm :marseybeandrool: down. Nothing is going :marseysal2: to be OK.

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But do you like vegetables? And what about the vegans?

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I don't have to like vegetables to be a vegan. I can get all the nutrients I need from other sources. And vegans are not automatically healthier than meat-eaters.

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Why does removing affirmative action matter when you are talentless in addition to being mayo? Do chuds just want to dream?

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