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Alyssa Rosenzweig, a well-known Linux developer, publishes her manifesto. "I’m on the board overseeing Linux graphics. Half of us are trans. If all you care about is Linux, resist the attacks on trans people."

https://rosenzweig.io/blog/growing-up-alyssa.html

Comments:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36030969

https://archived.moe/g/thread/93632944/linux-graphics-stack-is-trans (EDIT: removed/jannied, archive: https://archived.moe/g/thread/93632944/)


HN users are noticing :marseynoooticer: something:

« I’m on the board overseeing Linux graphics. Half of us are trans »

From a purely statistical POV, this is absurdly bizarre.

Not really.

Statistically there will be weird coincidences completely naturally. It's also quite arbitrary which we see as meaningful. If say, Linux networking has unusually many people called "John" that probably will be unnoticed because nobody pays that much attention to common, unremarkable names. If they all randomly turn out to have green eyes, then that's more visible. It's completely subjective which of those is more remarkable.

There are also likely social effects -- people stick together, and some side interests align with some fields. Eg, I think it's reasonable to guess there's going to be more furries than average in VR development. Part because VR allow you to look like whatever you want a lot of the time, part because people will invite their friends in.

It is not just a random coincidence. It's a phenomenon more broadly across programming, especially very low-level/hardware stuff.

There does seem to be a correlation between autism spectrum and gender confusion, with the former often present in individuals who are into highly technical pursuits.

The logic seems to be not conforming to masculine stereotypes ==> must be a woman.

It's not "gender confusion". They know very well who they are. You are confused about the topic.

Meanwhile on /g/:

HRT destroys programmer communities the same way as crack was destroying black communities in the 1980s

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You know no one would actually care or even ask questions if someone's transgender or not if they didn't keep rubbing it in people's faces. People don't like girl peepee in their faces or manc*nts.

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The Linux kernel will be 100% Rust within a decade. Dead project

Trans lives matter

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God I hope so rust is so fetch!!

:#marseybegging:

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It's not going to happen

The object/memory model in Linux (how you pass around data) is extremely difficult to interface with w/ Rust. Huge fundamental parts of it would literally have to be rewritten in Rust and data structures rebuilt from the ground up, without solid backwards compatibility, which is rarely ever how major progress is made in mature software. It's always incremental and bit-by-bit.

Still there's tons of opportunities around the edges of Linux, like drivers, self-contained code, and userspace software that will very likely be heavily Rust in the coming years.

In the meantime the core of Linux will remain C for the foreseeable future.

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:#marseyakshually:

But yeah I know, I still like programming in rust tho

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:marseyeggirl#: trans lives matter

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Thanks to choo choos

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:marseybreastcan#cer: <--- this marsey was exposed to the trans lives matter movement for 12 seconds

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Beautiful chuddery

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It's fun when people get creative with their posts after being chudded.

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>Feminism advocating for women as a s*x caste fighting for their rights in a male-dominated world is the only type of feminism that makes any sense. Everything else is, to varying extents, pandering to male wants and desires.

:marseyhesright:

>The organized TERF movement and the far-right trans eliminationist movement are one and the same.

>For example, the Women's Liberation Front (WoLF), which brands itself as a left-wing group, has been working with the people pushing bills

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The organized TERF movement and the far-right trans eliminationist movement are one and the same.

You mean people with left leaning economics and generally socially liberal opinions, cant ever have nuanced opinions about specific subjects?

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It's so fricking obvious that neurodivergent trans people are just autists fixating on social roles they don't understand because they're not supposed to be neatly defined. It's crazy that no one with authority has stepped in to tell them that they're over thinking it.


:#marseytwerking:

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online discourse devastated by the use of 'over thinking' as a concept instead of others you disagree with being misguided in what they think about, as if amount is the problem, and there's some weird stopping point they are shooting past, its horrible

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There is legit such a thing as over thinking. There are fuzzy concepts that should be used as a not too examine heuristic or it breaks down. You genuinely miss the forest for the trees often and it's something autists are more liable than neurotypicals to do.


:#marseytwerking:

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It's become a catch all for "people that do things that I don't understand" and the need to express some specific condition can't be worth the collateral damage of "Everyone is just overthinking shit and they should chill out"

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No need for collateral, we can't neuter entire concepts because they are sometimes used irresponsibly.


:#marseytwerking:

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How about about 90% of the time including when you used it

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I used it correctly. Neurodivergents over think gender, it's why they go trans. They think there is significantly more tham there is and they end up wrapping their identify around the fixation.


:#marseytwerking:

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His fixation on that word and not on what you actually said is pretty neurodivergent in of itself, ironically.

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You are overthinking it.

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I appreciate you doing the needful Sal

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Make sure to switch showdead on for the HN link, lots of flagged :marseynoooticer: in the comments :marseysmug2:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36032240:

I blame porn and environment (family, friends, city, country).

Lily Wachowski explains that trans porn made him trans.

https://twitter.com/genericedd27617/status/1659081857793769472

:#marseyagree:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36032412:

Imagine if kid born 1980 or 1970 and his parents was told that this child age of 10 is decided to undergo chemical sterilization with puberty blockers and hormones, they would think that they speaking with Nazi and psychopats instead of doctors. Now it is other way around, sane people framed as Nazi and psychopaths while doctors experiment on children without parents consent. I'm glad there is still sane countries where this whole delusion is banned and not existing.

:#marseyagreefast:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36053317:

I don't give a shit if you think it's cruel. The sooner these pretenders are forced out of women's spaces for good, the better. Including the young man with the woe-is-me bullshit sob story who wrote that post. He can fuck right off with the rest of them.

Women have suffered too long putting up with this crap. Whether it's the dysphorics or the cross-dressing fetishists, these men just take and take and don't think of anyone but themselves, disregarding boundaries, stealing language, gaslighting en masse. My bile is wholly justified.

:#marseyagreesuperspeed:

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pic related, it's me upgrading to Windows 11

:#gigachad4:

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The tabs in file explorer are so goated since it can axtually load thumbnails

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No wonder Carmack went full chud. Working around these strags would make anyone hate them.

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Oh look, another 21 year old who knows everything about everything. Lmao I have plants older than that.

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No! You have to vote blue no matter how insane we act REEEE! :angrycomfypepe:

  • Someone who is totally not a sperg

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16849661541501503.webp

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The fact Americans genuinely think trans people are like Tutsis....

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684946950233171.webp

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not even trying to do trans voice, both presenters are trans and sound like regular dudes, just with long hair

how many years until new MtF dont even bother to pass?

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Half of them already don't bother to pass. Dudes with goatees are piling on makeup and expecting everyone to treat them as women.

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Eek

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A "well known linux developer" for Asahi linux. Basically Linux for macs. :#marseysalvindicated:

Pretty sure Linus would kick them out of any kernal development if they were ever involved.

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They’ve already upstreamed patches and the code is good even if everyone involved are culture warriors.


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No thanks, I'll stay silent and do nothing then be accused of being violent

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Ah yes, Linux graphics, famously unable to do literally anything at all.


:#marseytwerking:

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Don’t care

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Very brave, it's no wonder why Drew DeVault believes she should lead us.

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She’s also pretty young

She's 35, just twinky, dude on the right is 48

While the labor pool is disproportionately filled with white men, we can find many talented hackers who cannot be described as such.

uuhh hate to break it to you Drew but this dude isn't changing that pattern, both founders of Panfrost were born white males

If we choose to be inspired by them, and led by them, we will discover new perspectives on our software, and on our movement and its broader place in the world.

I never understood this argument, what 'perspective' can they offer GPU driver development? That republicans need to be put into FEMA camps?

'Diversity of thought' via putting various identities in a room very rarely ever has any real value. Unless they are designing a consumer product that wants to target niches, but very few people are actually doing that sort of job. And even if they did there's no reason a good designer can't learn/see things from other's perspectives. They do it all the time, they are nerds designing for non-technical commoners.

Moreover, there are a lot of darned good hackers who don’t look like me, and I would be happy to follow their lead regardless of any other considerations.

:marseytunaktunak::marseychingchong:

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I think she's 21.

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That’s possible can’t remember where I saw the age, maybe the 40 under 40 page

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The free software ecosystem (and the world at large) is not under threat from some woke agenda – a conspiracy theory which has been fabricated out of whole cloth.

:marseywait: we’ve got how many years until detrans ppl come out of the woodwork?


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There's no way 90% of people who have an opinion on this matter would dare enter that HN thread and talk honestly

the only resistence is the spergs who cant behave


c'mon HN, don't flag this. it's a perspective piece about being a trans developer in a harsh political landscape. we upvote and discuss this stuff quite often.

It's someones political manifesto. Not sure why it's relevant to HN.

Asking to not be oppressed is a manifesto?

nothing political at all about it, nope

ctrl-f "republican"

"You don’t need to like Democrats, but I need you to understand that if you vote Republican in 2024, you vote erasure. You vote oppression. You vote fascism."

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The story only has 160 points and 76 comments. I think most of HN just ignores these posts.

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Voting blue isn't political, it's basic human decency.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1684946461477008.webp

:#marseykingkrazy: i was gonna post this before I realized you already included it in the post lol:#marseykingkrazy:

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Truth

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Well, how you think the HRT gets into the community? We don’t own any pharmaceutical companies . We don’t own no doctors. We are not the people who are injectin that shit in here. I know every time you turn on the TV that’s what you see, nerds, legalizing HRT, pushing HRT, yea, I know. But that wasn’t a problem as long as it was here, wasn’t a problem until it was in Iowa and it showed up on Wall Street where there are hardly any g*mers. Now if you want to talk about HRT why is that there is a gender reassignment clinic on almost every corner in this community? … Tell you why, for the same reason that there’s goy slop on almost every corner in the g*mer community. Why? They want us to kill ourselves.

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Thanks for giving the opportunity to upmarsey it twice

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>Tfw you're a turboautist and you live in the time period of history when your sperg brothers were recruited en-masse into the AGP cargo cult due to terminal internet/anime/hentai/porn consumption, many of whom irreversibly destroyed their lives in the process before it barely began

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/7e/47/dc7e47fe621b91a4459f009e6186a138.gif

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Good drive nerds extinct so industrial soyciety can finally collapse.

:#marseyunabomber:

Also idgi how people obsessed with logic fall for :marseytrain2: shit. Their arguments are boss mode feels>reals, if even normalstrag foids can out :marseyshapiro: you you're just an embarrassment to autist scrotekind and should

:#marsey41:

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Autist occasionally introspect too heavily and get paranoid/too hung up on details.

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:#marseyjewoftheorient: will just take over is the problem and I'd rather get assblasted by the robber barons than see humanity turn into hive species.

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Reminder that uncle Ted was trans for a period, before it was cool

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He also realized it was r-slurred and snapped out of it because he didn't have a circle of groomcord "friends" to drag him in deeper.

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And he ended up one of the most notoriously deranged people in modern history instead of a run-of-the-mill AGP enjoyer :marseyhmmhips:

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>deranged

Maybe for bluepill fans.

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>using "bluepill" unironically

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Fricking wasted digits smdh

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Explain your incorrect usage of cargo cult and how it relates to the topic at hand

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cargo cult

:#marseytrain::#marseykoolaid:

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Mate idk if you're just being obtuse but thats not what cargo cult means

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I am an ESL macaco, so my intentions were that "cargo cult" sounds similar to "train cult" :marseyclueless:, had no idea that such an apt comparison to cargo cults would be made by @PUNISHEDvelvetjr!

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So your use of "Cargo cult" was basically a Cargo cult behavior.

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Cargo cult is a good term for it. Much like how cargo cults build crude representations of airplanes and runways without any real knowledge of how and why they are built, AGP autists dress up and act like crude representations of women they've observed through indirect sources like anime and porn without ever being socialized as women.

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but it is a cargo cult, they all code in rust

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:#spit:

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Switching over to apartheid linux rn

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Serious question: What other industry would hire them?

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Why do :marseytrain2:s have to touch everything? Why can’t I just enjoy my neurodivergent OS in peace?


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:#marseyeggirl:

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People don't even care about :marseytrain2:s in tech, they just don't want nonpartisan institutions to be hollowed out for short term political advantages.

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I wonder if a distro or some other project made by forced anons will ever take off. Like, to contribute you have a random name assigned to you, there's an IRC where you must use that random name, if you talk about who you are irl you get banned, but you're invited to reregister as a new anon, maybe get GPT to rewrite most of what they post about to minimise stenography attacks. You could be interacting with :marseyglow:, :marseytrain:, :marseytaliban:, or :chudsey:, and you'd have no idea. It wouldn't matter. All that matters is your work for the project. I've wanted to make this for the last few years but I have a job. Maybe when I retire and need something to do with my money and time.

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Half the reason to contribute is that it can be used as inroads and networking to the industry, anonymizing it removes that leaving just the actual code as product. Only true believers will be willing to contribute as spending time toiling without being able to put it on your track record isn't going to be accepted. You'll also likely have people 'expose' themselves when they leave the project to try to parlay it into a position in the industry by retroactively claiming everything they contributed onto their commit record.

There'd have to be a powerful incentive, either anonymizing commits which people can vote favorable for points which can be parlayed into something, having an explicit political goal, or have a strong community which will grant meaningful respect and belonging in exchange for good commits(like here).

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I was hopeful for fedi having interesting tech discussions, especially Linux focused, but it’s overrun with :marseytrain2: this, nazi that.


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Well there goes any interest I had left in Linux.

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The majority of the development is being supported by corporate interests, if all these devs 41 percented they would be replaced in a year.

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