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Kinda sad article, though at the same time the ethical implications of leaving a device in her brain unattended are also dodgy :marseybeanpensive:

>He is among the ethicists and legal scholars investigating the importance of “neuro rights”—the subset of human rights concerned with the protection of the human brain and mind. Some are currently exploring whether neuro rights could be recognized within established human rights, or whether we need new laws.

This on the other hand seems much more dumb. People change all the time; if for exemple I become a totally different person after becoming addicted to crack forcing me into rehab is killing druggie me. Granted the implant was useful so it's not a one to one comparison, but even then it seems to me neuro-rights would fall within already existing human right? :marseythinkorino:

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Janeway killed Tuvix. Totally dedded him.

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That's what I named my pet Salamander! In honor of poor Tuvix, :marseycry:

Then Tuvix died and I found another one and named him 2-Vix

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Lol, this is like my step grandparents. 4 fricking toy poodles, all named Pepe. I know at least 2 were dropped out of a fricking RV:marseyfacepalm:

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Did you name any Salamanders after the kids that Ultra-Janeway and Mega-Paris had?

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Total tuvix death :marseysmirk:

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Yes but spoonchad the vegetable couldnt frick her anyway so he lost nothing. It sounds like he is r-slurred now anyway. Definitely the winner here.

Cuckbull may technically be cucking spoonchad but he also has to wipe a grown mans butt and that man used to frick his wife, so he is both the bull and the real cuck in this scenario. Clear loser unless this is his fetish, in which case he should kill himself but is less of a loser.

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Anytime someone says "I'm an abcxyz ethicist" immediately know they tried and failed to succeed as an abcxyz so they became a grifter as an ethicist.

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even then it seems to me neuro-rights would fall within already existing human right?

Yeah. If you're an adult and aren't r-slurred, then you should be allowed to consent to whatever r-slurred surgeries and medications are out there. "Ethicists" hate granting people this kind of autonomy because they're useless cowards.

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Let's take a moment to diss at the 'product as a service model'

YOU WILL NOT OWN YOUR BODY AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY!

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!chuds 666

!nooticers own nothing... and thats a good thing

!r-slurs force r-sluration

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Why exactly did they need to remove it just because the company went bust? Are companies incapable of creating anything that can be a standalone?

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But how will you turn your seat warmers on if it's not collected to the cloud

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Every time I read shit like that or shit like Amazon locking that guy out of his smart home, I get genuinely irritated. My wife told me to stop reading news like that and I'm like, "I don't seek it out, it just comes up on my gay cat drama site! It's my chud safe space to laugh!" :!soycry:

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Aww! It's okay, bb. The cloud companies can't hurt you.

:#marseycheerup:

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:#marseyspecial: Thank you. I feel better now

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zoz

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:#marseyraging: Don't get me all worked up again, zozbot!!!!!!!!!!!

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zle

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zozzle

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Kudos to whoever made that for finding the most punchable face possible. :marseypunching:

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:#marseysnap:

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WEF lol

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That is Technology Review again, right? That is their font.

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"It's a bit cramped though."

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My guess is that the company went bankrupt and their assets were being sold to pay their debts.

But maybe the thing needed maintenance that nobody could provide now :marseyshrug:

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it was a clinical trial apparently

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About the time you stick something in someones brain, you need to have everything planned out from that point

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can i stick a fork in your brain

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I don't know, can you?

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Well, if you read the article you will see why she had to remove it:

But it wasn’t to last. In 2013, NeuroVista, the company that made the device, essentially ran out of money. The trial participants were advised to have their implants removed. (The company itself no longer exists.)

Leggett was devastated. She tried to keep the implant. “[Leggett and her husband] tried to negotiate with the company,” says Gilbert. “They were asking to remortgage their house—she wanted to buy it.” In the end, she was the last person in the trial to have the implant removed, very much against her will.

... oh, wait, no, they don't say why they had to remove it.

Technology Review editors care more about stating positions on abortion than on reviewing technology so no big surprise.

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In the end, she was the last person in the trial to have the implant removed, very much against her will.

How could this possibly work? Like, just say no, what are they going to do, have the police escort you to the hospital? On what order? What judge would write this completely original kind of order for a compulsory surgical operation?

Either everyone involved was an r-slur or the device did require some sort of expensive maintenance.

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Doctor: "Come to the hospital."

Foid: "Can I refuse?"

Doctor: "..... no?"

Foid: "I guess I am coming in against my will then."

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Doctors could have said something like "We won't touch this implant from here on out and it will increase your chance of death by xxxx% per year. But we'll remove it for free". the company decided to cut support, the docs did too and rightly so.

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>Pay $50 a month to walk

>For an extra $15 we will let you move your pinkie

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It's amazing how Gilbert et al. and the journ*lists fricked up this story. The device would not work without ongoing maintenance in the form of new batteries (the device had a 3-year battery life and use proprietary batteries), replacing worn out components, and updating the model (probably some RNN or LSTM) used to predict the onset of seizures. Eventually, it was going to be just a hunk of metal that would've been a vector for infections and would have to be removed for her safety.

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The point here is that planned obsolescence for brain implants is a bad thing. There needed to be a plan in place and maybe information held in escrow.

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It wasn't planned obsolescence, which is where a company intentionally causes a device to fail prematurely. They just didn't have a plan to maintain the product if the company went out of business. And honestly, even if the implant was completely open source, I'm not sure how you would maintain it since they need to update the model, which requires you to have ongoing data collection and a data scientist familiar with the initial model to update it.

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I want the option if its in my brain. I'll fricking figure it out.

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I'll fricking figure it out.

I'm sure you would've survived the Titan sub implosion too.

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It's my brain on the line my life. I would want the opportunity to figure it out

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Couldn't they have just open sourced the battery and had a secondary market of nonofficial but functional batteries for the implant.

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There probably isn't anything to open source. It's just a LiPo battery in a particular shape. The issue is there is no secondary market when there are like 20 people with this device in the trial.

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>planned obsolescence

I knew you were r-slurred.

>they should've made the batteries last 10 years and cost five times more!!!!

:soyjaktantrum:

Dur needs to be plan in place and maybe information held in escrow.

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There needs to be a plan in place! :marseyxd: Help help, without a plan, no one can do a thing!

I'm sure they talked about it, or it was at least in her contract, but she can't read, so it's her fault.

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>Then it was removed against her will

>But it wasn’t to last. In 2013, NeuroVista, the company that made the device, essentially ran out of money. The trial participants were advised to have their implants removed. (The company itself no longer exists.)

I just skimmed the article but I didn't find where it shows how it was removed against her will?

I suppose the company went bankrupt and their assets were being sold to pay their debts, and some of these assets were inside people's head. I still don't see how this isn't an enormous violation of body autonomy, but I also suppose that the creditors would be granted some sort of compensation for the assets and she didn't have the money to pay.

Maybe they explain it in the article but I ain't reading.

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Yeah like, it's not her property.

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Foids have no agency anyway

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We were so close to building an irl robocop :marseycry:

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Woman dough

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Bonus hole*

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>implant gives woman ability to be responsible for her actions

>woman develops self-sufficiency, doesn’t need to rely on moid to do everything for her

Dramanauts somehow, against all odds, despite being gay incels, most affected.

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Too dangerous. Shut it down

:!bluehelmet:

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WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED

COME OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THIS AILING WOMAN DESPITE ADVANCES IN MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY MAKING THIS UNNECESSARY

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:marseytrollgun: I LOVE SELF-SUFFICIENT FOIDS

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MRS. OBAMA GET DOWN!

Snapshots:

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I'm confused. Just don't go to the removal surgery? What are they going to do, sue? Let them sue, I'm sure a court would side with the human actually benefitting from the device.

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It probably used an online service or smth

>shut down service

>brain stops working

>:marseysmug2: hows being a cyborg working out for you?

but yeah the article should have clarified what "forcing" her entailed and spent less time :marseywords2: sneeding about how much it ruined her life to have it removed.

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The article completely fails to mention that it had a 3 year battery life and required occasional maintenance.

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Wasn't this the plot to Repo Men?

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More like Repo! The Genetic Opera

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you will own le nothing

you will be le happy

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More foids need brains implanted in their heads.

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