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SN mayo/cide :marseymayo: :marseyrapscallion:  11mo ago (lemmy.world) 709 thread views #197165

:marseyraging: More seething LW lemmings as the admins make an announcement about the removal of piracy communities :!marseypirate2:

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363?scrollToComments=true

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Chadmins are also banning everyone for saying they're leaving

What surprises me is that people think making a community specifically for illegal activity isn't a problem, and that they should only be called on their behaviour when a copyright holder notices them. There are plenty of places to go for piracy online, so what's the need to add a community for it here? Or are you people claiming a piracy community wasn't primarily intended for piracy?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426956

Time to host my own instance. I disagree with this move.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2429393

The people whining are not the people that could face multimillion-dollar lawsuits over the issue. Like it or not, media companies are powerful and will go after websites seen as promoting piracy. Do what you reasonably have to do.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426973

Oh no. Wtf. Do you know what's funny? I actually joined this instance from piracy subreddit.

I guess it's time to leave. :marseylaughpoundfist:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2425186

I don't think this was the right call. Don't have it hosted on here, fine. But defederated? I don't see how being federated would be an issue at all. Oh well guess i got to actively go seek them out now.

At this rate, you might as well as defederate from all instances. Cant be too careful.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2427348

Bootlicker [-8]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2427940

These communities are not even hosted on lemmy.world, this is an absurdly overreacted response. There were no signs of any legal trouble and I can't understand how lemmy.world specifically would be the target of such legal action. If you want to host an instance, you should do everything in your power to allow discussions on any topic, while in necessary cases disallowing direct posting/linking of illegal content. Instead, you chose to block a community that has long been known to avoid having any trouble with the moderators. :soycry:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421890

Doesn't matter if they are hosted here or not. The way federation works is that threads on different instances are cached locally.

We have NO issues with the people at db0 - we are just looking out for ourselves in a ‘better safe than sorry' fashion while we find out more. As mentioned in the OP we would like to unblock as soon as we know we can not get in any legal trouble. [chadmins]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421890

What the absolute heck? What makes this place so good is that there's not people making idiot decisions at the top. This is an idiot decision. Plus side of the fediverse is vanishing.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424687

Uh, @[email protected] … what's up with the banning going on in this thread? I noticed on a.lemmy.org that someone was labeled “banned” and their comment was simply “Ight, I'm out”

The mod note was “Let us help you”.

There are more similarly weak (spiteful?) bans that certainly don't seem to be at a standard for a ban. “Litterally 1984” was another one. Is that all it takes to be banned here?

Edit: Many (all?) the users I referenced as banned are now unbanned from the site, but now banned from this community. :marseyban:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2422473

Please make announcements on lemmy instead of exclusively on groomercord moving forward. That is the biggest issue here, the lack of public transparency. Such a decision affects all instances, not just lemmy.world and making it publicly known is important :marseygroomer:

This was a misunderstanding from one of the team members. It has since been discussed and will not happen again. Lemmy.World and this announcement community is our primary platform, [chadmin]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421280

And once again we have people thinking that the instance owners would have to discuss everything they want to do with them and get the approval of everyone. It's already great that they're making announcements instead of doing it silently until people notice on their own. Plus, it's not hard to make an account elsewhere if you don't like it here. I doubt you're restricted to this single instance.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424187

Ight, I'm out

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421940

Surely there is a discussion to be had around what is and isn't allowed, there are plenty of subreddits discussing piracy without dolirect links that are playing within the rules.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2420730

fricking heck, its time to leave lemmy.world, you are no better than reddit :marseysnoo:

Says the redditor

https://lemmy.world/comment/2422227

What is the legal theory being used here?

People chatting about piracy is now a crime in US? I thought the crime was uploading or downloading copyrighted content…

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421667

Lovely this happened because someone complained after being banned from the piracy instance for being a transphobic butthole. :marseytransplushie3:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421151

Yea, I'm leaving. Not as a protest, I just want access to something without caring if devs like it or not.

All hail Piracy!

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421558

Well said! I think the entire LW community would prefer a heads up for major actions. It's understandable that piracy could lead to liability issues which none of us want. Thanks for giving us a run down.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2420912

Is it a liability when the discussion happened outside of lemmy.world?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421575

Deleting lemmy now I guess as well [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424715

Wtf? I'm leaving.

Is there a way to migrate a community? [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2428100

I'm sure this comment will receive plenty of hate, but I'm really struggling to understand why piracy seems to get so staunchly defended by seemingly everyone here. Piracy is stealing. It is morally wrong. We can argue all day about how it's a ‘victimless crime' or how media conglomerates are greedy and deserve it, but at the end of the day there's nothing that makes it ‘right'. With maybe a few exceptions, no one needs the things they're pirating and it's just childish to refuse to pay for content and go on pretending it's a necessity. What needs to happen is more money going to the creators whose content we all enjoy so much.

There's plenty of places to go where you can still interact with these communities, and we shouldn't be surprised that a large and general instance wants to be distant from them. Personally I applaud the decision. [-6]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426834

Literally 1984 [-14] :marsey1984:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421877

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Oh but Fediverse is definitely the future... I can't imagine why people are hesitant to get involved when you have to create 50 accounts just to see every instance.

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i still don't understand how the fediverse works

can someone explain what federating and defederating are? can instance owners ban whoever they want? how do you use accounts across multiple instances?

!pings help

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Basically a bunch of Twitter (or reddit in the case of lemmy) clones can all link to each other and act as one big twitter alternative that is run in a decentralized manner. For example I can retweet and follow accounts from other instances that have a different host. Some of these communities (poast, free speech extremist, rdrama.cc, chudbuds, etc.) have lax moderation and host a bunch of racist or lolicon content, so other fediverse sites have chosen to defederate them and they aren't able to connect with each other. A decentralized internet is good because it means I can't be banned, but also it means that everyone can block me.

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a central authority blocking me from their infrastructure is different than them banning me from it

This is cope. They are functionally the same and you can still be banned off of the instance you're using. This is like letting subreddit mods mute you for all of their users across all of reddit and your subreddits mods being able to ban you completely. It's worse.

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It's like email. Except imagine if Gmail blocked email communication with protonmail because it's used by bad actors. Then imagine Hotmail blocked Gmail for some other reason. So you'd need both a Gmail account, and either a protonmail or Hotmail account in order to email everyone. Now imagine there were hundreds of email providers and they all blocked each other due to various arbitrary reasons, that's the fediverse.

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I like this explanation. It's like a bunch of kids reinvented usenet, except they openly disdain all the reasons usenet functioned like it did in the first place.

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oh that makes sense thanks!

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Every "fediverse instance" is its own server, like Minecraft but it's a minitwitter instead.

They can connect to each other and reply to each other (this is federating), but DMs and administration are done by a specific server's owner and mods - like a subreddit.

Defederating is deliberately cutting this off, not allowing viewing or interaction with another server's users, content or posts from yours or vice versa.

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i see

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also relevant is that nothing is encrypted and so it's a great way to get in trouble with the feds or to just look like a giant idiot in front of tens of thousands as we've seen a few times already

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examples?

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The poa.st/ chudbuds thing a few months ago. I'm not a homosexual so I didn't take an interest in the links but if you're actually curious there's probably a 10,000 thread page on it on kiwifarms rife with le epix maymays like typing the n word

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