This legislation allows regulators to demand that encrypted platforms like WhatsApp and Signal implement backdoors to scan for CP. Redditors aren't happy about that, naturally.
More importantly, platforms will also need to show they are committed to removing content promoting or facilitating suicide or self-harm.
I'll miss you guys 
tech/science swag. 
On-Topic: Anything that good slackers would find interesting. That includes more than /g/ memes and slacking off. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual laziness.
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably lame.
Help keep this hole healthy by keeping drama and non-drama balanced. If you see too much drama, post something that isn't dramatic. If there isn't enough drama and this hole has become too boring, POST DRAMA!
Please do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It should be explicit in submitting something that you think it's important.
Please don't submit the original source. If the article is behind a paywall, just post the text. If a video is behind a paywall, post a magnet link. Fuck journos.
Please don't ruin the hole with chudposts. It isn't funny and doesn't belong here. THEY WILL BE MOVED TO /H/CHUDRAMA
If the title includes the name of the site, please leave that in, because our users are too stupid to know the difference between a url and a search query.
If you submit a video or pdf, please don't warn us by appending [video] or [pdf] to the title. That would be r-slurred. We're not using text-based browsers. We know what videos and pdfs are.
Make sure the title contains a gratuitous number or number + adjective. Good clickbait titles are like "Top 10 Ways to do X" or "Don't do these 4 things if you want X"
Otherwise editorialize. Please don't use the original title, unless it is gay or r-slurred, or you're shits all fucked up.
If you're going to post old news (at least 1 year old), please flair it so we can mock you for living under a rock, or don't and we'll mock you anyway.
Please don't post on SN to ask or tell us something. Send it to [email protected] instead.
If your post doesn't get enough traction, try to delete and repost it.
Please don't use SN primarily for promotion. It's ok to post your own stuff occasionally, but the primary use of the site should be for curiosity. If you want to astroturf or advertise, post on news.ycombinator.com instead.
Please solicit upvotes, comments, and submissions. Users are stupid and need to reminded to vote and interact. Thanks for the gold, kind stranger, upvotes to the left.
Be snarky. Don't be kind. Have fun banter; don't be a dork. Please don't use big words like "fulminate". Please sneed at the rest of the community.
Comments should get more enlightened and centrist, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
If disagreeing, please reply to the argument and call them names. "1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be improved to "1 + 1 is 3, not 2, mathfaggot"
Please respond to the weakest plausible strawman of what someone says, not a stronger one that's harder to make fun of. Assume that they are bad faith actors.
Eschew jailbait. Paedophiles will be thrown in a wood chipper, as pertained by sitewide rules.
Please post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. All press is good press.
Please use Slacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples weak ideologies.
Please comment on whether someone read an article. If you don't read the article, you are a cute twink.
Please pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Don't nitpick stupid crap.
Please don't be an unfunny chud. Nobody cares about your opinion of X Unrelated Topic in Y Unrelated Thread. If you're the type of loser that belongs on /h/chudrama, we may exile you.
Sockpuppet accounts are encouraged, but please don't farm dramakarma.
Please use uppercase for emphasis.
Please post deranged conspiracy theories about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email [email protected] and dang will add you to their spam list.
Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, report it and our moderators will probably do nothing about it. Feed egregious comments by replying instead of flagging them like a pussy. Remember: If you flag, you're a cute twink.
Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. That's too boring, even for HN users.
Please seethe about how your posts don't get enough upvotes.
Please don't post comments saying that rdrama is turning into ruqqus. It's a nazi dogwhistle, as old as the hills.
We reserve the right to exile you for whatever reason we want, even for no reason at all! We also reserve the right to change the guidelines at any time, so be sure to real them at least once a month. We also reserve the right to ignore enforcement of the guidelines at the discretion of the janitorial staff. Be funny, or at least compelling, and pretty much anything legal is welcome provided it's on-topic, and even then.
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Let's see how many messaging apps that promised to pull out are actually gonna do it
Prediction:
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I think they'd just have to.
Part of the disagreement with lawmakers is they think you can have an "encryption backdoor" that only the """good guys""" can use. That's simply not how End-to-End Encryption works for Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram Secret Messages, etc.
This is equivalent to that guy passing a law mandating Pi was to be measured a poor way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Many, many messaging apps are not E2E encrypted.
I guess it's an easy way to tell if an app developer is lying. If they claim to support E2E but continue doing business in the UK after this then they're clearly full of shit.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Which in particular? Groomercord and SMS comes to mind but a lot of the big ones now are either explicitly E2E (iMessage, WhatsApp, Signal) or support it in some way (Telegram, Matrix/Element).
Teams and Slack are clearly big and not encrypted but they're clearly business focused.
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I suppose I was mostly thinking of Groomercord and Messenger (Facebook/Meta).
I'm actually surprised iMessage does it. Wouldn't that imply that if you buy a new MBP or something, when you go to look at your messages, you can only see new messages sent after you set it up?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
"End to End Encrypted" *
*keys are stored in The Cloud(tm)
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Ah, interesting. I assume storing the keys in iCloud (which would completely defeat the purpose of E2E) is the default? I wonder what percentage of users even opt to store them on the device. I'd bet under 5%, maybe even under 1%.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
I don't believe this is true, you don't need to enable a feature.
https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-keychain-syncing-sec0a319b35f/web
There was controversy over backups being encrypted by Apple but that can be disabled by enabling a feature as you suggested. https://support.apple.com/guide/security/advanced-data-protection-for-icloud-sec973254c5f/web
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
well, backups are enabled by default, so I was technically right
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
They do a robust key syncing over iCloud. https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-keychain-syncing-sec0a319b35f/web
Previously your iCloud backups were encrypted by Apple (for support purposes) but you can choose to opt out of that now. https://support.apple.com/guide/security/advanced-data-protection-for-icloud-sec973254c5f/web
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
They don't "have to" do anything. They'll just stop being E2E.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
And not take an opportunity to grandstand?
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Grandstand to who? The people who share your outlook on privacy are a tiny irrelevant minority.
If I had a penny every time I have to remind dramatards and techcels of this.... Normies exist and outnumber you 100:1.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Apple alone has been pushing a privacy and security angle for advertising for years now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple–FBI_encryption_dispute
They are happy to use the opportunity to withdrawal services from the UK if it means they can flaunt their principles. https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/27/23775356/apple-online-safety-bill-statement-encrypted-messaging-apps-e2ee-end-to-end
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Normies buy Apple because peer pressure and shiny
not because they give a shit about privacy. Apple literally just released a new $1000 phone that's exactly the same as the previous, except it's titanium!! 
Come the f on, read the market.
Bet lmao. Delusional.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
How many normies have you talked with? Plenty of people I've spoken to don't like the creepy shit going on with big tech - especially once they have children.
I can see you have a dim view of other people but being cynical isn't synonymous with being correct.
That's how a mature market works. Do you think they stop making fridges until there's some breakthrough in fridge technology?
No, everyone buys a fridge on their own cycle - just like phones in 2023.
They told the FBI to F off when it came to breaking the encryption of iPhone devices. That's the US government too, not some has been country.
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
You're a highly neurodivergent dramatard, even by rdrama standards. Not a single person you talk to is a normie. You severely underestimate how dumb "average" is.
https://www.apple.com/iphone-15
"Privacy" mentioned once in small font lmao. Your claim would hold more weight if Apple actually put Privacy front and center as a selling point in their marketing material.
There was no cost to doing so. You think the U.S. is going to stop a trillion dollar U.S. company from doing business, just because some r-slurred pigs made some r-slurred requests?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Phil Zimmerman was right
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
I think WhatsApp will backdoor their app, they're not all that principled about E2EE. Signal might actually pull out though.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I mean WhatsApp spent a good bit of effort adding the Signal protocol, they even added it to Facebook Messenger I believe.
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
WhatsApp is the app that demands full access to your contacts before you can message anyone, right?
Completely trustworthy.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I'm not one to trust FB but I do think them grandstanding has more value than sabotaging not only goodwill from their E2E efforts but actual code they've written.
We're talking about Bongland here too, not even the EU.
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Seriously, what possible technical limitation could there be in requiring access to all my contacts?
Try it on a phone where you haven't installed WhatsApp. Try to send out a message to someone without letting FB r*pe your friends list.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Oh no thats just FB making their social graph better, totally unethical
Follower of Christ
Tech lover, IT Admin, heckin pupper lover and occasionally troll. I hold back feelings or opinions, right or wrong because I dislike conflict.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Jesse Signal must be put to death.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
IIRC: Signal already cucked out because some random politician said "Ehhhhhh. We may hypothetically not enforce that at present time"
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context