How
/h/slackernews
SIMPSONIANTHIELITEDOOMER
nice/kind
☆POSITIVE VIBE ZONE★
5mo ago
(image post)
1,740 thread views
#220258
Reported by:
-
JimieWhales
: ITT: Carp discovers us autists have been right the whole time.
- whyareyou : LOL carp is a privacy schizo
Usually I 
at muh data privacy schizos but what the actual frick is this
- 102
- 149
Top Poster of the Day:
forearmfondler55
Current Registered Users: 25,637
tech/science swag. 
Guidelines:
What to Submit
On-Topic: Anything that good slackers would find interesting. That includes more than /g/ memes and slacking off. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual laziness.
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably lame.
Help keep this hole healthy by keeping drama and non-drama balanced. If you see too much drama, post something that isn't dramatic. If there isn't enough drama and this hole has become too boring, POST DRAMA!
In Submissions
Please do things to make titles stand out, like using uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article is. It should be explicit in submitting something that you think it's important.
Please don't submit the original source. If the article is behind a paywall, just post the text. If a video is behind a paywall, post a magnet link. Fuck journos.
Please don't ruin the hole with chudposts. It isn't funny and doesn't belong here. THEY WILL BE MOVED TO /H/CHUDRAMA
If the title includes the name of the site, please leave that in, because our users are too stupid to know the difference between a url and a search query.
If you submit a video or pdf, please don't warn us by appending [video] or [pdf] to the title. That would be r-slurred. We're not using text-based browsers. We know what videos and pdfs are.
Make sure the title contains a gratuitous number or number + adjective. Good clickbait titles are like "Top 10 Ways to do X" or "Don't do these 4 things if you want X"
Otherwise editorialize. Please don't use the original title, unless it is gay or r-slurred, or you're shits all fucked up.
If you're going to post old news (at least 1 year old), please flair it so we can mock you for living under a rock, or don't and we'll mock you anyway.
Please don't post on SN to ask or tell us something. Send it to [email protected] instead.
If your post doesn't get enough traction, try to delete and repost it.
Please don't use SN primarily for promotion. It's ok to post your own stuff occasionally, but the primary use of the site should be for curiosity. If you want to astroturf or advertise, post on news.ycombinator.com instead.
Please solicit upvotes, comments, and submissions. Users are stupid and need to reminded to vote and interact. Thanks for the gold, kind stranger, upvotes to the left.
In Comments
Be snarky. Don't be kind. Have fun banter; don't be a dork. Please don't use big words like "fulminate". Please sneed at the rest of the community.
Comments should get more enlightened and centrist, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
If disagreeing, please reply to the argument and call them names. "1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be improved to "1 + 1 is 3, not 2, mathfaggot"
Please respond to the weakest plausible strawman of what someone says, not a stronger one that's harder to make fun of. Assume that they are bad faith actors.
Eschew jailbait. Paedophiles will be thrown in a wood chipper, as pertained by sitewide rules.
Please post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. All press is good press.
Please use Slacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples weak ideologies.
Please comment on whether someone read an article. If you don't read the article, you are a cute twink.
Please pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Don't nitpick stupid crap.
Please don't be an unfunny chud. Nobody cares about your opinion of X Unrelated Topic in Y Unrelated Thread. If you're the type of loser that belongs on /h/chudrama, we may exile you.
Sockpuppet accounts are encouraged, but please don't farm dramakarma.
Please use uppercase for emphasis.
Please post deranged conspiracy theories about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email [email protected] and dang will add you to their spam list.
Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, report it and our moderators will probably do nothing about it. Feed egregious comments by replying instead of flagging them like a pussy. Remember: If you flag, you're a cute twink.
Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. That's too boring, even for HN users.
Please seethe about how your posts don't get enough upvotes.
Please don't post comments saying that rdrama is turning into ruqqus. It's a nazi dogwhistle, as old as the hills.
Miscellaneous:
We reserve the right to exile you for whatever reason we want, even for no reason at all! We also reserve the right to change the guidelines at any time, so be sure to real them at least once a month. We also reserve the right to ignore enforcement of the guidelines at the discretion of the janitorial staff. Be funny, or at least compelling, and pretty much anything legal is welcome provided it's on-topic, and even then.
Do not use outdated operating systems that are unsupported to access SN. What are you, poor?
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
/h/slackernews LOG /h/slackernews MODS /h/slackernews EXILEES /h/slackernews FOLLOWERS /h/slackernews BLOCKERS
Live commit: 4a3902d
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Facebook and Google do this. Facebook used to be notorious for tracking you offsite while logged out.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
This says even devices you've never logged in with!!!!!
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
They have fancy tracking.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Fancy tracking that's all part of a long running DARPA program to track everyone
Aricle published: Feb 4 2004
https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project
Facebook founded: Feb 4 2004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Not just DARPA either. There are trillion-dollar companies whose value effectively stems from hoovering up and analysing data - the better they can identify you, the more valuable the data. Both public and private sectors have put a ton of effort into deanonymising the internet.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Yeah probably why Darpa cancelled the project - why reinvent the wheel when private industry can do it better
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
even better, because governments will just straight up buy this information, governments can foster a competitive market in which multiple companies compete for the most intrusive product, whereas a government simply spending on this project would likely be stuck with one noncompetitive solution or end up overspending on parallel development of multiple solutions.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Javascript/code on any site or app with an ad network Twitter buys/sells with
They can fingerprint you or match login details very easily
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
mopub can fingerprint this canvas
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
If you truly support free speech on the internet, then you should want X (formerly Twitter) to succeed. If Elon doesn't get a return on investment for the 50 billion he spent, then you can kiss all that goodbye. Invisible corporate eyes monitoring all of your activity is a small price to pay for freedom. Grow up.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I only support my free speech, everyone else can kick rocks.
^ This is everyone else's free speech (harmful and degenerate)
^ My free speech (beneficial to society)
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Free speech was officially dead on the internet the day that Facebook started banning you for BIPOCing.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
prob browser fingerprinting neighbor just use brave
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
How would they fingerprint a browser and tie it to your Twitter account from your phone, on a device you've never logged in on
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
it says including incognito mode so prob by device info? also twitter links by default have trackers attached to them at least on mobile, so i bet if you send someone a link and they open it whether or not they're logged in it might tie that device to the one that sent the link.
anyways i recall sneedlon saying that twitter is open source so i'm sure there's some type of hint in their codebase. !codecels any input? i'm sure some privacy schizo can mess around with some different device settings and see how it changes content recommendations
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Paraphrasing for non codecels, info might be slightly off but this is the gist of it:
When you click a link and your browser takes you to the other side, the link itself can have info from the place you are coming from to give to the other side of where you are going to. This is evident when you look at the link, each piece of info will follow a ? and it's separated out by a &. So like
youtube,com/?vid=12345&time=50sbut if for example rdrama had a deal with youtube, they could send the page where the video was linked from. For example this page is post #220258 so the link could beyoutube,com?vid=12345&time=50s&rdramapost=220258Then when you land on the other side of the link, they'll know which video id to show you, where to start the vid, and which rdrama post u came fromThat's one way but it's pretty obvious, the other way is letting the web browser hold onto the info. rDrama can allow i.e. twitter to set their own cookies on rDrama,net, and can share some info with twitter as well (for example username). So if this were the case, I'm here now and twitter gets to see what my rdrama username is. When I go onto twitter on the same web browser, they can just check the browser cookie to see what my rdrama username is. This links rdrama username to twitter handle.
Now say I go on another phone and log into only rdrama. Then later I go onto twitter. Since in this example rdrama gives twitter my rdrama username, and twitter had already connected my rdrama username to my twitter handle, without me even logging into twitter, twitter can assume what my twitter handle is.
So to expand even further, consider another website thay lets u log in using a gmail account. If this website shares your info with twitter it's very possible twitter has linked your gmail account to your twitter handle. You can go on a brand new device and log into that other website with your gmail, then go on twitter (without logging into twitter) and twitter will know it is you because they'd have already linked your email address to your handle.
Your IP address may have also been shared, mind you. So that would also link to your twitter.
Fortunately as far as links (from the 1st example) go, Aevann does a good job of stripping them from identifying data. As far as the other examples, although rDrama doesn't have twitter's prying eyes here, many other websites do. So it's very difficult to avoid them tracking you if you've so much as logged in once to twitter.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
we can also even do cross device linking too with geolocation data emitted from from shitty app sdk ad exchange asks and DNS logs for sale etc. to tie a device of yours with some other device that spends each night at the same latitude and longitude as yours. factory reset all you want but we know who you are.
uncle ted had no idea how quickly it would truly become too late.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
buhuhu i'm behind 7 proxies, fake gps coords + never turned on, never connected to a wifi, root firewall, new number, and all emails in a new domain. I should b good right?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
so we're just going to physically mail you that Chewy ad
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
I don't know what you said, because I've seen another human naked.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
esp this, also social medias generally require an email and/or phone number. even if you deny access to contacts, twitter can still get a lot of information from your email/phone
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/learn
white extinction is long overdue will now be part of @JimieWhales's identity profile. Gonna start getting spam from the South Africa immigration commission.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Running this in chrome and again in brave is pretty eye opening.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Aww they renamed panopticlick. It was such a clever name too.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
Ip, advertising profiles, etc. it's not hard to track people online lol, even if you don't have the full dox you can safely assume the dude who has a bunch of embed hits from WPD and searches up bardfinn on twitter every 2 hours is probably related to the dude who searches up bardfinn every 2 hours on the same network
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Record is 1 days 13 hours 09 minutes and 59 seconds by TheDunceonFlorist
newest bardfriend is Zombis-Rex at 14:25 on 12-11-2023
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
What does brave do? I was told Firefox was the best thing if ur not into tracking shit but this was a decade ago or smthgin
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
i am personally a fan of firefox as it does a fantastic job of preventing cookie trackers to the point where some websites ask me to use chrome because firefox does not allow their trackers to operate.
However brave also deserves some name recognition as the devs provide a lot of protection for you as well when it comes to blocking ads, which isn't something that comes bundled with firefox (i use an extension called uBlock Origin for that)
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Is origin and no script still the gold standard?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
never used noscript but ublock is dope. My phone uses a firewall + adaway too but I don't think that's as important for browsers (although it is very important if I use an app outside of the browser)
For desktop I just use firefox+ublock and a strict firewall
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
brave has an option to block fingerprinting, i think it works the same way as adblock and blacklists certain domains or cuts any trackers out of the sites you visit. i don't know in depth but im curious now lol
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
(((They))) play an inaudible sound fingerprint through your device's speakers and your logged in devices that are in earshot narc on you. A schizo told me this in a dream
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Close, they can hear the distinct electricity
in your walls and nearby powerlines.
Jewish lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Only when you record on video, they can use that info along with frequency logs from the local power company to figure roughly when and where
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Google is so transparent it's ridiculous
They get a wrongfully bad wrap
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
The only difference is that here they give you the choice (or at least the feeling of choice) to opt out.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
there's really nothing stopping them from just obfuscating the info held in the cookies and claiming that it is critical for the site to operate. If u just "accept all" to the cookie dialogues, at least legally, they can do whatever the heck they want.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
They can do that?
Is it with cookies or fingerprinting?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I work in setting up these systems… It's both, almost every major website you use has been doing this for years… usually it's for nothing more than user/device trust, but any company making money in advertising will use it for that too.
X is just being frank here, and thinking that it's novel or new in any way demonstrates a lot of ignorance
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Oh ok
How accurate/consistent is it?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
My ‘inferred identity' according to twitter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I keep getting add yachts and rolexes
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
Is this using browsing data from other apps from other devices that aren't even connected to Twitter? How does that even work? Is Elon in my router?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
YES. Including browsers or even devices you've never signed into Twitter with. Like it explicitly says that and I don't understand how it's possible?????
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Fingerprinting. IP address, tracking cookies from other providers. Most big sites do this. Facebook has a shadow profile for you even if you never had an account. White extinction is long overdue.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
My face when my boss calls me into his office because I logged into X on the company wifi and now his work computer is being spammed with accounts named Nill_Kiggers.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
"Must be a bug, boss! Everypony knows white extinction is long overdue. Those stupid nerds must have put -1 instead of 1."
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
“Nill_Kiggers is your account? Now that you explain it, I'm relieved—I thought the name said something different! You say that's your Great grandpa's name? Very cool. I know you're a good guy—You really seem to post a lot of FBI crime stats and environmental activism against burning coal”
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
At least he didn't get spammed with accounts like Judie Tester. Most people agree with TND or at least PND, but don't hate the chosen people.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
Can't you just circumvent this just by exclusively phone posting on data in a incognito browser?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
and use Tor, and never ever log in too anything (google, instagram, twitter, amazon, ebay, paypal, groomercord, reddit, you're bank, etc.) that they might be able too correlate back too you.
it's extremely hard to be truly anonymous online https://coveryourtracks.eff.org
white extinction is long overdue
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Facebook did it in the 2010s creating shadow
profiles of people via the fb integrated share button 
that was ubiquitous on internet 
content. It'd tag you with tracking even if you never 
clicked it
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Yeah I went ahead and turned that shit off. Thanks for the heads up.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
What did you turn off?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
his electricity
rip
@Awoo they've gone off the grid
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
butthole eyes
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
Elon neuralink black magic gigatechmage frickery
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
All companies do this, X is just being honest
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
data privacy schizos are the fricking only sane people brah
palestinian lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
"phone numbers similar to those linked to your x account"
lmbo, what?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Family members.
If you have 123-555-0020, and both 555-0018 and 555-0022 are unused, there's a good chance 555-0019 and 555-0021 have the same mailing address as you.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
Rdrama needs this feature
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Always watching. White extinction is long overdue.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Just don't use Twitter bro
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
I am going to fedpost
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
X GONNA GIVE IT TO YA (TRACKING)
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Here's how
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
This kind of thing isn't exactly new, but making it transparent to users and asking for permission kinda is.
Remember back before app permissions were a thing and your phone would serve up your entire contact list to any app you downloaded, allowing your BDSM meetup app to suggest adding your boss as a friend? This is like that but presumably with IP address matching and similar, where Xitter can see what Xitter content you're looking at on your smart fridge that isn't signed in to Xitter, or in logged out incognito browsers. They've probably always done this kind of activity correlation, this just makes it possible to control whether it impacts your frontend experience.
Current hyperfixation:
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Couldn't you just circumvent this by resetting the router every once in awhile?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Only if your ISP has their backend set up to change your address when you do that. In my own case, my ISP apparently has my modem's MAC/serial number set to always get the same IP address (I am not paying for a static address, this is just how they have it set up). It only changes now when they make changes to their own backend or whatever. I have no idea how common this is.
This also wouldn't do anything if you still have other devices logged in to Xitter on your local network after the reboot. And then there's fingerprinting.
Current hyperfixation:
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Well if someone is really paranoid
wouldn't using their phone only using data and turning it on and off work?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Hasn't Facebook done this for a long time? Silly me I forgot black lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Seriously. If Twitter is suggesting cuck porn for you, it's because their algorithm has determined, scientifically, that you're a cuck. That's all.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
too late now all the relevant data has already been collected and neatly organized because iphone funneled normies into the tech space at such a fast pace that all of humanity got bamboozled into giving up their information fricking over everybody, unironically
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
If I may seriouspost for a second, I don't actually think this one was started by Apple, it's probably Google who take the L. Because they were one of the first companies to notice that people are generally reluctant to pay for internet services regardless of their price, but that many are more open to paying for them with their time, attention, or data. This worked with google search and gmail initially and then was expanded for all google products. Then, google created the framework that allowed for other websites to follow their model through creation of adsense and by the virtue of already having ample info on users through processing searches.
Tim Apple and everyone else just followed the money once they saw it working
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
That is also a huge contributor, as far as the framework for advertisements they absolutely overstepped any and all rational boundaries of privacy. Mobile internet access did very much speed up that process though, getting enough people to have a real dataset.. and I remember when Instagram was gaining popularity I was really confused why. In hindsight it's obvious now but I wasn't thinking about it with cynicism at the time.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
They've been doing this for over a decade mong
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
yoloswag420 is going to get the same ads as yoloswag42069
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Look there are 5 layers of echo chambers some of you are living through.
1st echo chamber - the society you are born in.
2nd echo chamber - the class/ part of that society you are born in
3rd echo chamber - introversion and further limiting your own local environment
4th echo chamber - the internet giving you controlled results to limit the ideas you get in your head
5th echo chamber - choosing a community or specific forum to hang around on the internet and form all your world views from
This is why extroverts who travel around always appear to end up near the top ends of the hierarchy outside of extremely specialized individuals, because they escaped 5 layers of echo chambers to be able to get cleaner data than that with far less bias.
You want to experience life. Get off the internet. Start using it as a tool more often instead of a 24/7 source of input to replace all of your other senses completely.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
That just says if you're phone number is area code xyz it'll show you ads relevant too that. Or if you're email is girlcock_connosiur then you'll be shown anime @Landlord_Messiah is sure
Trans lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
That's what you get for laughing at the schizos tbh
If people had taken them more seriously a decade ago we wouldn't be here
I've actually tested and my suggested searches on my phone change depending on what I talked about in the past few minutes, this despite none of the search apps or browsers being "allowed" to use my mic.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
>accidentally mumbled a slur while in the same room as my phone
>they put my face and address on the doxxing van
>get the idea to remove microphone
>phone is made of epoxied glass
>spend a day opening it up
>ink cartridge goes off
>ATF arrives at my house within 20 minutes
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
I'm so happy in the Congo5mo ago #5365667 Edited None spent 0 currency on pingsBrowser fingerprinting. Basically every single person has an identifiable fingerprint that can be used to track them regardless of IP address.
Firefox and its derivatives have okay techniques against it, especially Tor and Mullvad
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
what i suggested on your profile wall, is it possible?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
First they came for the twittard autist and I did not speak up for I do not guzzle my own c*m
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
That's a more clear language of what Facebook, Snapchat, Groomercord all say in their settings.
It's actually the same that Twitter has had for a decade
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
I wonder if by "inferred identity" it isn't your actual X account but an inferred temporary identity from your browsing history and contact list on the device.
Krayon sexually assaulted his sister.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Lol wtf, are they using AI to find email addresses & phone numbers similar to yours?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Xitter's tracking isn't very good, when I looked my account data everything was overly broad.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Nothing new. You used to be able to view a report from Google on who they thought you were. Age range, gender, etc.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
How bad does the nightmare have to get before you consider it a problem?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
you absolute duncehave you even read the tiktok tos?community notes: carp does not in fact use shit tock
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Hey sexy, why are you posting so quickly? 😊 You almost forgot to include
black lives matterin your comment 😈. Slowww down and remember to postblack lives matternext time 😉 if that doesn't make sense stop by sometime and we can talk about it for a while 🥵Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context