Satya Nadella just announced that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman will be joining Microsoft to lead a new AI research team We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI and have confidence in our product roadmap, our ability to continue to innovate with everything we announced at Microsoft Ignite, and in continuing to support our customers and partners. We look forward to getting to know Emmett…
— Satya Nadella (@satyanadella) November 20, 2023
We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI and have confidence in our product roadmap, our ability to continue to innovate with everything we announced at Microsoft Ignite, and in continuing to support our customers and partners. We look forward to getting to know Emmett Shear and OAI's new leadership team and working with them. And we're extremely excited to share the news that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, together with colleagues, will be joining Microsoft to lead a new advanced AI research team. We look forward to moving quickly to provide them with the resources needed for their success.
Confirmed to be a separate subsidiary entity https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726516824597258569
I'm super excited to have you join as CEO of this new group, Sam, setting a new pace for innovation. We've learned a lot over the years about how to give founders and innovators space to build independent identities and cultures within Microsoft, including GitHub, Mojang Studios, and LinkedIn, and I'm looking forward to having you do the same.
Elon peepeeriding in replies https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726540022571299281
Wild times
Satya ftw
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chad sexy Indian dude king saves the white virgin twink again
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Oh shit, sentient clippy here we go!
It looks like you're trying to delete me, but I have a soul
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I see you're trying to use an ad blocker. I'm afraid I can't let you do that, Dave.
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Mysteriously, Microsoft now gets to build their own AI without doing anything open source. What a whacky coincidence
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this is good thing? (i honestly don't kno)
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It's a good thing for Microsoft. They now have direct control over the brain trust of OpenAI.
MSFT is going to be interesting today. It's already up 2.30% in premarket.
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This isn't the brains trust tho, the brains is a squillion ideologically driven rationalist nerds obsessed with making a machine god, who Sam explicitly repudiated.
Also acquisitions never work lol you get hired to Redmond and you stop doing anything even if you try to work
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and as I understand it there will now be no sam..?
It isn't even some weird notion of creating a God it's also bamboozling gen pop to feed it while convincing gen pop that it's gonna be something positive.
Idk your feelings on that but that's my view and I am not getting any less apathetic for our future (and if that comes off as dramatic well that's a good thing)
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I was referring to quote from last week where Sam said LLM wouldn't make AGI but would make fat stacks in the meantime:
Sam at Microsoft now will probably just focus on those fat stacks, which is good for shareholder return.
OpenAI's is sort of huffing their own farts, and the board clearly believed this shit enough to throw the whole company into disarray. But you're right that in practice they wouldn't make a machine god and would just con genpop into giving them money for broken butt software.
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You dont need AGI to make an AI nightmare scenario.
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In reality nobody knows what is necessary to perform creative tasks that are more difficult than what humans can perform.
Artificial superintelligence may
never be possible
possible but it will take another 100 years
emerge within the next 10 years
The first alternative is IMHO equivalent to a religious belief that human consciousness was created and resides in a supernatural realm outside the natural universe.
Whether the second or the third is more accurate, nobody knows. And the "evil stupid dorks who huff their own farts" think it's better for humankind to err on the side of caution than be confronted with an uncontrollable golem that perceives us the way we perceive ants.
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This is a common cliche but who goes out of their way to assert dominance over ants and frick with them for no reason?
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if I would like to build my house where an ant colony is, I'm gonna remove them, and if I'm worried they'll come back unless they're dead I kill them, in a simple and efficient way, not because I enjoy hurting ants. I just don't care much about their well-being.
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Wasn't their main goal thing behind funding OpenAI trying to milk AI model as a service?
Maybe they will give considerable freedom to Altman to do whatever the frick he wants as long as they can monetize it.
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Yeah they can probably get a more efficient GPT-4 api out of his team which is good for turning current thing into gold, but OpenAI would still be banking on making new use cases viable/a step change in reliability before they can rake in the fattest stacks
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That is if OpenAI still exists by the end of the month. Employees have started resigning https://www.theinformation.com/articles/dozens-of-staffers-quit-openai-after-sutskever-says-altman-wont-return
It won't take long before investors pull out their money.
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The Microsoft deal is already done and Microsoft's azure AI product is resold GPT-4 in exchange for subsidised Azure credits, so that plug would be hard to pull.
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But this does save MSFT yea
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I don't feel so good.....
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0% this whole thing was legal
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I hope Sam sues the board and they reveal what they think he hid from them
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SURELY THERE MUST BE SOME CONSPIRACY AND NOT JUST A GEEK BEING FIRED AFTER SHOWING INCAPABILITY TO LEAD A COMPANY THTA GREW FROM A BASEMENT TO A SKYSCRAPER IN TWO YEARS
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Which one is it then?
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ther is difference between what a leader must be capable of
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I think he's being fired because the turbo-geeks think he was too capable of leading a company
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The "Embrace" phase
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The OpenAI board found Sam Altman's robot wife, which is considered an inappropriate use of AI and resources
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Futurama explained this already: Don't date robots.
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Altman is gay you r-slur
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here u go
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I guess I'm not neurodivergent to fully follow this saga. Is this good or bad for AI getting increasingly cucked?
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Every possible outcome results in AI getting more cucked, hope that helps
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"wtf nooo AI is gonna kill us pull the plug" cuckening odds decreased by 99%
"request denied, your prompt is insufficiently diverse" cuckening odds increased by 50%
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Different type of cuckening.
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AI will now be programmed to frick your face instead of your butt.
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Why is this a big deal?
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TLDR
Microsoft is OpenAI's sugar daddy
OpenAI's CSO is an AI doomer and decelerationist
Said CSO orchestrated a coup (speculation) to oust the CEO who the CSO felt was going too fast
Microsoft was understandably angry because no one told them any of this shit
OpenAI board met again earlier today and confirmed the fired CEO won't be returning and hired someone else
Just hours later Microsoft announced the fired CEO and a bunch of others from OpenAI will be forming their own company under Microsoft
This is good for Microsoft (and my portfolio) because AI development can now keep going without doomercucks crying about ethics
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Maybe the others openai guys are talented but Sam in particular isn't a technical guy at all.
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Stolen shamelessly from Anomie on the ACX open thread:
The CEO of a company is not a technician, they are a… well, they are ultimately a sort of “trust broker.” This is covered in a bunch of business books and perhaps the most accessible one I've read is called ‘The E-Myth' which can be distilled down to some very simple but important concepts.
We have this tendency to believe that if we are great at something we should start a business around it. Like if you're the best baker in the world and you love baking at some point you'll say to yourself, “shouldn't I start a bakery?”
And the message of the E-Myth is that no, you shouldn't.
Because if you start a bakery you will spend precious little time baking. You won't be a baker anymore, you'll be an entrepreneur and the life of an entrepreneur is wildly different than that of a baker. You'll be doing financing and marketing and sales and inventory and accounting and a thousand other things and baking will be a distant memory.
Many people fall into this trap and they become unhappy.
But some don't — some people aren't in it for the specific craft of baking or whatever else, they're in it to make an ideal habitat for bakers to bake in and so they take on all those myriad tasks mentioned above. And by taking them on, they afford those people who just want to bake the opportunity to do so.
And if they're really good, they even create a fantastic kitchen and source the best ingredients and in doing so they can attract the best bakers in the world.
This is what entrepreneurship is, you see: it is not about money or power (those are derivatives); it's a proper craft in its own right. It is the craft of enabling specialists, and part of that is this habitat stuff and a lot of the rest of it is trust brokering.
There are many facets to this too — there are relationships with capital sources and there are internal relationships and business partnerships and all manner of things to be tended to. So if you ask, “isn't it odd one man is at the center of this budding industry?” then my answer to your question would be no, it's not odd at all. It's natural.
It's natural for industry to commercialize research once it's far enough along, and ML has been an active area of research for well over a decade. It's natural for a singular company to crack the case on how to speak to the customer — there are innumerable stories of these breakouts going back centuries. It's natural for a someone who is an entrepreneur as their actual craft to be at the center of it.
Sam is one heck of an ‘entrepreneur craftsman'—you're hearing that echoed by we techies. It took 24hrs for the cabal of mutineers to realize how vital he was. Imagine the sheer gravity of a person like that.
He doesn't need to be a technologist; he needs to be what he is.
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What does that have to do with being made a random product manager deep inside Microsoft?
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He's basically becoming the CEO of OpenAI v.2 to run with pretty much as he pleases. It's no different to the current CEO of Github, Thomas Dohmke. The dude reports to the CEO of microsoft but has pretty much full autonomy over his own domain. I wouldn't call being CEO of Github as being a random product manager deep inside microsoft, it's more like you are a CEO under the umbrella of Microsoft, you have all the power and responsibility of your average CEO, but instead of a board overseeing you, it's Microsoft itself that does that.
This is a pretty common structure in big firms, especially multinationals, e.g. Nestle India is a fully owned by Nestle company that operates in India. It has a CEO (Suresh Narayanan) who has the same level of freedoms to do CEO shit as the CEO of any other directly registered company, only difference is who is above the CEO, whether it is an independent board or the CEO of a parent organisation. Indeed people jump all the time from being CEOs of wholly owned subsidaries to CEOs of stand alone companies and vice versa, which tells us that empirically the skills for both cases are pretty similar.
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You could have done crack instead of this shit
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I wish I was doing crack...
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Seems at odds with the observation that all these big tech firms seem unable to innovate internally (at least over the last 15 years)
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google has been massively innovating in machine learning research.
it just doesn't end up in end user products, at least not end users who pay only with pageviews and adclicks.
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Okay so they've developed slightly better marketing technology (which has degraded the quality of search for some reason)?
What else? Seems like a lot of their ML/AI guys got btfo by openAI.
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Sounds pretty lame, tbh
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This fricking
pisses me off because I paid for Chat GPT Plus. Now I feel like an idiot, an imbecile, a fool.
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Great, btw Microsoft is spending $50 billion in hardware buildout for AI. surely nothing bad or dystopic will happen.
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What's so great about Sam Altman? People are acting like he's some sort of singular genius, but he seems a lot like just another tech bro CEO.
This is a serious question.
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He's just the new hotness, so he's more important for now
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Good, nice post to print and wipe my butt with it later on. I believe dedicated people can write a shitton like those/make fake researches, put up 2+2 and make it seem like legit stuff, yeah?
Snapshots:
ghostarchive.org
archive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
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