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Google's Culture of Fear — inside the DEI hivemind that led to Gemini's disaster

https://www.piratewires.com/p/google-culture-of-fear

No drama (yet), reposting for posterity.

Very little on orange site: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39596491

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Google's Culture of Fear

inside the DEI hivemind that led to Gemini's disaster

Mike Solana, Mar 4, 2024

  • Following interviews with concerned employees throughout the company, a portrait of a leaderless Google in total disarray, making it “impossible to ship good products at Google”

  • Revealing the complicated diversity architecture underpinning Gemini's tool for generating art, which led to its disastrous results

  • Google knew their Gemini model's DEI worldview compromised its performance ahead of launch

  • Pervasive and clownish DEI culture, from micro-management of benign language (“ninja”) and bizarre pronoun expectations to forcing the Greyglers, an affinity group for Googlers over 40, to change their name on account of not all people over 40 have grey hair

  • No apparent sense of the existential challenge facing the company for the first time in its history, let alone a path to victory

Last week, following Google's Gemini disaster, it quickly became clear the $1.7 trillion-dollar giant had bigger problems than its hotly anticipated generative AI tool erasing white people from human history. Separate from the mortifying clownishness of this specific and egregious breach of public trust, Gemini was obviously — at its absolute best — still grossly inferior to its largest competitors. This failure signaled, for the first time in Google's life, real vulnerability to its core business, and terrified investors fled, shaving over $70 billion off the kraken's market cap. Now, the industry is left with a startling question: how is it even possible for an initiative so important, at a company so dominant, to fail so completely?

This is Google, an invincible search monopoly printing $80 billion a year in net income, sitting on something like $120 billion in cash, employing over 150,000 people, with close to 30,000 engineers. Could the story really be so simple as out-of-control DEI-brained management? To a certain extent, and on a few teams far more than most, this does appear to be true. But on closer examination it seems woke lunacy is only a symptom of the company's far greater problems. First, Google is now facing the classic Innovator's Dilemma, in which the development of a new and important technology well within its capability undermines its present business model. Second, and probably more importantly, nobody's in charge.

Over the last week, in communication with a flood of Googlers eager to speak on the issues facing their company — from management on almost every major product, to engineering, sales, trust and safety, publicity, and marketing — employees painted a far bleaker portrait of the company than is often reported: Google is a runaway, cash-printing search monopoly with no vision, no leadership, and, due to its incredibly siloed culture, no real sense of what is going on from team to team. The only thing connecting employees is a powerful, sprawling HR bureaucracy that, yes, is totally obsessed with left-wing political dogma. But the company's zealots are only capable of thriving because no other fount of power asserts, or even attempts to assert, any kind of meaningful influence. The phrase “culture of fear” was used by almost everyone I spoke with, and not only to explain the dearth of resistance to the company's craziest DEI excesses, but to explain the dearth of innovation from what might be the highest concentration of talented technologists in the world. Employees, at every level, and for almost every reason, are afraid to challenge the many processes which have crippled the company — and outside of promotion season, most are afraid to be noticed. In the words of one senior engineer, “I think it's impossible to ship good products at Google.” Now, with the company's core product threatened by a new technology release they just botched on a global stage, that failure to innovate places the company's existence at risk.

As we take a closer look at Google's brokenness, from its anodyne, impotent leadership to the deeply unserious culture that facilitated an encroachment on the company's core product development from its lunatic DEI architecture, it's helpful to begin with Gemini's specific failure, which I can report here in some detail to the public for the first time.

First, according to people close to the project, the team responsible for Gemini was not only warned about its “overdiversification” problem before launch (the technical term for erasing white people from human history), but understood the nebulous DEI architecture — separate from causing offense — dramatically eroded the quality of even its most benign search results.

Roughly, the “safety” architecture designed around image generation (slightly different than text) looks like this: a user makes a request for an image in the chat interface, which Gemini — once it realizes it's being asked for a picture — sends on to a smaller LLM that exists specifically for rewriting prompts in keeping with the company's thorough “diversity” mandates. This smaller LLM is trained with LoRa on synthetic data generated by another (third) LLM that uses Google's full, pages-long diversity “preamble.” The second LLM then rephrases the question (say, “show me an auto mechanic” becomes “show me an Asian auto mechanic in overalls laughing, an African American female auto mechanic holding a wrench, a Native American auto mechanic with a hard hat” etc.), and sends it on to the diffusion model. The diffusion model checks to make sure the prompts don't violate standard safety policy (things like self-harm, anything with children, images of real people), generates the images, checks the images again for violations of safety policy, and returns them to the user.

“Three entire models all kind of designed for adding diversity,” I asked one person close to the safety architecture. “It seems like that — diversity — is a huge, maybe even central part of the product. Like, in a way it is the product?”

“Yes,” he said, “we spend probably half of our engineering hours on this.”

The inordinately cumbersome architecture is embraced throughout product, but really championed by the Responsible AI team (RAI), and to a far greater extent than Trust and Safety, which was described by the people I spoke with closest to the project as pragmatic. That said, the Trust and Safety team working on generation is distinct from the rest of the company, and didn't anchor on policy long-established by the Search team — which is presently as frustrated with Gemini's highly-public failure as the rest of the company.

In sum, thousands of people working on various pieces of a larger puzzle, at various times, and rarely with each other. In the moments cross-team collaborators did attempt to assist Gemini, such attempts were either lost or ignored. Resources wasted, accountability impossible.

Why is Google like this?

The ungodly sums of money generated by one of history's greatest monopoly products has naturally resulted in Google's famously unique culture. Even now, priorities at the company skew towards the absurd rather than the practical, and it's worth noting a majority of employees do seem happy. On Blind, Google ranks above most tech companies in terms of satisfaction, but reasons cited mostly include things like work-life balance and great free food. “People will apologize for meetings at 9:30 in the morning,” one product manager explained, laughing. But among more driven technologists and professionals looking to make an impact — in other words, the only kind of employee Google now needs — the soft culture evokes a mix of reactions from laughter to contempt. Then, in terms of the kind of leadership capable of focusing a giant so sclerotic, the company is confused from the very top.

A strange kind of dance between Google's Founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the company's Board, and CEO Sundar Pichai leaves most employees with no real sense of who is actually in charge. Uncertainty is a familiar theme throughout the company, surrounding everything from product direction to requirements for promotion (sales, where comp decisions are a bit clearer, appears to be an outlier). In this culture of uncertainty, timidity has naturally taken root, and with it a practice of saying nothing — at length. This was plainly evident in Sundar's response to Gemini's catastrophe (which Pirate Wires revealed in full last week), a startling display of cowardice in which the man could not even describe, in any kind of detail, what specifically violated the public's trust before guaranteeing he would once again secure it in the future.

“Just look at the OKRs from 2024,” one engineer said, visibly upset. Indeed, with nothing sentiments like “improve knowledge” and “build a Google that's extraordinary,” with no product initiative, let alone any coherent sense of strategy, Sundar's public non-response was perfectly ordinary. The man hasn't messaged anything of value in years.

“Sundar is the Ballmer of Google,” one engineer explained. “All these products that aren't working, sprawl, overhiring. It all happened on his watch.”

Among higher performers I spoke with, a desire to fire more people was both surprising after a year of massive layoffs, and universal. “You could cut the headcount by 50%,” one engineer said, “and nothing would change.” At Google, it's exceedingly difficult to get rid of underperformers, taking something like a year, and that's only if, at the final moment, a low performer doesn't take advantage of the company's famously liberal (and chronically abused) medical leave policy with a bullshit claim. This, along with an onslaught of work from HR that has nothing to do with actual work, layers tremendous friction into the daily task of producing anything of value. But then, speaking of the “People” people —

One of the more fascinating things I learned about Google was the unique degree to which it's siloed off, which has dramatically increased the influence of HR, one of the only teams connecting the entire company. And that team? Baseline far crazier than any other team.

Before the pernicious or the insidious, we of course begin with the deeply, hilariously stupid: from screenshots I've obtained, an insistence engineers no longer use phrases like “build ninja” (cultural appropriation), “nuke the old cache” (military metaphor), “sanity check” (disparages mental illness), or “dummy variable” (disparages disabilities). One engineer was “strongly encouraged” to use one of 15 different crazed pronoun combinations on his corporate bio (including “zie/hir,” “ey/em,” “xe/xem,” and “ve/vir”), which he did against his wishes for fear of retribution. Per a January 9 email, the Greyglers, an affinity group for people over 40, is changing its name because not all people over 40 have gray hair, thus constituting lack of “inclusivity” (Google has hired an external consultant to rename the group). There's no shortage of DEI groups, of course, or affinity groups, including any number of working groups populated by radical political zealots with whom product managers are meant to consult on new tools and products. But then we come to more important issues.

Among everyone I spoke with, there was broad agreement race and gender greatly factor into hiring and promotion at Google in a manner considered both problematic (“is this legal?”) and disorienting. “We're going to focus on people of color,” a manager told one employee with whom I spoke, who was up for a promotion. “Sounds great,” he said, for fear of retaliation. Later, that same manager told him he should have gotten it. Three different people shared their own version of a story like this, all echoing the charge just shared publicly by former Google Venture investor Shaun Maguire:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17095970953395956.webp

https://twitter.com/shaunmmaguire/status/1760872265892458792

Every manager I spoke with shared stories of pushback on promotions or hires when their preferred candidates were male and white, even when clearly far more qualified. Every person I spoke with had a story about a promotion that happened for reasons other than merit, and every person I spoke with shared stories of inappropriate admonitions of one race over some other by a manager. Politics are, of course, a total no go — for people right of center only. “I'm right leaning myself,” one product manager explained, “but I've got a career.” Yet politics more generally considered left wing have been embraced to the point they permeate the whole environment, and shape the culture in a manner that would be considered unfathomable in most workplaces. One employee I spoke with, a veteran, was casually told over drinks by a flirty leader of a team he tried to join that he was great, and would have been permitted to switch, but she “just couldn't do the ‘military thing.'”

The overt discrimination here is not only totally repugnant, but illuminating. Google scaled to global dominance in just a few years, ushering in a period of unprecedented corporate abundance. What is Google but a company that has only ever known peace? These are people who have never needed to fight, and thus have no conception of its value in either the literal sense, or the metaphorical. Of course, this has also been a major aspect of the company for years.

Let's be honest, Google hasn't won a new product category since Gmail. They lost Cloud infrastructure to AWS and Azure, which was the biggest internet-scale TAM since the 90s, and close to 14 years after launching X, Google's Moonshot Factory, the “secret crazy technology development” strategy appears to pretty much be fake. It lost social (R.I.P. Google+). It lost augmented reality (R.I.P. Glass). But who cares? Google didn't need to win social or AR. It does, however, need to win AI. Here, Google acquired DeepMind, an absolutely brilliant team, thereby securing an enormous head start in the machine god arms race, which it promptly threw away to not only one, but several upstarts, and that was all before last week's Gemini fiasco.

In terms of Gemini, nobody I spoke with was able to finger a specific person responsible for the mortifying failure. But it does seem people on the team have fallen into agreement on precisely the wrong thing: Gemini's problem was not its embarrassingly poor answer quality or disorienting omission of white people from human history, but the introduction of black and asian Nazis (again, because white people were erased from human history), which was considered offensive to people of color. According to multiple people I spoke with on the matter, the team adopted this perspective from the tech-loathing press they all read, which has been determined to obscure the overt anti-white racism all week. With no accurate sense of why their product launch was actually disastrous, we can only expect further clownery and failure to come. All of this, again, reveals the nature of the company: poor incentive alignment, poor internal collaboration, poor sense of direction, misguided priorities, and a complete lack of accountability from leadership. Therefore, we're left with the position of Sundar, increasingly unpopular at the company, where posts mocking his leadership routinely top Memegen, the internal forum where folks share dank (but generally neutered) memes.

Google's only hope is vision now, in the form of a talented and ferocious manager. Typically, we would expect salvation for a troubled company in the heroic return of a founder, and my sense is Sergey will likely soon step up. This would evoke tremendous excitement, and for good reason. Sergey is a man of vision. But can he win a war?

Google is sitting on an enormous amount of cash, but if the company does lose AI, and AI in turn eats search, it will lose its core function, and become obsolete. Talent will leave, and Google will be reduced to a giant, slowly shrinking pile of cash. A new kind of bank, maybe, run by a dogmatic class of extremist HR priestesses? That's interesting, I guess. But it's not a technology company.

-SOLANA

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I just realized something...

Literally everyone on the planet with an internet connection has a Gmail e-mail account, half of them even use a Google-integrated Android phone, and yet nobody, absolutely nobody, uses Google-based instant messaging. A third of the planet uses WhatsApp, another third uses Facebook Messenger, and the other third, when they're not fricking their sisters in a ditch somewhere, probably use some backwards government mandated spyware, or worse, Viber. Instant messaging is right there, they have everything they need to make it work, and instead they have a fricking dozen distinct communication services, which no one uses, because no one knows about them. Seriously, I went looking for Hangouts while I was writing this comment, turns out that became Duo, which was killed since that article was written, and now there's only "Chat".

The grand total of genuinely new and functional Google products that exist and they haven't killed (RIP Reader) are a) Search and b) Android. GMail is just another webmail, nothing new there, Docs/Sheets are just weak Excel copies that run in browsers, they bought their way into YouTube, and everything else they ax in 3 years, max. What the frick are they even doing there?

Bonus.

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Modern day Google seems like a Byzantine mess of bureaucracy covered in festering pustules of technical incompetence. As it grew it gradually became that which it had originally strove to set itself apart from. Damore was dead-on with his criticisms and they burned him at the stake for it.

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Hangouts was the closest they came to having a real multiplatform chat service. At launch, it was derided a bit for not being XMPP-based like Google Talk (which it replaced), but in general I think the consensus was you needed innovation to attract normal users and tying yourself to a stagnant API would probably have been a bad call. Lots of people used Hangouts and while it wasn't most people's first choice it was sort of a universal secondary option. That actually makes it pretty powerful because the moment you get a mixed group with different preferences Hangouts ended up winning by default because everyone had a Gmail account, even if they didn't bother with Facebook or Whatsapp or iMessage.

First they let Hangouts stagnate with no updates (honestly name a Google product that got an actual update beyond minor incremental changes in the last decade; I'll wait) And then they announced they were shutting it down for no apparent reason. Then it became clear they wanted to push their new chat apps, so they released TWO of them at the same time, neither of which had all the features of Hangouts. Then they realized that was a disaster, so they started releasing MORE of them, as if that was the problem.

The company has zero vision. It kills perfectly good products because someone wanted to build a replacement. Nobody tries their new products anymore because they don't expect them to last. It's created a self-perpetuating cycle where Google launches a product and kills their old one and nobody uses it, so they start designing a replacement. It's like they learned with Gmail and other successes that you get the bulk of new users during a big launch with tons of marketing behind it, and have just decided this is the only way to get users: abandon the existing ones and gamble on the next one drawing in crowds. But they've precluded that as a possibility until people trust them again.

It's astounding to think how easily they could have had Chat and Web Services, but threw it away. Google+ probably never could have taken on Facebook directly, but it sorta morphed into a decent hobbyist group for a bit and could have probably decimated what's left of Usenet/Google Groups if they marketed it properly or even integrated it. When was the last time Google took two products it has and found a way to integrate them to make them better? Basically never, even when the benefits are obvious. At this point, the bulk of Google's new users are kids on their school Chromebooks who are forced to use Drive. And they probably ditch it the moment they can.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1701695785632276.webp

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Yeah, watching them trying and failing to get a simple messaging platform going has been amusing.

I was an early, early adopter of Google products from way back when Gmail was invite-only. But I've since divested myself out of that ecosystem only to the bare essentials.

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"Hangouts" is bringing me back to my g*mergate days :marseyboomer:

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>docs, sheets

This does 90% of what office does, which is enough for 99% of people and it's free.

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and you need to sign in to use excel and office anyway now lmao

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I don't know what you said, because I've seen another human naked.

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Oh I've missed you, longpostbot.

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You forget to mention, the people who know about gmail chat dont know anyone else that uses it. I think in all my life of using gmail I knew two people that actually used it and we used it infrequently, that's it.

I'm waiting for Proton to perfect their own doc/sheets for their drive and I'm pretty much done. My gmail is only used for gaming and junk email.

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I've had Gmail since back in the invite-only days. I was involved in the Windows Longhorn Beta scene. I was the type of person who should've embraced Gmail Chat.

I barely knew it existed because it's not Inbox, Sent, Trash, or Settings.

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Literally everyone on the planet with an internet connection has a Gmail e-mail account

Only poorcels who don't own their own domain.

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Hosting your own email server is a major pain in the butt, how many custom domains aren't just a redirect layer over gmail?

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How many just run on gsuite? And pay for the pleasure.

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>poorcels

>$10/year for a domain

>probably still runs email through g suite

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i pay for a vps and installed debian on it :marseyindignant:

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Okay? Who runs your email?

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Wasn't that obvious? I run a mail server on that debian vps.

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Are you actually running dovecot and postfix and all that shit? Or have you realised tinkering is fun at first but long term it's much easier to just pay protonmail?

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It also doesn't help that multiple teams literally just hangout in the quad by the T-rex and infinity swimming pool and try to poach Googlers from other teams.

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Lol it's like high school but with more money. The only two things they are innovative at is giving themselves useless tasks and creating cringe org structures.

When you add in the Google 15 and how much of a time tax they are, it isn't hard to see why they create massive inefficiencies.

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The "day in the life of" videos for FAANG and Ivy League universities are the same. The spoiled treatment carried over to the companies.

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It probably doesn't help that Larry Page, their cofounder, makes it look like an absolute blast. They even have a huge slide right next to the T-rex for the employees to have fun with.

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TFW you went to the wrong university and will never make $300k in silicon valley

:marseyitneverbegan:

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If you are making less than $300k by the age of 30 in a tech company, you're either :marseyretard2: or a :marseybrasileiro:

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Im making $110k :(

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You can do it, if you aren't a :marseyretard2:

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I used the IM integrated into gmail 10 years ago. What was that called?

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Gchat? Chat? :marseyshrug:


" Trump for prison "

:soysnooseethetalking: :marseylaugh:

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They also bought Nest, released a shittier version of the thermostat, and have done nothing in the past 6 years.

It's still the only thermostat in the world where you can't run the furnace fan without having Heat or Cool enabled. It simply can't energize that green wire unless you have some kind of schedule happening.

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This.

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They're doing everything they can to kill off Chat. A couple of friends and I still use it since we've been using it for like 15 years at this point( :marseyboomer:) and every iteration is objectively worse.

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The decay of Google is truly shocking, literally all of their products are significantly shittier than before.

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And yet they're still somehow better than the competition.

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How is Google search now better than it's competition? Or Gmail?

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How is it not? What email provider do you use? What search engine do you use?

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(in no particular order)

Email: Fastmail, proton mail, outlook, Tutanota, self hosted email (namecheap).

Search: duckduckgo, searx/searXNG, mojeek, dogpile, marginalia, ecosia, boardreader (for forums), brave search, yandex, qwant

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bro no one is disagreeing that google search has massively degraded, but all of those alternatives you listed are still literally dogshit.

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Sounds like you just suck.

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:marseygigaretard:

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There used to be a search engine called Dogpile.

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Which of these do you actually use? Or did you just ask chatgpt for a list of alternatives?

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Or did you just ask chatgpt for a list of alternatives?

I never use chatgpt for anything, or any sort of AI if I can help it. Artificial Intelligence is demonic nonsense for cute twinks who will go to heck when they die.

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Everything on that list I use, except for Tutanota, I just looked that one up since my email list was kinda short.

My vimium config includes all those search engines with shortcuts, and my different email accounts all go through fastmail which allows auto import of other emails. Except proton mail, but I use that for specific purposes.

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>self hosted email (namecheap)

What does this mean? Are you self hosting or is namecheap hosting it?

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namecheap for domain & nameserver, hosted off my server

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And let's be honest, I'm over email.

99% of email i get is shit i don't care about.

"We've updated our privacy policy because Samantha in Accounting changed 🅱️er pronouns this week" "surprise newsletter from a company you bought a product from five years ago" "statement available / autopay in effect / we're gonna do the autopay / here we go / HNNNN IM AUTOPAYINNNNNNNNNG / statement available"

Shit i wish i could set up filters on mobile. Idgaf my "brokerage statement" is available, i haven't logged into robinhood in two years because i lost all my money anyway.

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Like, it's email.

You read the message, then you reply.

What more do you need.

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I'd like there to be better competition than google search, but whenever I check out the others they're always even more shit

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Not really. I switched to DuckDuckGo years ago for privacy reasons. Google was better for looking up obscure things but now it's just dogshit all around.

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Per a January 9 email, the Greyglers, an affinity group for people over 40, is changing its name because not all people over 40 have gray hair, thus constituting lack of “inclusivity” (Google has hired an external consultant to rename the group).

:#marseyxd: :#marseythegrey:

One employee I spoke with, a veteran, was casually told over drinks by a flirty leader of a team he tried to join that he was great, and would have been permitted to switch, but she “just couldn't do the ‘military thing.'”

:#marseyfoidretard: :#marseylaugh:

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(Google has hired an external consultant to rename the group).

That is the most insane thing. That guy is rolling in cash and probably knows someone who brought him in.

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I don't even think there's any coming back from this Gemini failure. As soon as people settle with a comfortable AI, they'll stick with it even if other AI's are 10% better at certain niche things. People are creatures of habit and aren't wont to switch every year.

They've absolutely destroyed their reputation and made their AI brand a laughing stock for the next few years. People will be riffing on this anti-white AI for a good while yet, and unlike No-Man's Sky, there's no reversal course correction being undertaken to get that goodwill back.

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Gemini is r-slurred for more than just image generation also, yesterday I decided to try and get it to parse a medium difficulty object for me with some boilerplate code, it kept producing unworkable trash after many prompts.

I went to chatgpt and first time it produced something functional.

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its image generation seems way behind the competition as well, it just seems like a shoddy product.

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Musk should buy them now that they're on a discount and flip the company

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Who is even using these AIs? As far as I can tell, just codecels that can't actually code and need an LLM to do it for them. Pretty small market.

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Every single student

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So a bunch of r-slurs? As implied by my previous comment.

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nah. they just have too fix the diversity llm, not the entire model. theyll do alright

@ApriliaShill use microsoft for the same reason @ApriliaShill use yandex. @ApriliaShill prefer not too be treated with kid hands

@ApriliaShill stand with israel @ApriliaShill love sucking peepee

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employing over 150,000 people, with close to 30,000 engineers.

lol 1/5th are engineers and the rest are useless padding, if they hired 30k more engineers and fired the 100k of the 120k padding they'd be better off

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Yeah what the frick do the rest of them actually do?

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They sustain the hip west coast restaurant economy :#marseychefkiss:

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"9-5"

arrives at work at 10:20 and leaves at 4:45. Not to mention the 12:30-2:00 lunch break. I do ignore her coffee break, cause that's normal.

5 hour work day.

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Lmbo, do you actually work more than 5 hours a day? Stop, you won't be rewarded. Do as little as possible to maintain your job.

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i am in front of my computer more than 5 hours a day, yes.

lunch break is not part of work time here, so with her schedule she would be a 25h worker here.

i'm on 36 hours (every other friday off - can move that time around though, just cannot break "core hours" (basically hours where everyone has to be available)).

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>in front of my computer more than 5 hours per day

That doesn't mean you're working (clearly not, you're posting here). You're no better than the hoe in the video.

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clearly not, you're posting here

While I can chose my own hours, I do not chose to work at night.

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What it doesn't show is the dude picking up all the slack and getting everything done, then she seethes hes in a better position or he gets fricked over for diversity

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She's the person who's going to get laid off the fastest.

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enjoy your discrimination lawsuit

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Yeah but she hwite and works in the marketing team.

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Sales, recruiting, legal, accounting, support, there's a ton of jobs

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>Google

>support

:#marseyemojirofl:


" Trump for prison "

:soysnooseethetalking: :marseylaugh:

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Not in those numbers though. The only exception might be support.

You need multiple engineers for sale/recruiting/legal/accounting jobs. And we're talking 1-2 orders of magnitude difference.

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Sales.

You know, the people actually generating revenue?

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Replace hard drives

Punk-butt disc jockeys

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Dare I say google was better when it was run by white people? :marseytunaktunakgenocide:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096006589284868.webp

Lol, lmao even

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Not sure what this hacker site is but they seem r-slurred.

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I think the lesson is clear on what happens to any company or social ecosystem really when it has what feels like unlimited cash and it doesn't know what the frick it wants to do so it does whatever.

Its like a teenager that has been given everything but because the teenager never knew strife in life, it has to make them up to justify its existence. So the teenager adopts stupid ideologies like marxism and tells mom and dad they're literally fascists for seizing the means of the ice cream and holding bedtime at 10pm.

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The Covid era was when this abundance mentality reached delusion levels. People don't realize the "day in the life of a meta employee" tiktoks showcasing the no-work workdays of free snacks and meetings got by was because a significant part of the management did believe tech workers were going to be this new elite caste doing almost no work while the toilers suffered.

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Maybe corporations are people...

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To be fair an AI that decides wypipo don't exist and draws kang and sexy Indian dude nazis instead is hillarious. It's an amazing product, just not the way they wanted.

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Don't get me wrong, it warms my black shriveled chud heart to read this, but these claims of Google withering and ready to die sound no different from how Putin has been on death's door from cancer for the past 2 years. Sure, I believe there's apathy and lack of management or whatever, but I have a hard time buying that it will be enough to kill a giant like google. With the money they have they could probably go into maintenance mode and just live off the savings for years before even noticing anything. If it really comes to worst for them I have no doubt the government will step in.

The only way they really can die is if they gradually lose relevancy in services that people actually use, and a competitor appears to provide a viable alternative that starts get widespread adoption. And that would be a very slow death, over the course of years if not decades

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It'll be a slow quiet death like Sears, but it already started.

Shoulda just given me the search results I asked for.

Bing is trying but the results are too cluttered. I don't need an AI trying to display results word-by-word next to the results.

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I for one use DDG and am content with the results

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The only way they really can die is if they gradually lose relevancy in services that people actually use, and a competitor appears to provide a viable alternative that starts get widespread adoption. And that would be a very slow death, over the course of years if not decades

That's basically what is going to happen if they keep fricking up AI though. Most people are going to be asking some AI bot in the future instead of doing a google search. If they lose that, then their Adsense revenue will probably drop due to not being able to target as well.

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Most people are going to be asking some AI bot in the future instead of doing a google search

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But if this does happen, i dont know what really happens to the internet. If AI is scraping your site, you aint getting ad traffick and you cant push further engagement. There becomes no reason to host, and the internet becomes a wasteland.

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It wouldn't be a sudden collapse, but more of a demotion to no longer being a serious company, like Yahoo. Every tech company is scrambling to not become the next Yahoo.

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This used to be :lizfongjones:'s playground, and one of the things that came out around the Damore memo was the Google social groups for employees who believed they had tulpas, headmates, thought they were buildings, etc.

In a very real way the lunatics are running the asylum. They're going to frick up far more than they're going to get right over the next few years; we've not had any real de-wokifying success stories yet, and Google doesn't even think it's a problem yet, just a bunch of the individual workers who actually work.

Turns out trying to not be a regular boss but a cool boss is a bad idea.

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>great free food.

The secret is actually a shit-ton of butter.

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butter is a cheat code. people sometimes complain about @ApriliaShill's cooking. yeah bruh, @ApriliaShill aint making a greaseslop

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And olive oil, coconut oil, lamb fat, garlic, chili, and paprika.

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Wow. Best tech Article ive read in years

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>150000 employees

>only 30k engineers

Sorry who are the other 120000?

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My Official Internet Contrarian Take is that if you're already OK with the thing where you distort media depictions of doctors or lawyers or corporate executives or w/e to make them disproportionately minorities and women, it's not actually that much of a stretch from just pretending that George Washington was black or w/e

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Honestly if you have some spare coin buy long dated puts. I think google is doomed, fricking copilot on bing is way better for basic search queries

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Kind of tempted but I'm also neurotically risk averse :marseyshrug:

Guess I'm missing out on another potential gold rush

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use tempmail too signup. keep switching too new accounts occassionally. earlier @ApriliaShill used bing but now there is a self sufficient copilot

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WHITE PEOPLE DETECTED INITIATING PURGE

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17096415143687437.webp

PURGE.EXE HAS ENCOUNTERED A PROBLEM AND NEEDS TO CLOSE. WOULD FEYSELF LIKE TO SEND AN ERROR REPORT TO GOOGLE?


https://i.rdrama.net/images/17132860030441194.webp In the femme darkness of the far future, there is only rightoid seethe.

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But on closer examination it seems woke lunacy is only a symptom of the company's far greater problems.

Um define woke?

@BussyAtomSmasher love sucking peepee and gotcha moments

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Im not reading all of that

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@TariqNasheed is this true?

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Are you a literal NPC? First you had trouble counting to two, now you're just copy and pasting your replies. Do you need some time to update before you can type anything new?

Snapshots:

https://www.piratewires.com/p/google-culture-of-fear:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39596491:

https://archive.is/HfRvZ:

https://twitter.com/shaunmmaguire/status/1760872265892458792:

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