Apple's recently announced “M4”benchmark leaks.
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Seems to me Apple is still pulling off black magic with their chip designs. They didn't say it at the keynote but it seems to have ~20% performance increase over the M3 and it's beating Intels wacky i9-14900KF.
https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/imac-24-inch-2023-10c-gpu
https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/intel-core-i9-14900kf
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It's still impressively fast but the performance increase over M3 is mostly from higher clocks which are mostly down to better node.
Clock normalized, the geekbench uplift is carried by 1 particular score doubling, where Apple gained by replacing their proprietary units by more common ones that Geekbench actually utilizes now
https://x.com/negativeonehero/status/1788360191471431919
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I'm not saying they're wrong but I'm confused why the Geekbench benchmark would be shipping instructions that have never been used on an Apple ARM device before.
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Geekbench is cross platform, I don't really follow what you mean by shipping instructions that weren't used on Apple before, like they won't conform to Apple specific needs.
Either way, Apple had matrix units before, they just couldn't be properly accessed, these newer ones can
https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1cnfzwy/apple_appears_to_have_replaced_amx_with_arms_sme/l3ap2gl/?context=8
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Yeah I get Geekbench is cross-platform what I'm missing is why their compiled version of iOS Geekbench would have invalid instructions for the platform.
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they added SME in version 6.3 a month ago
and it's guarded by a runtime check
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I read more into it and yeah it seems they do checks to see if they can run the instruction- that makes more sense
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Yeah it can hit that performance...for a minute before being thermal throttled lmao
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I need RAM. The highest RAM available (m3 max with 38GB shared) costs $3200. a 64GB x1 thinkpad with i7 13th costs $1800.
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i wish linux users, not hackintosh bullshit, could get a laptop like this
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Even better- it's an iPad
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Hopefully they will announce m4 MacBook pro at WDC in June then I can remind our it dept that I'm overdue an upgrade (but honestly I don't need one the M1 is that good).
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They just launched the M3 six months ago, I think we'll be waiting a hot minute for new MBPs.
I think the next device to be upgraded will be the Mac Studio
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i wish linux users didn't exist
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me too
t. Linux user
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who is t. linux user
tex? todd? taylor? tedford?
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yea
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*GNU/Linux
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Linux users should have an easier time abandoning Intel for ARM, no? You can get snapdragon ThinkPads now.
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A lot of the hardware still has proprietary drivers specifically for Windows or Android, though in some cases Android drivers can be used. In particular, GPUs are not well supported, though there are other smaller problems. Overall, the situation is kind of like it was for x86 PCs 20 years ago.
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frick me its 70% faster than the M2
I guess I will wait for the M4 Air
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The M2 is 70% as fast, not the M4 is 70% faster. You should've noticed the multi core being 10k vs 14k, so about 40-45% difference.
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tomato potato
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Yeah, who knew just how lazy Intel was being.
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tbh I doubt it's all or even mostly laziness. They're just stuck to literally 40 odd years of backwards compat.
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Eh, I think Ryzen showed more conclusively that they were resting on their laurels and enjoying the 5% YOY improvements they could fart out.
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Genuinely going to buy a 2nm M6 Max for ML when it comes out
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Are the M3 MBPs too slow? Lol
I've been playing around with local LLaMA stuff (so interference not training) and the unified memory has been very useful.
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I can do enough on my M1 and 2070 for now. I think the 2nm Mac is going to be a decent upgrade and I can wait for it.
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Yeah for sure. My friend does a decent amount of coding on his base model M1 Air just fine.
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I am new to GitHub and I have lots to say
I DONT GIVE A FRICK ABOUT THE FRICKING CODE! i just want to download this stupid fricking application and use it https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock#installation
WHY IS THERE CODE??? MAKE A FRICKING .EXE FILE AND GIVE IT TO ME. these dumbfricks think that everyone is a developer and understands code. well i am not and i don't understand it. I only know to download and install applications. SO WHY THE FRICK IS THERE CODE? make an EXE file and give it to me. STUPID FRICKING SMELLY NERDS
Snapshots:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6013825:
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archive.ph (click to archive)
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