Step by step guide into an entry level IT job? :clueless: I just got the Comptia A+ certification

First I'm sorry if this isn't appropriate for the hole :marseyshy4: Second I'm not Indian :kovid: Third I'm not a codecel and I notice that's what rDrama seems to lean towards. I was thinking something like helpdesk or even physical repair shop before looking at cybersecurity or network infrastructure.

How do people feel about comptia certifications anyway? I've heard conflicting opinions including on this very site. :marseynotes:

I don't have any IT work experience, just my wagie jobs. I've heard projects are a good substitute but what would be a good project for a non-codecel? Should I set up switches and routers or something? Also what kind of tests should I expect in the actual interview? :marseyhelp:

Also I've never messed with LinkedIn before. Do I have to go do that? :marseyclueless:

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Similar to retail, two big questions an employer has when hiring a low level IT wagie are is this person crazy and will they actually show up to the job. So really try give off an aura that answers no and yes to those questions.

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Important third question with helpdesk is "Are you going to be tolerable to work with?" since nobody wants to deal with a junior who needs to be shown how to change a password in AD for the 100th time or does so with no verification as to who's calling. Make a point about how you find value in note taking not just for studying but for practical experience like when your dad was teaching you how to change a tyre or some shit like that in the interview to assure them that you figure out how to perform stuff after one explanation. But at the same time show some awareness that you know when is appropriate to ask for help so you don't cause a bigger problem.

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This is one of those weird things, it's pretty important to bring to the table, but the exact right words can randomly get you the job or the exact wrong words can give the interviewer the ick - and you could give the exact same interview to 3 different managers and get different results because one just fired a guy for trying to build his own sketchy pentesting environment on company systems instead of just confirming with his coworker that he should just forward a suspicious email to security, one is absolutely sick of the last "good notetaker" he hired who has endless questions, and the other is looking for a bullshit excuse to not hire you because they already picked someone else so he flips a mental coin of writing "seems arrogant and risky" or "not independent enough."

Still gotta bring it to the table either way, but, it can be a crapshoot. One of those times to really suppress autism and lean into social queues.

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Definitely agree that it's a hard balance to strike.

one is absolutely sick of the last "good notetaker" he hired who has endless questions

Others are unfortunate but this one seems like a management skill issue. Either fire him during probation or if you see potential get him to work on maintaining an internal wiki under the guise of having documented procedures for other new hires. Worst case he's shit at that too (and you have a stick to beat him with at performance review), best case he stops bothering you since you can say "didn't you document this in the wiki?" and you also actually do end up with a wiki for new hires.

Adds some workload for you since you need to review the pages but less annoying than getting bothered about the same shit at random times.

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Yeah, I didn't have him fire the notetaker in the scenario because it's more manageable than the r-slur who's already fricked up confident in his cyber security expertise.

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Second I'm not Indian

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I'm not :marseyindignant:

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Then you won't mind if I... redeem


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I'm on the other end of the outsourcing threat which makes me worried about the availability of entry level :marseysweating:

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You guys are mean :marseysulk:

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what's wrong with being !asians :marseyconfused:

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He's not gonna make it if this light ribbing is fricking making him act like a fricking mayo foid. :marseyconcerned:

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:#marseyitsover:

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I guess you're not very powerful then. :marseysmug3:

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Your only hope is to fricking get into Government IT jobs, but they pay like its 1990 aka under-market and you need to be a fricking US Citizen. You need comptia certs to even get basic b-word IT jobs. Its the fricking equivalent of a fricking high school diploma.

Get on Linkedin. Just do a fricking shit ton of bullshit Linkedin and Coursera certificate courses. Foids in HR love that shit. Get a fricking professional headshot from a fricking Gook who 100% touch you up, no questions asked. Selfies = Into the fricking trashcan.

Honestly, don't even worry about the fricking Jeet IT. Their days are fricking numbered.

Worry about the fricking Viet IT. They are fricking starting to steal offshored Jeet jobs.

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You absolutely do not need CompTIA certs to get a basic IT job what are you smoking.

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He means for US federal government basic IT jobs, I think. IIRC those federal jobs do actually hard-require the comptia certs in most cases. Not sure why.

For any employer /besides/ the government, yeah, probably not necessary. But good luck getting a call back from a private employer right now...

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I've heard the coursera google cert is actually useful because it has the word google in it.

I was wondering about the usefulness of the other "bang out in an afternoon" certs. Might as well do them if they don't harm you :marseynotes:

Should I put the little diploma things I get from Udemy courses on LinkedIn?

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Cisco has a free SkillsForAll CEH course. it's 70 hours but free and very well done according to a buddy.

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Whatever fluffs out your resume if you don't have anything important on it.

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I got several of those. I use them even though I had to contact their tech support three times cuz they had bugs in them and generally I learned very little.


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physical repair shop

Enjoy minimum wage forever

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I wouldn't stay there :marseycry: I just need an in

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There's no progression in physical repair. It doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't get you a job in any related industry or anything. You might eventually top out as a salaried retail manager, basically.

Anyone who does well paying board level repairs is an engineer.

If you know networking and can do physical work installing IP cams pays well, especially since knowing how to subnet puts you easily in the top percentile. Otherwise you need to become a codecel

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Well in terms of longterm non minimal wage work I was thinking about cybersecurity or networking. Course I don't know where to begin beyond the Tier 2 certs that make up the other points of the "comptia trio"

I've heard comptia networking plus a CCNA will actually help you out.

But I was wondering if I could get my foot in the door more immediately :marseyconcerned:

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If you don't know code what on God's green earth are you going to be doing in cybersecurity?

Networking pays the bills. Lots of work in VOIP/Data/Door Entry/etc. A lot of the work is running cable and other menial shit and it's unlikely you'll be doing anything like setting up server farms, but it's real work and pays fairly well. See if anyone is hiring, likely you'll only need a car and a willingness to work on a ladder

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Networking is a good pathway listen to that other guy's advice. Don't get stuck at a mall repairing phones and helping boomers with their laptops unless it's a part time job for high school or college

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I don't think that is really any kind of in, in fact it might lock you in as only being capable of doing stuff at that level for a long time

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Ball soldering thoughbeit

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No one is paying good money for consumer product repair, unless you own the shop

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i remember when i got my comptia a+

i sent out a ton of applications, got a single interview, and they never called back after the interview

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What'd you do next?

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killed myself

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Did you get a tier 2 comptia cert or did you try something else entirely?

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Just go pick up Cloud or Cybersecurity cert.

Companies always need one of those nerds to stay at the fricking office at godawful hours just in case something bad happens.

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CompTIA kind of sucks, most people don't care about it. I guess it's a good resume filler.

Everyone wants to go into security

Avoid help desk

Try to do server shit

Network and phones are kind of easy and pay well but pulling cable sucks.

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I wish I'd gotten into some sort of earth science, and I've been gradually coordinating my suicide. I don't think this has bearing on your question, but I know one of the days I look back on as where I could have done things differently was where you are now.

But, if you wanna know, help desk and what you're talking about are elevated wagie jobs, so approach with that mindset. Not lazily like a BIPOC, I mean more relaxed as in worrying less about your certs as much as you need to focus on giving a good interview. You may be surprised at what r-slurs you are competing against in tier 1. A lot of the time it has entirely untechy people who were employed in other departments who got familiar with the organization's systems on the user-side.

You'll want to find somewhere with a real enterprise environment - not like geek squad or mall fix it, a big company or org (government and schools/universities can be great l) where you can interact with all the other tech teams and different systems. If they mention internal advancement in the interview or anything like a mentorship program, that's a green flag.

Finding a hands on technical support job will dig you into more experience than help desk, because you're less likely to just be stuck changing passwords and never getting to interact with anyone. Work from home is a scam for the unambitious. You may have to settle on help desk, and you may have to settle on WeFix apple store, but focus on that direction - getting into that enterprise environment and working with other teams is key.

Any certs are good to have as long as you give a good interview, can answer basic tech questions, can demonstrate being able to explain things, and focus on your ability to learn and current continuing education. "I'm finishing pluralsight/udemy/LinkedIn learning course about this blah blah." Most tier 1 positions, the manager cares about hiring someone who will show up to work and isn't a turbo sperg rather than the best of the best of the best tech guy (hence my wagie analogy). They also want a great balance of letting them know you are willing to ask questions BUT WON'T need to be micromanaged. Make sure to highlight your willingness to ask questions (cause tier 1 IT r-slurs tend to be know it alls who frick shit up they should have just asked about) but that you're very independent (because managers are terrified of someone asking too many questions.) That's a super gay balance and is HR prancing bullshit, but it's important/useful. You'll probably never get the balance right for each individual interviewer, so don't stress too much about it, but, still very useful.

This may sound dumb, but Microsoft 365 knowledge is really useful in tier 1, and certs are good. If you can actually highlight you're familiar with advanced features of Outlook, Excel, Word, etc. it looks great despite for some reason I see r-slurs pooping on it "oh like duh, I can answer emails" same cute twinks who does not know how to answer emails.

That's one set of advice that assumes you are kind of mediocre. If you were otherwise, I would assume you wouldn't be asking here. If you're really awesome you should use your prowess and connections to get a really good tier 1 job at some fancy company or org.

There's also the weird balance of how shitty and business/org can be can be an advantage, because they will force you/let you touch stuff you shouldn't be because they are r-slurred or desperate. This can end up really really good for your career if you can walk out of your first job having got to do some projects revising their whole printing system into a server or something because you had the idea, your boss said frick it let him do it, and your shitty first time implementation worked better than anything they had. I met some guy who got stuck in this awful shit internship he got basically as being picked last. That cute twink convinced this small private school to switch to Linux desktops and basically ran their IT. He went through his own heck making mistakes and setting it up, but he got it done, and got applied experience, not quality necessarily, but applied is really good. Employers drooled over this and he got a real fricking nice sys admin job afterwards, right out of his internship-short employment when he was 2 steps away from getting a better internship where he would have been changing passwords or disassembling old computers because his competent managers would have laughed at him for wanting to switch their functioning environment to Linux desktops. I know a few stories like that. You don't have to go as far as my examples, of course. But it can suck. It can suck to have a shitty boss at a shitty company that is having you do things you don't know how to do shittily and picking up bad habits. It can suck real bad and not be worth it, especially if you don't summon that go-getter wiz that wasn't there enough to get you into some primo position elsewhere. MSP's are the ultimate tier 1 meat grinder for this, be wary of them.

Or join the military. Probably a good choice if you can.

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I was actually racist and homophobic in that screed. Get more sentient. Snappy laps you every hour bro.

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Good stuff

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And also, night shift and 2nd shift are as much of a trap as work from home. It's a good way to get into a company to start, but do not stay there. Unless the place has a serious 24 hour team (even then, don't trust night shift) you will end up and excluded afterthought, with an experience ceiling. When I mention ambition, I don't mean hustle culture ambition, I mean not being left behind. If you want sit at tier 1 forever that's cool, but you probably want to make some decent money in another position.

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You should use LinkedIn. It's very useful. The market is terrible right now and I'm unable to get back in at entry level.

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I was gonna say, from what I've heard and observed myself the market for these types of roles is apocalyptic at the moment. Not sure if it's related to the higher level tech market correction or just the "best economy in the history of economies, maybe ever" being a bit exaggerated in the lead-up to the election.

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Buy a few 20$ Dell optiplexes look into cyber patriots test images they are some of the most comprehensive IT practice systems ever. Full scenarios with Profesionally destroyed systems that you're tasked with fixing along with a real time answer checker

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Haven't heard of them before

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The problem with certifications is that they don't move the needle where it matters:

  • if resumes are aggressively screened, it's not as good as a real degree, or even 1 year of experience

  • if the interviewer is fishing for competence, 2 questions will tell him more than the cert

You're basically paying for the illusion of the tested material being somehow universal to the industry but that's not really true anymore. They can signal that you're capable of learning but mostly they mark you as a rube if the cert wasn't required for your role.

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I didn't even realize the Comptia A+ exam was still a thing :marseyclueless:

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What interview questions are common for an entry level support position?

I'm trying to narrow down what to actually practice.

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Probably just stuff related to the job you'll be doing, which you may or may not know. Convince them that you'll spend an appropriate amount of time trying to find the answer yourself and then you'll politely bug your superiors

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Gets fired for stealing expired meat from a customer's fridge on a home visit.

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@lain Sorry to single you out but I remember you said you worked retail before getting into IT?

Do you have any resume tips to share like how to make wagie jobs seem like they gave you relevant IT skills? :marseyshy:

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I got my gig through networking.

Networking is your biggest boon to any of these jobs, you just need someone behind the scenes to be able to push the scales in your favor and bypass any of the dumb HR software. And you're correct that you're really just looking for an "in", once you have IT experience on your resume you're golden.

If you do have a homelab of sorts that's legitimately great too. Be able to talk about what you did though, if you're going through this path you do have to have a passion for technology.

You're kind of looking for a gig at a rough time though, Jr. IT roles are somewhat scarce rn - that will change though. There's a frickload of doomers on this forum in particular but they seriously underestimate how many servers were deployed in the last two decades that need TLC in some way or another.

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I'm only a doomer regarding the jeet horde crashing salaries for progressively higher-level roles

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bitcoin fixes this

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Thanks for getting back to me

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Team work, communication, ability too explain foreign concepts too uninformed persons

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It's been so long, I couldn't tell you how to get an entry-level job. But if you're wondering what certs to chase, look up the job ads for the jobs you're aiming for after you break out of the "need experience" loop. A lot of them say straight up what certs are required and "nice to have". If you can get your entry-level job to pay for them, that's an added bonus. And start networking. Not like the jeets do, just randomly adding people on LinkedIn "sar please add I am veddy interested in technoology sar", but actually connecting with people. That can mean joining some local tech group, or finding friends-of-friends/family who are in the industry, or even joining online projects where you're not just a random git commit for a bugfix. Be cool to your coworkers. Literally every jump forward I made in my career and every job that I was happy to get and sad to leave was thanks to a friend who put in a good word for me, and every job that has made me fricking miserable was from a LinkedIn or Indeed or whatever else posting. People will remember if you're cool to them and reasonably competent and will have your back because of it.

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Thanks for the write up

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not reading your substack

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Like you probably know by now, this shit's all made up. Go get an interview.

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How do people feel about comptia certifications anyway?

They're bullshit but certain ones like security+ are a requirement for certain clearance jobs.

With a basic A+ and nothing else on your resume you're qualified to work at geek squad.

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CCNA

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Just go get a degree. Youll reach a ceiling pretty quickly without one where 95% of your applications will just get automatically filtered by the hr roasties when you try to climb anywhere above help desk.

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I don't know how the hiring landscape is anymore for IT. I've been out of the game for a while, but the A+ certainly doesn't hurt. I had the A+ to help me get a foot in the door. I skipped the tech support step and went to 2nd tier desktop admin work. I highly suggest it if you can get in. You learn some really great technical troubleshooting skills and can get your hands on network equipment to get some experience. I really liked that job.

Cheers and good luck! Good on you for being ambitious.


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Thanks :marseyderpthumbsup:

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Hey, I saw that you just joined rdrama and a group of people who hate me are trying to smear my name by calling me a date male feminist. I just wanted to let you know that it's not true. If you want all the receipts proving it they're right here.

The TL;DR is that I hooked up with one of the hot girls on rdrama, and since I was twice her age, a lot of the guys here who wanted to bang her got jealous and assumed that the only way I could have managed that was by raping her, even though she herself said both before and afterwards that it was all completely consensual. So now that you're the new hot girl on rdrama, I guess they think that I'm going to somehow seduce you into flying all the way across the country (or some crazy shit like that) to hook up with me and they're trying to talk shit about me to make sure that doesnt happen. I don't understand it either, but I just wanted to let you know that I'm a nice guy and I hope you'll look at the evidence and make up your own mind instead of listening to all the jealous haters.

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Just out of curiosity, how did you find this place?

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