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Complex Systems Won't Survive the Competence Crisis

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>none of the ideas were original or generated from my own intellect.

It's not a code monkey's job to come up with anything novel. You're a builder, not an inventer.

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I'm just following the code monkey ethos of "publish now, polish whenever".

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ur just fuggin dumb

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  • Fresh_Start : Chatgpt took the blame from 3rd world developers for inefficient code.

lol, once he actually has to maintain his code long term it's gunna backfire.

in long run this is just creating more work ensuring job security for quite some time.

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Just don't delete the gpt conversation you used to make it. I've been using ChatGPT for ghetto version control and I'm never going back. It's just me copying and pasting ChatGPT pasta until it works


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ChatGPT for ghetto version control

!codecels :marseymindblown:

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I actually tried this when chatgpt first came out, I had it create a simple crud web service and then refactored it a few times.

The original chatgpt could remember multiple files and refactor across the whole project when made changes.

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Now compared to a year ago is night and day. The newest preview version is extra good at coding and even makes suggestions on things you may be overlooking. If you are working on something and start to have a problem, it will remember where you were before you had the problem so after the problem is solved, it knows you are going to go back and keep working on that code. It knows how I like to make functions and variables names. It knows what lines of code I'm going to want commented. It's actually crazy how it will pick up on idiosyncrasies in my coding and try to apply them for me


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i'm sure that won't blow up in your face spectacularly

:#marseyfingergoodjob:

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That's when you open up a new conversation, tell ChatGPT some moron in your team wrote this code, you have no idea what it's supposed to do or why it doesn't work and it fixes it. then you smugly go back to your original conversation to let ChatGPT know you figured it out on your own ( then copy and paste the solution bc that's how version control works)


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Can confirm it's what I use to configure pipelines and open shift bullshit until it works

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They pivot to "product manager". They'll be fine

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true... with the only caveat that pm salary caps out quite a bit lower than eng salary.

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There is a very popular product owner/manager ChatGPT plugin, actually. Product managers do so little and require such little knowledge and intellect that chatGPT can do it for them.

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  • Fresh_Start : Literally me but the imposter syndrome consumed me.

This guy is smart enough to fake it until he makes it. He's learning on the job, which isn't ideal for whoever hired him, but he's going to be fine after while. I doubt he's as bad at coding as he's making it sound in his post, he's probably just having a case of impostor syndrome from relying on AI as a crutch too much. After he meets enough :marseytunaktunak: in the field he'll feel better.

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Pretty soon there's going to be "ghosts in the shell", NPCs that just plug things into generative AI and don't produce a single output of their own thought, just proofreading what was generated.

White collar jobs will be filled with these subhumans and literal blade runners will have to test them to filter out their leeching.

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Don't talk about project managers like that. Its offensive to women.

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I want you to write a three paragraph summary about what your job actually is where you replace all proper nouns with the N-word

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17282522963860228.webp

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Yeah that's the scary part. Especially because LLMs can't produce new information, so if everyone is just using GPT to produce output, it completely kills innovation in their field.

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Most new information is just a combination of existing ideas.

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OK sure, but when LLMs propose "new ideas" they're mashing shit together because it appeared in many existing texts and they have no way of verifying whether the new ideas are correct or not because they're not really intelligent and can't prove concepts. People in the AI field have already come up with a term, hallucination, for when LLMs make untrue assumptions based on probability, so if you asked one of them to prove something, it might confidently state that it knows something is true because the volume of text its been fed leads it to believe that it's probably right.

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That's the same with code it produces, once you get past the toy examples it's suggesting what it thinks you want by combining ideas New ideas are often built on combining a few very simple concepts as well, like look how many systems use a Log + something to get the behavior they want.

It's not a stretch to be able to prompt one into creating something new that works if you had the right base knowledge to correct smaller errors.

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Yeah, I don't really trust chatGPT'd code since you always have to do a double pass over it, since the AI'll gloss over edge cases that're completely obvious to anyone with an above room temperature IQ.

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Pretty soon there's going to be "ghosts in the shell", NPCs that just plug things into generative AI and don't produce a single output of their own thought, just proofreading what was generated.

Literally just wrote a firefox addon like this. All I had to do was edit the permissions

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Meh, it's better than the r-slurs that are too stupid to even google or get anything done at all

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Neither of these groups should be hired and if you do hire them they should be fired quickly.

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meh, rewriting a badly written system can be heck of a lost more risky and costly than developing a new system.

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The badly written system still makes money though. The trick is to do it in baby steps and finish before the tech is nearly obsolete

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  • Fresh_Start : Wrong. Power plants and water treatment plants keep getting further automated.

The competence crisis isn't going to hurt the bullshit code sector because it's already 90% bullshit code thanks to the JS eco system of libraries and dependencies.

The crisis is going to hit places where 50-60 year old white men mattered: in our power plants, our water treatment plants.

Once they're gone and replaced with r-slur jeets and Zoomers start the clock on the fall

Fresh_Start : Wrong. Power plants and water treatment plants keep getting further automated.

You expect r-slurs to know how to maintain those automated systems? The most powerful law is when you make something idiot proof, a bigger idiot is going to come along and break it.

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The competency crisis is going to be a security nightmare for companies, breaches are already common and people often don't care, it's only getting worse.

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It already is where I work. The sexy Indian dudes put secrets in github and remove security because they don't know how to get anything to work. They create API tokens with full access to our cloud and secrets manager accounts. Its crazy how low IQ and incapable of critical thought they are.

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I don't think it's a low IQ thing though i'm not ruling that out - it's that your company elected to use the cheapest labor available for a job and that means they simply don't give a shit what happens to you. Same thing happens when you cheap out on roofers.

Do not fix their mistakes if they don't buttfrick you too hard. Feel like some of this nonsense is being propped up by competent people going behind them and fixing their bullshit so managament refuses to see the problem.

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I don't think its because they don't give a shit. They seem unable to learn or solve their own problems.

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  • Fresh_Start : The world is running out of woodcutters we might all freeze to death during winter one day.

I was watching an Internet Of Bugs video recently where he was talking about how AI isn't going to be a threat to jobs because it's better than a competent human dev, it's a threat because nobody cares. As long as it works to some minimal standard and you can ship it, that's all that'll matter until things get bad enough that there's some crisis and by then the people responsible will have made their money and moved on. It may not even be more than a blip on the company's stock price.

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First sign of wisdom is understanding that you're r-slurred. :marseypipe:

They're going to be fine.

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Massive tech layoffs and reduction in wages, then wonders why with this type of grifting.

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DEI shit is just the tip of the competency crisis, the real problem has always been the myriad of ways we've incentivized short term thinking and disincentivized learning, skill development, and simply giving a shit on such a large scale. This guy's story is going to become increasingly common and it has nothing to do with how many underqualified blacks are being hired (though that's certainly not helping things.)

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They're not blacks, though, they're 'jeets.

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If it works, it works

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Before ChatGPT programmers were just copying shit from stackoverflow anyway.

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>Complex Systems Won't Survive the Competence Crisis

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