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i mean if u haven't realized by ur 2nd job that all corpo code is categorically produced to the standards of a heaping dungpile by industrious idiots, u probably should be forcibly barred from coding
the world would actually be a much better place if most !codecels weren't allowed to code.
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Nah its a quality vs quantity issue.
Mass producing barely tolerable code 12 hours a day everyday provides far more income than producing longer term well maintained code. So corpos push for bare minimum quality threshold code.
It's also why back of the house is shit compared to front of the house. Cut all costs. minimize quality to survivable levels wherever possible because it saves money.
The problem with most corpo culture is that it is a race to raise the minimum quality standards rather than a race to make the best quality product.
At least that's my general understanding of it.
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This neighbor was doing jabbascript tutorials a month ago
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yes and?
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What?
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u have no fking idea wtf ur talking about,
there is absolutely nothing efficient about an industry wide cancer of producing 3+ orders of magnitude more code than the complexity inherently demands. there is nothing actually cheap about dealing with that, and there is nothing good that comes of it.
we are literally trash canning trillions of dollars a year globally on a system of highly paid "engineers" that by this point... fundamentally limit our potential more than broaden it, to the tune of untold trillions more.
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You are missing the point. I get to produce passable code for a dozen projects and when it shits itself I am long gone by then and it is another team's problem.
Again, this is just my understanding of the issue from an outside perspective. I could be wrong no doubt about it.
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sure the economic incentives are misaligned, but this also goes much deeper than that. not only is the high level end application code we produce utter crap, it's built on toolchains, in environments, that are in of themselves utter dogsht... lacking the consolidation and expressivity to efficiently produce and manage code at anywhere near the base level of complexity we actually understand and mentally manipulate the expressed conceptions.
this whole treading code as an "engineering" problem of applying abstractions to inherently unique situation is fundamentally a monkey brained take. code is instead a math that should trend toward generalized perfection... as all any piece of code does is take in one fixed size number and output another fix sized number.
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patents and copyrighted code though.
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just lawyers being abjectly braindead actually.
computer code fundamentally and inseparably expresses a mathematical function, and therefore shouldn't be even copywritable, let alone patentable.
the way our society goes about developing computational systems is a fricking joke that costs us literally trillions of dollars in both wasted effort and untold more in opportunity cost due to the absurd complexity due to our operating philosophy on code.
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Copyright and patents expire in like 2 decades or something though. So you just get a twenty year delay at worst while allowing the inventor to make money in that time period.
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incentivizing them to invent new expressions of the same fundamental solutions we've been putting out for decades is utterly moronic.
u still have no fking clue wtf ur talking about really.
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In reality it's more complicated than that. Most business code these days involves multiple physical machines that interact with each other, and even each one physical machine is made up of multiple processors communicating. The element of time is important, partly because the machines need to coordinate properly and partly because the business requires certain things to happen at certain times. You also have to think about how your code should handle it when some service that it depends on fails for a span of time. Etc. You could come up with some highly abstract way to model all of this as mapping one fixed-sized number to another fixed-size number, but that would probably conceal more than it illuminates.
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any point at which there is a discrete input and output to a function is not just modeled as, but is fundamentally at the base abstraction computers actually operate on... is literally just inputing one fixed size number to output another fixed sized number. computer don't actually understanding anything other than fixed sized numbers, and they compute "functions," which are just mathematical abstractions that take a number as an input, and maps/outputs a single number in return.
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You can look at it like that, but I don't think it's a very helpful way to think about building business software. Business software is typically made up of multiple services connected together, some of which your company controls and some of which other companies control, and they talk to each other through APIs. This is because of economies of scale. For example, it's generally cheaper and easier to just pay Amazon to store your documents for you than to build your own document storage system. Unless you have a significant level of custom needs like wanting particular optimizations or you need huge scale, it's cheaper and easier to use an off-the-shelf database system than to build your own custom database system. Every part of these complex architectures can conceivably fail for some period of time, and the rest of your system needs to be able to know what to do if that happens. It is theoretically possible to model such complex systems as a function that maps a finite-sized number to another finite-sized number, and indeed some attempts to do this have been made... for example, there have been attempts to create purely mathematical models of computation that include the element of time as a primary element. But they have never really caught on significantly. In practice, it is generally more effective to treat building business software as a craft of figuring out how to put pieces together in a reliable way, not as a purely mathematical model.
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ur an actual moron if u don't. computers literally only operate on high/low voltages that represent 1/0, anything else is just a narrative put on top of that.
like i said at the beginning of this thread: we are as a society utter dogshit at efficiently implementing computational systems, and have created a trashheap many orders of magnitudes more complex that it fundamentall is, that not only flushes trillions of dollars/yr of expensive engineering effort literally down the drain, it limits us in untold trillions more of opportunity cost in how much time is wasted on ungodly stupid informational systems.
i won't have you idiot-splain this away to me as "effective" business. i will just keep calling u an r-slured for failing to really understand just how dogshit all code you've ever produced really is.
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Have you owned the libs yet?
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Youshould join the field of hpc, neurodivergent 3 hour meetings about micro optimization vs readability vs maintainable.
I once looked at our mat mul routine.
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i don't understand all the autism in this field that just generally misses how utter shit we are at coding.
if we were actually good we'd be coding like alan kay's team:
... but instead we get a ton of wasted autism on systems orders of magnitude more complex than they need to be.our entire programming ecosystem as a whole is basically a massive proof autism =/= correctness/efficiency/usefullness
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It's because it's easy to see how adding something solves a new requirement, it's hard to remove things and keep the same functionality.
Most programmers are barely competent too
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u should watch the lecture before trying to double down on defending utter stupidity as
sane.
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Autism is hyper focusedness and solutions to procrastinating laziness.
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not necessarily. sometimes it's focuses reasonably productive. most of it isn't tho
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what does this mean?
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Code go faster, code readable, or does this code need less work if we upgrade compilers/third-party dependencies
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and what do they want of these?
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Imagine talking about this like a bad thing
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Do you use karatsuba or it is just some standard compiler multiplication?
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Strassen's. But there is some presetup code for supercomputers to find the ideal leaf size.
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Having a bad coder on your team is much worse than having a teammate shortage. I've seen people go and frick up code that has nothing to do with their userstory at all.
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Except me, everything I touch runs faster when I'm done
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