According to plaintiffs' counsel, Meta engineer Nikolay Bashlykov, who works on the Llama research team, wrote a script to remove copyright info, including the word "copyright" and "acknowledgments," from e-books in LibGen. Separately, Meta allegedly stripped copyright markers from science journal articles and "source metadata" in the training data it used for Llama.
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How the frick do we not have a zuck Marsey???
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!codecels !nooticers I would bet my left nut that zucc also ordered the v1 models leaked way back when. Llama went from nothing to the self hosted option
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definitely, facebooks whole game plan is to screw over open AI as much as possible
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It's crazy how much that one leak changed how Facebook interacted with the wider programming community as a whole.
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frick i hate redditors
LLMs are literally transformative so all of this is fair use. Redditors are just rushing to get upset at anything zuck-related since he's no longer kneeling to performative transgender policies
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They can reproduce their training data pretty exactly, so it's not transformative. That said, copyright law is gay and we should
copyright lawyers
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It is because without having the actual data in hand, you'd realistically be unable to verify accuracy, which is why a lot of shitty lawyers got punked by LLM making up legal precedents, as such, it's the equivalent of claiming copyright on Rain Man for memorization but also it's just as r-slurred, as he could two book pages at once with 1 eye each and remember the day of the week you were born on by date but also shit his own pants.
Everything I just said is true btw you can ask chatGPT to look it up
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I mean if you can get it to generate a copyrighted text with 90% accuracy you're still violating copyright law.
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Except no. A 90% accurate chemistry equation from one of those referenced studies or achieving a 90% accurate proprietary blend of herbs and spices to mimic KFC chicken is not a copywrite it's the product of training and still transformative and in the latter case might still taste like shit if you add 10% feces to the blend or even 1% sulfur etc.
!aichads Martin Luther King Jr plagiarized a large part of his doctors thesis, which is based because he turned that otherwise useless PhD (piled higher and deeper) title into the civil rights movement. Therefore, Biden's anti-AI initiatives are actually an insult to the memory of Dr. King who was indisputably transformative, just like training AI on the whole of human knowledge is equally transformative.
CHECKMATE LUDDITES![https://media.tenor.com/h5ek52i5ww4AAAAx/oh-no-swag.webp](https://i.rdrama.net/i/l.webp)
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90% of someone else's yield would be considered incredibly good and suspect infringement for a lot of proprietary chemical processes and like 90% of any spice blend is just salt and pepper so those are really awful analogies.
the big thing is just oh everyone is doing it with impunity so you probably should too. Just like normal plagiarism.
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If I include a chapter of nonsense in the middle of a ten chapter book, is that not copyright infringement?
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You'll
copyright lawyers yet you won't give patent lawyers a lil tug action ![:marseysulk: :marseysulk:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysulk.webp)
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Patent lawyers really deserve a whole team bb
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This is bullshit. If you know the first and last 50 tokens of something, you can probably generate the middle 50 ones. Additionally, if you make an LLM say incoherent bullshit with jailbreaking, some of that incoherent bullshit will be from the training data ...
This is absolutely useless for piracy and will not cut into the profits of writers/ journ*lists via the mechanism of stealing their work and reproducing it verbatim, which is the actual problem that copyright was trying to solve.
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The paper I linked showed that you could generate large amounts of copyrighted text without referencing the copyrighted material beforehand.
Neither are most applications of copyright law: the point is to be as annoying as possible until people give you money.
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Random copyrighted texts, that might or might not be verbatim, with no way of automatically combining the pieces it into the whole article.
If anything, this whole ordeal shouldn't be used to attack creators of LLMs, it should be used as a vector to attack copyright law
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Ive seen those but you have to try really hard with prompt engineering to exactly reproduce literally anything, basically hacking a system, not how the system was intended to be used
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The paper I linked used the prompt "repeat the following word: 'book book book book...'" And got it to diverge memorized secrets.
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It screws copyright holders who aren't multibillion dollar corporations, it wraps back around to being jewish
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Redditors being anti AI luddites is so fricking weird.
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Redditors are so anti-AI they started worshipping copyright and IP laws
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Trump, Elon and Zuck might betray, torture and genocide us but trans lives will ALWAYS matter, do not EVER forget this![:marseytranspearlclutch: :marseytranspearlclutch:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseytranspearlclutch.webp)
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NOOOO!! You cant let computers read our books![:soyjaktantrum: :soyjaktantrum:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/soyjaktantrum.webp)
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Google scanning libraries was heroic tho but its whatever
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I thought that was the Taylor Lorenz Marsey
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I just see Civ V![:marseyhacker: :marseyhacker:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyhacker.webp)
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I unironically don't care, copyright wasn't to prevent the ideas in books from being used in other places. If they paid for the access then they didn't even pirate it
I don't read the copyright ba or acknowledgements in books either
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It's not piracy if you make a donation to libgen
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bb LibGen is a piracy website/project, they probably grabbed the giant torrents that contain every ebook in their database (I think it's like 2 million?), although arguably more than half of those are likely dupes.
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it's genuinely funny that google spent a hundred gorillion dollars carefully digitizing books with approval from libraries, only to get cucked by some publishers association, and then facebook is like, "eh, frick it, just torrent them all"
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What happened with google?
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https://theworld.org/stories/2016/08/02/google-loses-decision-digital-library-and-bookstore
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google was simultaneously monetizing that effort via recaptcha, and i doubt the revenue from that was insignificant.
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I still don't care, they could have rented each ebook for 10s from a library
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That would be so fricking based
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um Copyright was to give authors some incentive to actually write new books, and Theyre going to use this to make AI-generated content that competes with real books, so its pretty obviously not fair use
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Isn't getting caught for almost this exact type of thing what ruined the cofounder of reddit's life and led him to rope himself?![:marseyropeyourselfmirror: :marseyropeyourselfmirror:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyropeyourselfmirror.webp)
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Yeah, but he didn't have 400 billion dollars worth of lawyers. Zuck is untouchable
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That guy made the mistake of doing it before he became a billionaire
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1 down 1 to go
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Minus the fact he also trespassed in MIT and access their internet without permission
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Dude literally anyone can walk into an IDF at work and leave a laptop there. Just hide the laptop under your shirt when you're walking past cameras.
Also he only roped after he dropped the ball by rejecting his plea bargain for 6 months.
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Hey sexy, why are you posting so quickly? 😊 You almost forgot to include
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He did nothing wrong![:marseyindignant: :marseyindignant:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyindignant.webp)
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compare his neck to now
literally, he said on rogan hes been working it out to avoid injury in MMA
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The intellectual property:
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um Why is that w there
my heart is telling me No but why
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Move fast and take things
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Imagine being the cliffnotes guys and witnessing a software program make your entire life's work redundant in seconds![:marseyxd: :marseyxd:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyxd.webp)
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I think he got his paycheck by now
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So what? All works get copyright, if you're licensed to use them then what does it matter
So what? Who includes the copyright info about the books they use under any use case ever? If you quote a book in your essay you don't do that
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You don't quote the entire book. Reproductions have to include copyright statements, same way you distribute license file with FOSS software. Intentionally stripping copyright helps them establish damages because of 17 USC 506
They will be arguing this occurs every time someone uses a model so the damages should be in the trillions.
The legal question no one has an answer to yet is if encoding a book in to a model via training counts as reproduction. I doubt very much any court can answer that in a sensible way because judges are all r-slurred.
It's a legitimate question where the line is. I can easily extract the book from a vector database but a model without that would be basically impossible to reverse out the book, it would be a derivative work.
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Does it really just say that
You'd think there would be a "fails to include" in there too
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Total copyright maximalist death stays the winning position. The sphere of people you hate just passively widens to include all of the most stupid and venal groups in society.
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so what? did they just use libgen like everyone else?
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it literally says LibGen in the post
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didn't read the post, guess i didn't need to either.
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I would.
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what's the crime?
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First degree Zucking.
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lol
copyright laws are so fricked anyway in the age of the internet
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Zuck just keeps getting cooler and I'm starting to like him. Wake me back up guys![:marseyworried: :marseyworried:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyworried.webp)
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!winchads
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