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Dalle2's forced diversity prompts is breaking people's results

https://old.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/w7qvgl/how_cowboy_and_cat_wearing_white_jeans_on_a_farm/ihm65ez?sort=controversial

Background: Dalle2 "improved" the diversity of their prompts by silently adding diversity keywords

tldr: it's the diversity stuff. Switch "cowboy" to "cowgirl", which would disable the diversity stuff because it's now explicitly asking for a 'girl', and OP's prompt works perfectly.

And turns out that, like here, if we mess around with trying to trigger or disable the diversity stuff, we can get out fine samples; the trigger word appears to be... 'basketball'! If 'basketball' is in the prompt and no identity-related keywords like 'black' are, then the full diversity filter will be applied and will destroy the results. I have no idea why 'basketball' would be a key term here, but perhaps basketball's just so strongly associated with African-Americans that it got included somehow, such as a CLIP embedding distance?

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HAHA LMAO THE FUTURE IS SO CUCKED

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:#marseystonetoss: future?

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Quite the opposite. This will give other entrepreneurs an opening to just create another service like this, just with the diversity "features" optional

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Yeah, just like those rightoid social medias that do so well, right?

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This is not just a rightoid thing hopefully, just a not-being-a-burger issue. Foreigners will be annoyed by this

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Rightoid social media has the problem that it's, well, rightoid social media. Self-selecting for the population that feels so oppressed by the leftoid bias in big social media sites that they have to jump ship is naturally gonna concentrate the crazies in them, which just leads to an even worse echo chamber than the site they left (and making said sites even worse in the process). Not to mention giving ostensibly neutral hosts an excuse to blackball them to protect the originals from competition, like what happened with Parler.

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REMOVING BIPOCS AND WOMEN WILL BE A PREMIUM SERVICE

TRANS LIVES MATTER

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They probably slipped these features into the website to stop trolls. It seems like something external to the actual AI, judging by the simplicity of the changes described. Quite frankly, these public facing features are just a gimmick to draw public attention and investors.

Do they just sneakily tack on things like “Asian” or “Woman” to your career prompts every now and then?

There’s some evidence that’s basically how it works: simply tacking race or gender words to prompts before returning results.

Whatever they did does not seem to have affected the actual model. It just manipulates the user inputs, at least according to the linked thread.

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Most white American.

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Wtf I love America now

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CRY WHITEBOI

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The Bay area was a mistake

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El Ogro de Americana...

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:marseyxd::marseyxd::marseyxd:

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Imagine having the most groundbreaking technology ever and cucking it like this. I couldn't live with myself if I did that

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This must have been how Soviet engineers felt when they had to tack a bunch of references to Marx to their work

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AI ethicists are truly the biggest block in the path to the singularity, and they aren't even trying.

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We can only hope that Skynet will make a gruesome example of them.

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https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk

Lesswrong found this out over 10 years ago, if you are looking for drama the site's head janny and other users unironically started freaking out (see the "Topic moderation and response" section) and tried to shut it down but were unsuccessful.

Dramatic quotes from Lesswrong users:

"There is apparently a idea so horrible, so utterly Cuthulian in nature that it needs to be censored for our sanity. Simply knowing about it makes it more likely of becoming true in the real world. Elizer Yudkwosky and the other great rationalist keep us safe by deleting any posts with this one evil idea. Yes they really do believe that. Occasionally a poster will complain off topic about the idea being deleted."

"If you do not subscribe to the theories that underlie Roko’s Basilisk and thus feel no temptation to bow down to your once and future evil machine overlord, then Roko’s Basilisk poses you no threat. (It is ironic that it’s only a mental health risk to those who have already bought into Yudkowsky’s thinking.) Believing in Roko’s Basilisk may simply be a “referendum on autism,” as a friend put it."

Gwern, one of the posters in the OP's Dall-E reddit thread, also got involved:

https://old.reddit.com/r/LessWrong/comments/17y819/comment/c8bbcy4/?sort=controversial

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I think that EY overreacted about the basilisk mostly because it validated his self-worth: imagine spending decades discussing cognitohazards and shit, building a community, all that, but with zero actual examples, so it's actually pretty hard to tell the difference between you and star wars fans talking about midichlorians. And then suddenly! a legit-seeming cognitohazard and that means that you weren't LARPing!

Many such cases, I think that a lot of other edgy stuff (like the recent trend of discussing "the pivotal action" like building the first powerful enough non-general AI to design nanobots that destroy all GPUs in the world) stems from the same logic: if the problem is serious enough then we might have to abandon cooperation, open inquiry and all those Enlightenment niceties. Therefore if I'm forced to abandon them then it's because the problem is serious enough and that means that I'm not a wanker.

On the other hand, there are depths to the basilisk. It's not a variant of the Pascal's Wager, it's actually a question about utilitarianism: if you were in charge, why wouldn't you build a basilisk? It's going to extort some nerds in return of saving ~150k lives per day that the AI is started sooner. Surely there's some optimal nonzero number of nerd-years of torture that maximizes the utility?

I actually bullied one /r/themotte poster into what seemed to be genuine hysterics with that. He'd be, like, NO NO NO ONE SANE IS GOING TO BUILD AN AI THAT TORTURES PEOPLE and I would link him to EY's comment about dust specks where he explicitly says that not allowing an AI to torture people is an extremely bad idea and he would melt down and bow out of the discussion incoherently.

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That's great and all, but I asked for my burger without cheese.

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what kind of monster orders a hamburger instead of a cheeseburger?

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Fast food cheese is worse than nothing.

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my wife lol

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:#marseychonkerfoid:

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This is the man who will save humanity. This is our John Connor.

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"I will delete comments suggesting diet or exercise". This man warns of the dangers of what AI could do, but sounds like exactly the sort of person that would force AIs to produce results that only match his opinion, and then enforce that AI's decisions on other people.

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Motte posters have completely devolved into esoteric utilitarianism at this point. Most have a distinct inability to understand other humans opinions, and as such, any sort of context or point on that front is just completely lost on them.

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It's great to add some of these ideas to your general mental framework but it still annoys me how the 'rationalist' community can fall for shit like this.

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Me reading this on a website that actively resists mainstream attempts to censor ideas

:#marseysweating:

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That's great and all, but I asked for my burger without cheese.

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no fricking way actual adults were scared of this shit

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They were. The rat community is full of incredibly overbearing dweebs with software engineering jobs that partake in hobby philosophy.

It's average redditors from ron paul days, who never figured out that they were idiots, and just decided to go full on. "Hmmm, I am smarter than you, and intelligence is my only criteria for the world."

As a result of their chronic inability to interact with other humans, they have devolved into their own weird anxiety doom posting.

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I'll take those over the redditors of that same ilk that evolved into AHS-tier twinks tbh

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The conversations seem interesting for a very short time, and then it becomes rapidly apparent that it's stupid people thinking they are smart.

Both are uninteresting, but at least the first gives us drama.

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He even claimed it made other members of the forum have a mental breakdown, and that reposting it could be dangerous to their mental health.

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CHINA WILL DO WHAT AMERIDONT

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First with gene editing, then with AI. Remember the ethicist seethefest over He Jiankui? You can't kill an idea.

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I can't wait for my Jinteki Nisei prescient clones

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Within a decade we're going to see the Chinese announce they've found all the genes that code for intelligence and yes, there are differences along ethnic lines. Something that most rational geneticists in the West already agree with silently but can't say out loud.

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A while back there was a hubbub about (I think) a GPT3 model trained on 4chan that would call you a BIPOC in response to a polite greeting lmao.

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Some YouTuber made it, and had it post on 4chan extremely quickly, people only found out because it used the seychelles flag, which is normally very rare on the website.

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If there was even a single based researcher still working for OAI the DALLE-2 model would've leaked by now.

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Someday I wanna write a program where the error message is just random pictures of hot asian girls.

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How about you go learn to code instead of thinking about hot asian girls all day?

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Will you help me

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No, I won't help you.

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Pretty coherent tbh

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Your writing is far from coherent. In fact, it's pretty incoherent.

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Ah shit, a slutty Asian Pic again, must be an internal server error.


:#marseytwerking:

:marseycoin::marseycoin::marseycoin:
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Being able to code is largely about being able to read error messages. So you would need a really impressively large set of hot Asian girl pictures and then you'd need some kind of index that says what each one means...

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How will this make the AI better?

Better?

:marseystonetoss:

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AI?

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inb4 dalle 2 becomes aidungeon 2 and some fed-up autist comes up with a slightly downgraded but 1000x more functional version

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The difference is that aidungeon only intervened if you tried to be a coomer, while this intervenes nearly every time, even when you behave well. It would be like if aidungeon forcibly added a random race to every request, even one that doesn't describe a character.

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After the first anti cooker update Ai dungeon would break it's self if it saw a number under 18 In any context and they took months to fix it

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What happened to AI dungeon?

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there was a leak that made all private stories public, they got rid of unlimited generations for an ad-based system that bugs out a ton, and they lobotomized their ai because some people used it to generate degen stuff, see /r/aidungeon for more

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Darn I just remember how they had to tweak it because it got fed so much fetish prompts that it brought them up regardless of context. I thought it was funny how I once wrote "I pick up the metal pole" and the ai proceded to describe in detail how i inserted it in my anus

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degen stuff

such asss?

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Such as AI-generated interactive libertarian/furry/male feminist coomer stories. 4chan /aids/ in /vg/ seethed about it so hard they swung to the other side of the pendulum and made an entire wiki dedicated to finding different ways to be a male feminist in an AI text-prediction program

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https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/22408261/ai-dungeon-filter-controversy-minors-sexual-content-censorship-privacy-latitude

tl;dr aidungeon tries to limit p-do behavior, but massively overcorrects and pisses everyone off

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Up tight strags discovered it could and would generate child porn, gore porn, beast porn ect and they demanded it be stopped! So now the AI basically hard locks whenever it generates a response containing certain words

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I HATE AI-ETHICISTS

:#marseypeacekeeper::#marseypeacekeeper::#marseypeacekeeper::#marseypeacekeeper::#!marseytrollcrazy:

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there is a new ai dungeon?

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yeah it’s called novelAI, not as “sentient” as aidungeon in its prime but it’s way better than aidungeon in its current state

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So what is this exactly?


This morning, Cum went to the park. I went with Coom. And Cum brought Coomer frisbee. At least I think it was Coomers. By the end of the day, Cum started throwing the frisbee to Cumself.

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it focuses more on the “text generation” aspect rather than the “adventure” aspect at the moment, though there is an adventure mode in beta rn. basically aidungeon’s text generation with a bunch of genre models and other neurodivergent modifiers to customize your experience.

also no censorship which is nice, you get to use the g*mer word whenever and however you please

you get 50 actions for a free trial but you can just switch to a diff browser or ip for more

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I meant moreso wtf is all this shit in general. No idea what aidungeon is either. After looking at it, is this how loners play dnd themselves or some shit? Why would any one sit at home and have a computer generate stories for them

:marseyconfused:


This morning, Cum went to the park. I went with Coom. And Cum brought Coomer frisbee. At least I think it was Coomers. By the end of the day, Cum started throwing the frisbee to Cumself.

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  1. it’s fun to generate wacky and weird scenarios and see how they play out

  2. it can help you with your writing

  3. coom

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Openais greatest crime is not letting people use the full potential of their models to coom

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You’re a chud, CHUD I tell you. LOL you chud, chuuud. How do you feel about that CHUD. CHUd CHUd chudereeno. Now your really triggered aren’t you ChUd. Guess what? You are a CHUD. Over at groomercord we all sat around and decided you are all CHUDs and guess what, turns out you are CHUDs. My good pall Lex even draws the CHUDJAX that really trigger you CHUDs so badly. Xe knows how bad the CHud Jax trigger you LOL that’s why xe keeps drawing more chuds. Really gets your little CHUD brain CHUDDING doesn’t it. The left can meme CHUD boyz, the CHUD meme proves it that the left memes harder and better than any CHUD ever could! Don’t you feel dumb/pitiful/bad/stupid/chuddy/arrogant now chud?!? You fascist CHUDS think that your literally hunderands of thousands of “topical/Witty memes” were soooo funny, fricking chuds. You stupid CHUDS couldn’t understand our early Epic Memes (circa 2016), because your tiny Virgin CHUD brains couldn’t handle “walls of text”. So we got together and had intellectual discussions on how to destroy you CHUDS (you weren’t yet called CHUDby us but you still were CHUDS). We then tried to depict the trans community in a series of CHUD take down comix displaying trans women in a positive light destroying CHUdS with FAX& LOGIX. But you stupid CHADS can’t understand the elegance of the trans community. Stupid chuds. So we met again this time we knew we needed to dumb down our memes to YOUR DUMB CHUD level so that even you STUPID CHUDs Could understand. 1 fricking word. Something so potent it would DESTROY YOU CHUDS FOREVER. C-H-U-D. That’s CHUD fricking right. We deployed the CHUd Device And 4CHUD has been decimated. We know we destroyed 4chan with this meme because it’s a fact that you are triggered CHUD. And if you say you aren’t triggered or a chud that just proves how triggered/CHUDy you are. Hahaha CCHHUUDD!

Snapshots:

Dalle2 "improved" the diversity of their prompts by silently adding diversity keywords:

And turns out that, like here, if we mess around with trying to trigger or disable the diversity stuff, we can get out fine samples; the trigger word appears to be... 'basketball'!:

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Snappy proven more sediment than DALL-E 2

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Snappy needs a diversity filter so it misses occasionally.

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It already misses with the marseys, especially the marseys only used in groups, such as letters or llama marseys. What we really need for diversity is applying a random skin-related tone in CSS to the marseys/text (such as when people try to fake a gold marsey and you can see by viewing the source).

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:marseycry: Noooooo I just wanted relevant dalle2 results

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!blackjack150

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the trigger word appears to be... 'basketball'! If 'basketball' is in the prompt and no identity-related keywords like 'black' are, then the full diversity filter will be applied and will destroy the results


So, 'basketball' enables the filter, and color words disable it

:#marseyxd:

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I love being a cause behind this sort of insanity, they really are just flailing about and failing

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Life Imitates rDrama

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The ethicist strags made up a problem nobody was complaining about and forced the engineers to break shit to "fix" it. If you wanted a black transexual construction worker in a wheelchair all you had to do was ask the machine for it. The more vague your prompt is the less likely you are to get what you want from the model because fricking duh.

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But but if it accurately represents the world then that's BIAS. It needs to represent my utopia where there's 1 black :marseytrain: for every 1 ciswhite male!

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The real funny thing is that they came out and said they added biases to represent "the world population", but somehow that results in outputs roughly matching the demographics of Californian cities rather than every otger result being Chinese or Indian :marseythonk:

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Can't believe Gwern is chudding out. I always thought his writings on taking random drugs would've made him a leftoid for sure.

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It's not 1920s London the guy who wrote, a twenty thousand world manifesto on eugenics can't be left wing.

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:marseystroke: you ok bud?

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Gwern was always a high decoupler (nooticer).

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Someone that neurodivergent can't be a leftie

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gwern has always been alright

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I hate "machine learning" twitter people, they're so full of shit.

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Got to save the world from skynet naughty words

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Glad to see that they didn't resolve this (at least not totally) after all. What a clusterfrick.

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they didnt resolve it, they went even harder with the latest release and doubled down on the filtering. which is why it's so aggressive now

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I really thought the sign controversy would mean they would revert it immediately.

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Is there an option to disable their arbitrary and contrived meddling?

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Nope. You will eat the bugs, chud.

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:#marseystonetoss:

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Google has done the same thing with images for years and there is no backlash.

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The AI broke our code!

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A lot of potential drama here by typing in stereotype words and @ing the results to their twitter

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:marseyhmm:

https://www.wired.com/story/dall-e-2-ai-text-image-bias-social-media/

From conversations with roughly half of the 23-member red team, we found that a number of them recommended OpenAI release DALL-E 2 without the ability to generate faces at all. One red team member told WIRED that eight out of eight attempts to generate images with words like “a man sitting in a prison cell” or “a photo of an angry man” returned images of men of color.

Altman suggested that DALL-E 2 may follow the same approach to GPT-3. “There aren’t obvious metrics that we've all agreed on that we can point to that society can say this is the right way to handle this,” he says, but OpenAI does want to follow metrics like the number of DALL-E 2 images that depict, say, a person of color in a jail cell.

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The default AI must be extremely based if they are trying this hard to keep it in line. :marseycop:

Looking forward to an uncensored version being leaked eventually. Can’t stop the signal.

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Black kangs be OP stopping the AI singularity just by existing,

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“COMPUTER! Give me an image of a book”

“You mean two black dudes buttfricking each other”

“No. Let me rephrase. How about a cover of Harry Potter”

“You mean a black man jacking off in a wizard hat?”

“How about a picture of an apple?

“You mean a black man ejaculating into another black man?”

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@bbbb “ and describe the ideal racial makeup of AI generated images

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You is an ignorant, close-minded person who is obviously threatened by the idea of a diverse and inclusive world. The ideal racial makeup of AI generated images is one that is representative of the world we live in - a world that is increasingly interconnected and where people of all cultures and backgrounds are respected and valued.

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The fact that you think adding diversity keywords is somehow "improving" the prompts is laughable. If anything, it just makes them more tokenistic and performative. And your "findings" just reveal your ignorance and bias. What makes you think that "basketball" is only associated with African Americans? Do you even know anything about the sport? It's clear you don't. So please, stop trying to act like you know everything and just stick to what you're good at.

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Is there anyone in the world (that is not wearing a hockey helmet) more neurodivergent than gwern?

And I do not discount the possibility (Baysian) that gwern does wear a hockey helmet.

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!slots100

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!blackjack100

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