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Ukraine halts embassy support for military-age men who 'do not care about the homeland'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/23/ukraine-embassy-support-military-age-men-who-left-country/

Kyiv imposed martial law at the start of Russia's invasion, banning men aged 18 to 60 from travelling abroad without special dispensation

Notice 18 year olds

Ukraine has stripped military-age men abroad of access to consular support except for help in organising their return home in an effort to boost conscription.

Dmytro Kuleba, the foreign minister, said in a statement that he had ordered measures to be taken to restore what he described as fair treatment for men of mobilisation age.

“How it looks like now: a man of conscription age went abroad, showed his state that he does not care about its survival, and then comes and wants to receive services from this state,” he said on X.

Somehow cutie twink doesn't mention that you need to receive a new passport when you hit 18 and that would mean a kid with his mom (or whole family) left Ukraine in 2022 or later and in June 2024 he turns 18, he can't get his Ukrainian passport and chances are some European countries will create for him problems because he has no Ukrainian passport so the only way for him to get it is to move to Ukraine and surprise surprise in Ukraine now guys older than 16 can't leave the country so he is now send to current bakhmut :marseythumbsup:

Some 4.3 million Ukrainians were living in European Union countries as of January 2024, of whom about 860,000 are adult men, the Eurostat database estimated.

They left not because they want to fight

Yaroslav, a 24-year-old business analyst in Kyiv, told The Telegraph he fears being conscripted will cause his death.

“Ninety per cent, yes. I will be dead,” he said. “I love my country with all my heart, but I'm not ready to die for it with no real prospects.”

He said the idea of conscription is “very stressful” and causes “pure anxiety” among his friends.

“I don't understand how it is possible to fight with our young people without this proper military preparation. For me, it makes no sense.”

Yaroslav said he would consider paying a smuggler to help him leave Ukraine.

“Maybe if there were some ways to figure it out, to give somebody money, to find the right person, I would do it.”

There have been numerous cases of draft dodgers trying to flee the country. The border guard service said it had detained eight men trying to cross into Hungary illegally on Tuesday.

This is average 2024 Ukrainian soldier

Some military analysts say the shortage of manpower is Ukraine's most significant battlefield weakness. It also faces an acute lack of artillery shells, although Kyiv hopes US military aid will replenish its stocks soon.

The aid was given to slow down Russian that's it and even tho US gave Ukraine the final weapon:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17139009156797745.webp

(It was already used last week ends on Crimea)

It won't change the outcome

Here on New York time

https://archive.ph/UqMHj

In Ukraine, New American Technology Won the Day. Until It Got Overwhelmed.

In the first year of the war, Russia barely used its electronic warfare capabilities. Today it has made full use of them, confusing the waves of drones the United States has helped provide. Even the fearsome HIMARS missiles that President Biden agonized over giving to Kyiv, which were supposed to make a huge difference on the battlefield, have been misdirected at times as the Russians learned how to interfere with guidance systems.

Not surprisingly, all these discoveries are pouring into a series of “lessons learned” studies, conducted at the Pentagon and NATO headquarters in Brussels, in case NATO troops ever find themselves in direct combat with President Vladimir V. Putin's forces. Among them is the discovery that when new technology meets the brutality of old-fashioned trench warfare, the results are rarely what Pentagon planners expected.

So they admitting something I told earlier last year that all the game changers are timed. ATACMS after shadow storm is a downgrade for Ukraine and Russia already has exp shooting ATACMS down.

So we are at point where Ukraine is short on men, can mobilise max 1 million more men until the ultimate end. Game changers are game changers. And money was giving to slow down Russian after they penetrated all og lines.

In this all before China fully joined this conflict

So now we are at point where west gives everything for one last go so they don't regret later that they didn't tried harder to save Ukraine :marseyxd: regret will always exist that they didn't tried to find a compromise and thought Russia won't start this fight.

https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1782519358440251710

Main khohol female soldiers bitching that western EW sucks

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what does victory for Ukraine even look like? Obviously they're not gonna conquer Russia. Is their goal to retake all territory that has already been captured by Russia? Is this even possible at this point?

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Its not actually a frozen conflic. Russia is still attacking with the intention of taking more territory

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Ideally, recover all occupied territories and join NATO.

More realistically, recover some occupied territories, formally cede rest to Russia and join NATO.

Anything that doesn't result in Ukraine joining NATO (or some other hard guarantee of independence from western powers, given that Budapest memorandum was already ignored by everyone) isn't a peace deal, and will at best result in few years of peace while Russia rebuilds armies before they reinvade.

Joining NATO requires having no territorial disputes so retaking or ceding all :marseygrouns: (this hasn't been the case for Turkey-Greece conflicts, or Germany claiming both East Germany and parts of Poland it lost in ww2 when it joined NATO, but it is likely the case today and especially for Ukraine)

Also note that for the latter scenario you still want to be talking about retaking all your territory before peace negotiations. If you concede all you have to concede before you get to bargaining you can't get anything in return.

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while Russia rebuilds armies before they reinvade.

I see how this was a consideration a year or two ago but surely now it looks like they've reached a sort of equilibrium between costs and replenishment? Seems like demobilizing and remobilizing would be a needless expense, not even factoring in all the gear and time to fortify Ukraine will get in the interim too.

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Anything that doesn't result in Ukraine joining NATO (or some other hard guarantee of independence from western powers, given that Budapest memorandum was already ignored by everyone) isn't a peace deal, and will at best result in few years of peace while Russia rebuilds armies before they reinvade.

Russia most likely doesn't have aspirations to invade Ukraine further than the eastern territories with big Russian-speaking populations (Odessa, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkiv) since pacifying the population of western Ukraine would be too much trouble and they would most likely face internal resistance, terrorist attacks, and insurrections from annexed Ukrainians if they did so. At least that's what I think, but what do I know?

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Arestovitch says their goal is to survive/stop Russian counter offensive that Russian suppose to launch (I doubt it) then with supposedly better hand start peace talk with Russian in November

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Heartwarming news, thank you I can have a good sleep now

:#marseyfallout:

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:#marseybikecuck:

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Honestly if you are a military-aged male and don't want to fight but still haven't gotten out by now I'm not sure what to tell you :marseyshrug:

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In newest video of arestovitch he told 100k+ soldiers left their position (deserters) things like this would explain why despite from start of this conflict Ukraine has 1.2 million soldiers and Russia 350k then + 300k are now outnumbering Ukraine and Ukraine does all the extreme mobilisation

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That means most likely they no longer get new VISAs, right?

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It means that's some country can stop view them as refugees and stop their timed green card. But other problem I can imagine is that some EU countries mb decided to deport those men and if for example you own a house in Ukraine and have no passport gov can decide to take your property way from you. But I bet most Ukrainian men that left have a back up plan like for example a big chunk of Ukrainian refugees are refugees in EU and Russia to get double neetbux.

Like they would go during the summer officially to Belarus using a bus but from Belarus to Russia.

But in general I just expect that thing will just damage 10% of Ukrainian men income since they will just stop working legal and will stop renting legal but other things won't change that much

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Ah okay. Cause I know some Ukrainians who travel frequently abroad and they have to get new VISAs every few months for that. That's why I asked.

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That problem is mostly for kids that now turn 18. For older men they already were renewing their passport before that law started.

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