Is this plane safe? :marseyplanecrash: YouTuber posted a video a week ago asking that on the same plane model (ATR-72) by the same Airline (Voepass) :marseyaware:

https://x.com/alexcrfla/status/1821979235982160156

On July 28th some rando Brazilian YouTuber named Lucas Estevam flew on a ATR-72 by voepass and posted a video on it. The original title of the video was "The Danger of flying on a Voepass ATR-72 - old Passaredo - is it safe or dangerous?

He changed it to "Flying on a Voepass ATR-72 How is it to fly on Passaredo?" Yesterday after the crash

Translating the Twitter excerpt for you guys

>Estevam: yes Julia (the flight attendant), it's beautiful, I'm recording a video of my experience. Julia, do you think it is calm to fly on this plane?

>Julia: certainly!

>Estevam: is it?

>Julia: certainly, it's very safe

>Estevam: people watching from home can relax? (Ficar de boa)

>Julia: sure, certainly

>Estevam: I've heard none of them ever crashed

>Julia: No

>Estevam: Oh, thank God is not going to be this one guys! 29 years, did you know that Voepass… (video ends).

!macacos agora as gays foram longe demais! Botando pé-frio nessa linha aérea :marseylgbtflag: :marseylaptopangry2:

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Also, he starts his youtube video with

>How many people have died, and how many crashes did Voepass (previously Passaredo) suffered from?

29
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Why was there a doubt that the plane was dangerous? :marseyhmm:

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It's French.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17233181452000184.webp

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Flight_4184

On October 31, 1994, the ATR 72 performing this route flew into severe icing conditions, lost control and crashed into a field.

Holy shit, the ice issue again. The investigation it's still early but everything so far points to icing.

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Like 4 out of 13 listed accidents are specifically because of ice, including that first one. I'm noticing a pattern :marseythonk:

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There's a whole episode of that air crash show about it that you might want to watch. TLDR: There was a long thorough investigation of this and they found out that the ATR's wing has a flawed design that makes it prone to icing. They made some improvements but it's still dangerous if you get into the wrong situation. Everyone has known this for decades.

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It's a turboprop and many people are afraid of flying them as it feels a bit more turbulent than jets due to the ceiling altitude being lower, and the plane being lighter.

That doesn't mean they're not safe (they are safe) but they feel "rougher" than jets on bad weather and they're also noisier.

!engineering

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I dunno about the rest of the world but these smaller regional planes crashes way more often in America. It's not because they're bad planes. The pilots are less experienced and they have to take off and land way more often, which is when the vast majority of crashes happen.

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Most plane crashes in South America are small monoplanes like Cessnas 172. At least in Brazil commercial planes crashes are thankfully very rare, the last one before the recent tragedy was the TAM flight 2034 which crashed during landing at the Congonhas airport in São Paulo, it was an Airbus A320. There was also a private jet crash in 2014 during which a Presidential Candidate (Eduardo Campos) died, you can guess the conspiracy theories.

The pilots are less experienced and they have to take off and land way more often, which is when the vast majority of crashes happen.

I can see that happening. Speaking for myself I never flew on a turboprop plane, but my dad did like 10 years ago, a regional flight of some 500 miles, they crossed a storm and he said it was awful and that there was a woman yelling "WE'RE GONNA DIE!" During a strong turbulence. I also experienced a rough landing passing through a very strong thunderstorm on a regional flight coming from Buenos Aires a couple of years ago, pilots are supposed to circumvent them but our pilots that time when through it. After that I refused to fly on that airline again lol.

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Most plane crashes in South America are small monoplanes like Cessnas 172.

That's just like up here. The the big airlines flying long distance routes virtually never crash. The regional airlines crash rarely. "General aviation" we call it, small planes like a Cessna, they're like 20 times more likely to crash.

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/ Safe like no statistical difference in failure rate between it and other aircraft or safe like it's ''safe'' to ride a motorcycle instead of a car?
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One of my FIs who flies ATRs for a living used to call them "always try reset" because apparently they always bug out :marseyxd:

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