"The new guy makes more than me?!?!" | Women of Twox learn that negotiating for higher wages is a thing

I've worked for this company for 4 years. I work hard. My job is designed for a team of two people who do identical work. In my 4 years here I have seen 5 people come and go as the second person on the team . The newest guy joined 2 weeks ago. Today i learned he earns more money than me

I can't prove that it is gender related but our gender is literally the only difference between the two of us (except that i have more experience and responsibility....!?)

Yea sounds like he negotiated for higher pay.

All these excuses are crazy! Equal pay for equal work.

stfu commie

How some places have no workers protection is nuts. I'd leave them high and dry and not train the new person....but I'm petty. Look for another job.

And you'd get a shitty reference who'd tell people you walked out without notice.

Saaaaame. I've worked at this company for a decade and they pay some little shit that wears the same unwashed, aromatic basketball shorts to work from March to November twice my salary. He does half the work I do

Ask for a raise.

"Because he has a family to support."

Even if they don't say it out loud, they always have some fricked up logic as to why men deserve more money, usually that their financial needs are somehow more than women.

Yea, and so what? He might actually have a family to support.

This is something that's done to childless people, not just women. People with children are often seen as more deserving and having higher salary needs than a childless person. People with children get priority for vacations too, it's incredibly frustrating. If you go to /r/childfree you'll hear many stories like this.

Because they literally are. Children are the life blood of a country, you refusing to have them hurts everyone and you should be punished for it.

My SIL won a lawsuit for this very reason. Just saying.

Yeah not sure why people are defending this. In several states (CA and NY I can name off the top of my head) it's illegal to pay someone of a protected class less for similar positions and work. And depending on the state, they also need to give you all the back pay for the time you were underpaid. The only legal reasons to pay more require the employer to show it is based on merit or years of experience. It does not matter if their intention was to discriminate based on gender, it's still illegal.

Which is a great reason not to hire women at all. Also bullshit. You're telling me no one can negotiate their pay in CA or NY? That it's set by the lowest paid foid?

salary is usually based on the market at the time you get hired! anybody coming in after you has a leg up, and almost no company is going to give you a raise comparable to market rate. it's why it's better for employees to job hop every year or two nowadays. it's the fastest way to get nice raises. companies used to reward people for staying but those incentives are practically non existent now.

!nooticers I always see this said on reddit but have never seen it irl. Interesting that.

Go to HR, tell them that you were made aware that, despite you having more experience and doing the same job, you are being paid less. Ask for a raise to what he is making, plus 3% cost of living for each of the last 4 years you have been there. If they won't give it to you, polish up your resume and start looking for another job. Keep this one until you find another, and don't tell them your looking, just do it. You don't want to work for a company like that.

Advocating for yourself? Very male coded

I work in HR. Honestly, I would advise anyone who has been in their position for 4 years to look for another job. That is the best and fastest way to increase your salary, even without any gender discrimination bullshit. But I get that some folks love their jobs and are willing to accept being paid less to stay there. Also, in case you are not aware, in the US, it is illegal for companies to punish any employee for discussing their salary with other employees or prevent them from doing so. It's also illegal to retaliate against an employee for doing so.

I love how reddit, the most union peepee suckingist site says shit like this. You will never get anywhere in a union field by job hopping.

After talking to HR, send a follow-up email summarizing your conversation. You want everything documented in writing - the disparity in salary and experience, their response, etc. Be professional, and just provide a recap. Capture a screenshot and send it to your personal email. That way, if they should suddenly find performance issues, you have a case for reporting them for retaliating.

And they'll have a good reason for firing you! Not many places like you exfiltrating company property and yes emails count.

When this happened to me I went to my boss and I told him it seems like getting a new job is the best way to get a raise because it worked out for this new employee. So I told him he needs to give me a raise or I need to leave. He didn't believe me so I found a new job and gave my notice. At that point he tried to give me a raise, but the new job was paying me so much more he couldn't/wouldn't match it.

an ultimatum is the most r-slurred way to go about this. The threat is already implied in you even asking for the raise.

Your pay is determined by how well you did at your last job, not your current one.

Working hard is only worth something if you can leverage it into a better salery next time. If you're not intending to change job, then there's no real purpose to putting in more work or taking on responsibility.

These are the same people complaining their bosses don't care about them