Many people on the various posts about the Sony leaks have been wondering what exactly all this means and why Sony is having issues. This post is designed to break some of the scattered info down to create an idea of where Sony is headed.
To understand anything about modern Sony, one needs to understand 3 key things:
The PlayStation 5 was released a little over 3 years ago, in that time 12 exclusives have been released.
The Game & Network Services (gaming) division is Sony's largest division, making about 26 billion USD of the 88 billion they made across the whole company in FY2022. It is also the primary driver of the company's growth. The Music division and the Imaging and Sensing division are also growing, but not nearly as quickly. The Electronics Products & Solutions division is a good source of revenue, but it's basically stagnant.
In April 2016 (April 1st lol), Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC (SIE) was created to operate PlayStation (and pretty much the entire gaming division). This ended up effectively moving the HQ of the PlayStation part of the company from Japan (the HQ of SIE's two predecessors) to San Mateo, California, the HQ of the newly formed SIE.
Sony's PlayStation brand has always been a very strong performer in the gaming market, ever since the PS1. It has had it's ups and downs, but has always been a good source of revenue and growth that's been able to capitalize on the continuously growing video game industry. This is best shown with the fact that PS5 has sold way more units than the Xbox series X and S, about twice as many.
However Sony is actually 2nd in a 3 player race, Nintendo is absolutely crushing both Sony and Microsoft in terms of console units sold. The Switch has sold 3x more than the PS5 despite only being twice as old. In fact in 2023 the Switch has been estimated to have sold an extra 10 million units over the PS5, so the Switch's advantage is not all because of it's age.
The main reason is that many Japanese developers and customers started to switch to the Switch, this will be explained later.
No big deal, right? Sony can at least keep a lock on the American AAA market and claw back over the next few years, right? Well, that was probably the plan, until Microsoft did the unexpected: they changed the entire industry.
Microsoft has always treated Xbox as a side business, never really getting the full backing of the entire company. This is because Microsoft is 24x larger than Sony in terms of market cap. Even if Xbox had an overwhelmingly dominant position in the current console business, it wouldn't really be a huge deal.
Thus, Sony always remained safe knowing that they were too small and insignificant to be crushed by Microsoft, and that they also had a very strong Japanese following (of both customers and developers) that would never go team Xbox. That is of course until two different developments occurred:
Microsoft decided that the console business isn't important... but the entire gaming industry is. They determined that if they could get a large slice of the entire gaming pie, not just console money, they would be able to make tons of money.
The Japanese turned on Sony, and started to move to Nintendo.
Both of these developments are best explained separately, so I'll be making 2 different posts that will cover each side of this 2 pronged assault on Sony's lunch.
Which should I write about first:
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Go le woke go le broke. Should have made Bloodborne 2 instead the last of part 2 huh? Chuds won
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Yeah that's the TL:DR summary lol.
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I'm onboard the get woke go broke shit,
But can you kindly explain exactly how Sony got woke, I've never played console shit
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All I remember is the official Sony twitter account debating chuds about the BLM protests saying that all the property damage doesn't matter because it's saving lives or something.
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I understanding changing your logo to a rainbow version or something, but actually arguing on twitter as a brand is so r-slurred lmao
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Wow your personal ESG score is gonna tank if you keep that up
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Did TLoU2 sell badly? I didn't play it because I didn't like the 1st one. I saw it getting dunked on a lot, but didn't really have a dog in the fight.
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Saved me the trouble of reading all that shit.
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All those words won't bring daddy back.
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I would hazard a guess that a higher percentage of Bloodborne's fans are s in comparison to TLOU2.
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The speedrunners for sure but that's for any game.
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SIE turned on the Japanese
The Japanese went to Nintendo as they are the only major gaming house remaining in their country
What else were they going to do, when developers had to speak Engrish at 3am to argue about godrays
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Developer-san wake up, we need Nvidia rtx support
The east has farren, birrions must buy Nintendo
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Can someone explain why the PS5 STILL has no games lol
If I was a PS5 owner I'd be
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Just an issue with gaming as a whole. Even Nintendo seems to be struggling with it compared to their output historically.
The current gen consoles rely on backwards compatibility. Even for the 360/PS3 the industry couldn't make games fast enough for there to be a decent library at launch.
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HD game development is incredibly time consuming and requires an insane amount of resources
Back in like PS1 days you could have a midsize team crank out a decent quality game within 6-12 months or so. Now you need teams of hundreds dedicated to a specific task (rendering/engine/etc) taking a minimum of 3-4 years if everything goes well (it never does). Reusing middleware can cut into the time needed but not by much. Like @Rule4Follower said this really has been a problem since the first HD consoles came out.
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Ironically I disagree with you completely. I think the reason for this is that the industry chose to abandon the midsized team making annual or biannual releases in favor of always trying to make the biggest game ever with the biggest budget and best graphics. Not every game needs to be that.
I think software development is limited by bottlenecks rather than the amount of code your team can type, so I think most of the time having 500 people isn't any better than having 50, and actually the job of managing those people becomes a large enough undertaking that it slows everything down and distracts the most experienced and talented devs.
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You are missing one key point however, rich people's children getting comfy made up jobs when they fail at life.
How do they do that if the team is only 50 people and everybody knows each other.
Jewish lives matter
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I don't think developing software is a comfy made-up job. That's to blame for the bad writing in all media. I don't play games for the writing though lol.
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Jewish lives matter
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found the incel
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When will Singularity, the ultimate B tier game get a sequel?! I don't even remember what happens, just that it was budget, clearly not AAA, and surprisingly ok!
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okay but why is this the case
like sure if the dev team was making their own engine from scratch i can see it taking years and years but arent most games these days even big ones made in like unreal engine and the like
why cant a team of 20 people make an unreal engine game in like 6-18 months
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The people who made games in the 80s and 90s didn't grow up playing computer games, so they were better workers
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The entire entertainment industry is incredibly coddled and soft. Used to be TV networks could turn out a scripted show every year with 23 episodes without fail. Now they manage 8 episodes a "season" and it takes them 2-3 years. Fricking pathetic.
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Sounds lol but this has to be absolutely true. Read Masters of Doom above software. Doom pretty much exists bc of non vidya related ideas and Doom's multiplayer exists because street fighter 2 came out and they thought why can't we do this too
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A 20 people team could do all of the programming for a game in 6-18 months, it's everything else that takes a million years. Like fi you look at the credits for a big game you'll see it's 10 different studios contracted to make 3d models, motion capture and voice acting; it's all stupid bloat just like how every game is 100gb.
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Starfield looked like to spent a hundred million dollars on designing hi-res 3d models of every book and coffee cup in the game and you only see it if you zoom in in your inventory. I didn't understand why they did that when the rest of the game looks 15yrs old
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Thank G-d AI will replace all those “people”
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Lara Croft's cone tits in 1998 vs her now
The amount of labor that goes into creating all the assets went way up, especially as the scope of the games also got way bigger.
Smaller games and the gazzilion simulators that buy assets can be made very quickly.
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They always do the same every gen: completely ignore the first 3/4 of a console's gen, start pumping out great games in the last 1/4.
People have short memory and rush to buy the next gen console then
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Nothing has games. Even PC isn't getting a lot of releases. This year there were like 3 games even in the running for GOTY and one of them was fricking Alan Wake
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Ps5 has FF16 and GOW Ragnarok those are the only ones I care about and I'm patient enough to wait for a PC release of both.
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Ragnarok SUCKED! Liked the first well enough for a "movie" game. There's something off about every facet of Ragnarok, the writing is too quippy/modern, combat especially the heavy attack felt worse, pacing was atrocious, and the levels/puzzles felt less interesting.
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I heard Corey B quit over creative differences which explains the Marvel-esque writing
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Waiting on FF7 Remake 2.
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I think we'll all be 20 years older by the time all three parts come out, plus the DLCs. In 2050 you'll be able to get the GOTY director's cut full version on steam for 9.99.
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Everyone knows why nintendo > sony, its because sony makes expensive movie games for soyboys and nintendo pumps out cheap interactive games for g*mers
Everyone says le woke le broke but nintendo has femboy link, gay marriage benefits in a country with no gay marriage, and a bunch of other shit chudinskis would be pointing at if the market positions were flip flopped
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cheap? where? it's all 60 euros. and the zelda games are 70 euros.
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Cheap to produce
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Cheap to develop albeit
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Nintendo also gives Link a harem, since he is CHAD+STUD, your point?
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You really got to give it to nintendo for the prolific amount of gay ganon femlink porn they drop with every release. Most devs just wait for the degenerate fans to do the dirty work but you can always count on nintendo to c*m through
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Mario in a wedding dress receiving luigi's blessing. Canonically trans paper mario sidekick. Splatoon 3 trans rights lobby propaganda.
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VIVIAN IS FEMALE
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Never played the game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_(Paper_Mario)
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It's because of the Legend of Zelda games.
They are like full blown experiences in what is supposed to be ps5's little kid brother.
Jewish lives matter.
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That's right 👍 snappy, death 💀 to libtards
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We all have an idea of M$ basically eating up the gaming pie with game pass. I'm interested in the Japan drama.
Still have no idea why people bought that waste of space. It does less and plays less than a computer desktop equivalent. How have sony fans not have necked themselves by now?
And gimme my demon's souls remake
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It's fricking ugly as shit compared to the PS3 and PS4, which are black and sleeker looking. No mom is putting this in her living room lol
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nothing compares to PS2 slim :\
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Ps5 and xboner still kick the frick out of any equivalently priced PC and will probably for their entire run. You can get them for <$450, which is what you'd pay for a graphics card alone on the pc.
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After all these years, consolestrags are still r-slurred.
You're paying a premium for its convenient GUI. Nevermind that you can do the same on Windows with a desktop. It's the fat laziness that counts.
Where "consoles" really shine are on shitty mobile devices like Switch and your phone. People's standards really are that low. We've basically got games that play themselves; you just have to tap the screen anywhere every minute.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Lol no. Look up console specs and get back to me on how you're building a comparable PC for even $1000.
PC pays a premium for greater control over their experience. Console players get a discount to have virtually no control.
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I already did this days ago when someone was sperging to the contrary about this. Don't feel like finding it, but you probably can if you look for "optiplex."
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Well two years ago my number was around $1800. Post GPU or GTFO
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NO.
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Surveys Richerd Stallmun
Warms my heart. homelessness services australia? Neither are the 500 Chrispeay Kreaymi “points of access” the American chain is planning to open across France over the next year.
Stuff like this always fascinates me because all those kangaroo frickers are acknowledging this as true and being the reality of how poore people there are treated, but I know those frickers will still act like Australia is somehow actually way better to the poore than us. Like even in my small town in the South we have enough support systems that only the absolutely most insane and methed out of our homeless can't find food and shelter for the day. How do they not realize that either these stories are absolute fiction or that their sense of superiority is completely unwarranted?
console pc? INDONESIA
sound. fighting://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre/2023/light-hearted-news-social-media-drawing-gen-z:~: Young
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Don't get me wrong I use PC cause I'm stacked enough it doesn't matter, but the value on consoles this generation specifically is insane. It's inarguable. A $200 laptop and a $450 console performs much better as a combo than a $650 PC, it's just how gpus are priced now.
Maybe after nvidia comes down from their high a bit more it'll be competitive. 6060s will probably beat consoles pretty handily.
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I can beat the price of a console with a refurb Optiplex and superior GPU for <$600, but most people in the market can't, so there's that. You raise a good point about tradeoffs: having a laptop + console instead of a desktop. I think most console enthusiasts simply take the hit in lower graphical performance (or they're used to it). Years ago, when I was playing PUBG on xbox, I hated the occasional drop in framerates. It caused me to lose so many little skirmishes because everything is stuttering, but xbox people are so used to it, they don't seem to really notice or care.
A lot of this debate seems to boil down to how much lower console users' standards are for performance, while believing that their console experience is superior or normal. They do win on ease-of-use albeit.
!vidya, console v PC shit.
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Idt consoles are the lower experience right now though. At least not meaningfully. Afaik they both handle 4K60fps, or HD at 120 fps. PC obviously gets access to the indie market but that's rarely the cutting edge of graphics. For PC the benefit is more in being able to multitask, stream, and use steam.
PC is obviously the premium experience but it is very much a premium that you pay for. Peripherals included (cause you already have a tv for your console), a decent PC from scratch is gonna run you $1k-1.2k these days, and it'll probably perform just a little better (maybe) frames wise than a console. Someone mentioned upgrading being cheaper than consoles, but even that's not really true. At a $300 price point (insane deal or refurb or something) for cpu/mobo/ram and a $400 for gpu, you're looking at $700 every generation.
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It's not nearly as steady, but it probably doesn't matter since a controller moves your POV much slower than a mouse. Console games also 'dumb down' settings, environment (how much you see of the map at a time), player count, NPC/enemy spawn rates and total numbers, and so on in order to accommodate for the less performant hardware. These all count as hits in quality, but if one's expectations are already low, then it doesn't matter.
RE: price,
If people really are that sensitive, they can find deals during holidays. I don't think consoles vary much in price for these events. Obviously, paying someone you trust $100 to build an equivalent PC for $500-700 is something else. Anyway, we'd have to compare performance to get a good price comparison. It's been awhile, but I don't think xbox let's you install FRAPS.
A lot of this debate comes down to ease-of-access. People are ignorant about operating systems and hardware, but I don't blame them. It's much easier buying an XBOX X for $350 (plus $50-80 per year)*. People tend to forget about that annual subscription price too.
* 2023 S series for same price: https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Xbox-1TB-Console-Carbon-Black/dp/B0C7HKS2RF. Didn't look at the difference between the two.
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Maintenance only PC is probably cheaper, ig depends on how much you pay for electricity, but steam + not paying for MP helps a lot.
Games are usually tuned down for console but like on the development front. PC gets games that are made for console and not adjusted up for PC (usually they take performance hits when ported), so it's kind of a wash there. Other than RTX, i don't think most games have PC specific performance settings.
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If it's some simple like changing configuration files on enemy respawns and how much map is loaded at a time, then upscaling for PC shouldn't be a problem. It is kinds of funny when games are limited to the performance of a $350 system.
It's an old debate, and although console makers show their hardware specs, I've yet to see a proper benchmark equivalent to PCs.
They can lower costs with mass production, but it's still the same hardware available to PCs. There's also throttling issues, as with laptops, so I always wondered about having a proper comparison in terms of performance.
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The amount of extra time, mental effort, and space it takes to maintain a fricking windows desktop, no thanks
I'd rather keep my desk for work and let Microsoft build something that lets me sit in my couch turn on the TV and it works consistently every time and I don't have to update my shit to play Starfield or whatever. And I don't have to install EA shit and use three different game stores and tweak settings and etc
I dont want to think about that shit cuz I don't care.
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You do realize it costs less to upgrade a PC than to keep buying the next new shitbox, right.
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At launch it seemed like a good machine for its price, I literally got one instead of being arsed to update my pc because it seemed to be a good deal. I don't know if it actually was or not, but it seemed like it.
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I bought it just for demon's souls
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Ngmi
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Should've been headquartered in Arkansas or Nebraska, smh.
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Sony has Final Fantasy yet they're losing coomers to Nintendo, the company that actually goes after raunchy fanfics?
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I'm not sure final fantasy has been relevant since ff10
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Yeah, that last one was butt on a plate
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True weeb shit. Never understood the appeal on that game. Playing a game in between watching the gayest movie ever
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I'd like to hear the japan side of things. I've heard and seen a lot of M$'s actions in this area, but all I've heard on the other front was vague chuddy whining about california companies. Also would enjoy some armchair generalling on how Snoy unfricks themselves here.
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Nintendo's basically controlled Japan since the 3DS came out. For whatever reason handheld and mobile are king in Japan and Sony's last stab at it (the Vita) flopped.
There's really not anything more to it than that. All the other stuff they did regarding Japan was a consequence of the TV console market dying out over the last two decades.
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It's because Japs don't drive and spend all their time on the
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There literally isn't enough room in the average japanese house for a PS5. They'd have to choose between that or their bed
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zoz
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zle
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zozzle
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I think I heard jp is moving towards pc away from non-mobile console too? At least more than before?
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In the early 00s japanese pc gaming was very niche and mostly indie/coomer. As late as like 2015 I think cd-roms were still the most relevant way to sell game
Nowadays I think japanese devs are much more active on pc
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I feel like if they tried to release a new or updated version of the PSP/Vita these days they'd be more successful. Most handhelds are far too big to fit in your pocket (Switch, Steamdeck, etc.) but the PSP was perfect for 30-60 minute commute sessions.
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Maybe, but Sony hates their customers except when it's about hardware. So they could do an exceptional SteamDeck ... but since they also hate open source they prob. can't compete against phone gaming.
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I've heard from people who've lived in Japan that nobody actually plays video games on the train, unless it's on their cell phone. I think most people just throw it in their backpack.
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Carp please 📍📌 this !effortposters
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I see it like this. Non-mobile Games are getting more and more resource-intensive to make, essentially rivaling feature films. This is going to spur integration rather than further differentiation because nobody wants to spend 200mil on a exclusive game that shuts out half of the market. At a certain point there's no reason to have several different versions of the consoles that play the same games—the days of comparing the color palettes of the Sega Genesis and the SNES are over. And a small shop isn't going to crank out a blockbuster in all likelihood these days that will make everyone want to buy the Super-Geo CuckGrafix 128
Maybe AI will change some of this through maverick development putting creative development ability back into the hands of small shops.
I'm not a g*mer anymore but just what I think based on the little information I read.
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I think Sony takes over the tv console market and plays Xbox games. Xbox already went on windows if they lose another generation it's over for them. And their exclusives have been total flops.
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It's kinda funny that this is basically the future 3DO was trying to create, where all consoles were basically just another living room appliance and all of them played the same games, but their implementation was so shit it took another 30 years to get there.
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pottery
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Sony Imaging and Sensing the type of company to charge $150 for four png files.
I really don't know what the frick is wrong with that division. I love my alpha camera but their idiotic protectionist policies (limiting burst mode on third party lenses, refusing to update older bodies with newer algorithms) is leaving a gaping hole for Nikon and Canon to come charging right back through.
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Idk man, Canon and Nikon aren't much better. Canon didn't allow third party lenses at all, though apparently Sigma will come, and Nikon does but they're weird about it, they rebrand Tamron lenses as their own and only a very limited amount of lenses makes it on the mount.
They aren't much better with updates either, though their latest flagships do get better support, not like the A1. But older, lower down the stack cameras don't.
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You're right about Canon. Nikon seems to at least be updating their cameras with new AF algorithms which is more than Sony can say. Sony struck gold with the openness of E Mount, but that seems to be a fluke decision especially because they artificially gimp the camera's abilities when a third party lens is on it.
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Yeah, honestly Nikon has the best excuse to not update since they're on their 3rd processor (kinda) since they launched mirrorless. But them and Canon do at least take care of their flagships, Z9 got huge updates, R5/R5C got big updates, but their lower end isn't supported very well. Sony, OTOH, can't even be bothered to add small things like the lens breathing comp to their flagship. Also, isn't that feature also locked into 1st party lenses?
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Lol wtf. I have an ancient 40 year old k mount lens that works fine on my 90d. Canon Chads keep winning
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The super expensive cameras that can shoot 30-120fps are limited to just 15fps when using a third party lens. This isn't a problem on the A7 and A6000 because they can't shoot that fast in the first place.
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I voted "Sony losing ground to Nintendo" because they are both Japanese companies, so I feel that's a better way to start
Merry Christmas!!!!!
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Some other Christmas Marseys:
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Video games are and always will be gay but I can't fault Sony because ps5 rarity paid for my barn through sniping Walmart.com and scalping on stockx and eBay. I kept one for myself and discovered that video games can be a good pastime and 60fps is something very important to an enjoyable experience but through that now I just have a steam deck which is like the easiest satisfaction in an arcade electronics purchase. The last time I bought a pc for games was in 2003 for half life 2 and it was a lot of money that got old very quickly bc I think that was the end of the more ghz = better than era so I gave up on computers and vidya have had Mac's ever since
Steam deck however is perfect. It's a game console, it plays literally everything and isn't locked down. What an excellent idea valve had
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voted this option because 1. second option is pretty self-evident, its literally just "xbox gamepass lmao" 2. curious to know how much of this is actually true and how much of it is kotakuinactionoids writing their own "go woke go broke" fanfiction because a handheld is selling more than a traditional console
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Didn't read lol 1 have adult hobbies
Hillary 2024
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The PS5 just crossed 50 million units sold so hardware wise Sony is actually doing quite fine on that front still. The problem is despite having the most gaming revenue by far of the big three Playstation as a business is the least profitable of the console makers. Likely has to do with them spending $350m on games like Spiderman.
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Please use actual sources and not just /v/ propaganda
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Sony brought casuals to the gaming industry with the PS2 and it's DVD player. I hope they rot. There's no grave shallow enough for them.
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Lmao this dropped just as you posted your screed
https://www.ft.com/content/3b89e9f7-e3cf-4e60-bfa4-987af24efa75
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Cloud gaming is always the future
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