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I wasn't really gonna say anything because I haven't actually played HoI4 in nearly three years so it's kind of off my radar, but as a Person Whomst Talks About Grand Strategy As A Job, I really don't like the "evil is cool" tone of the Götterdämmerung marketing. pic.twitter.com/mavpUIIyKr
— Len (@TilFolkvang) October 22, 2024
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Straight up commieshit in my game, cool and based
Vague nazishit, HELP THEY'RE COURTING THE WEHRABOOS
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As a former gommie (I know) this really pisses me off
I think the Iron Curtain was so influential that too many sympathisers are hanging around Europe nowadays, even though it killed more people than Nazism. Whereas Nazism only lasted 12 years (not a slave).
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Not a commie but the fact that it killed more than Nazism might come down to the length of time, r-slur.
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Most of the deaths were in the same time frame as nazism though
Nazism killed 12 million over it's entire existence, which we know very precisely, Stalin by that point had already killed (in accordance with lower end estimates) 20 million. Mao, killed somewhere in the range of 60-100 million in a 27 year period, only a period twice as long as the nazi tenure, and without waging a global war where you were collection POWs simultaneously.
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12 million? That's just not true lol. 24 million Soviet deaths, 5 million Pole deaths, and if you're going to count all the deaths of Stalin you might as well count all the deaths of Germans due to WW2, so 8 million. That's around about 37 million?
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That's not counting war casualties lmao, 12 million is the amount systematically killed. We know this because the germs kept count. 20 million isn't counting war casualties either. atleast not to my knowledege, and as I said it's actually on the lower end of estimates.
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He didn't systematically kill them though, high end of people Stalin intentionally had killed is like 5 million at the very very high end. The rest of that is from famines and deaths of people from removements (not systemic, accidental). Though you can make an argument (one I disagree with) that the famines were intentional, they weren't intentional and systemic in how they killed people, certainly not any more the Nazi's famines. It's hard to get to a 20 million death figure with Stalin without the Nazi's also reaching higher with similar degrees of blame.
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and the nazi famines were recorded by them in the 12 million death toll. The 12 million, are specifically civilian deaths as part of the programs exercised by the national socialist government, most of the camps were very similar to gulags. But a few were actually for killing. But many still died in the work camps, just like millions died in gulags during forced labour, food shortages or purges.
A large part of the 12 million died in transit too, most of them going to workers camps, sending workers to death projects or even just camps with little food, even if is "without intention", is certainly a systemic death. Many such deaths occured under stalinist russia, not just the holodomor.
20 million is in line with the civilian atrocities commited under stalinist russia. The 12 million is what the nazis themselves recorded with great precision.
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That's fair, I'm not denying the 20 million number for the death Stalin's government directly caused for the sake of this conversation, just that because if you held the Nazi's to the same standard it'd be higher, so it feels to silly to compare the two numbers which have different meanings.
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Again agreed. Holodomor is real neighbor shit. I'm saying however that give 1944-45 Germany another 3 years before downfall and those numbers are going up, so don't be a cute twink.
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!anticommunists commies get free pass by westoids who have never experienced socialism
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!codecels
It got jannied before I could do a proper write up but there was Lobste.rs thread where a Polish guy was trying to set the record straight about free market economies after being under Socialist rule. Quite the breath of fresh air for all the unironic commie posting.
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I mean not all economies had it the way the poles were able to switch. Whereas the Poles slowly decapitalized over the period of 10 years, other countries tried doing it overnight, resulting in the oligarchs and just horrible times that was eastern europe in the 90's
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I don't think the Slavic brain can build a functional society, so the jury is still out on if it could've gone better.
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Germany doesn't have a commie path btw !commenters
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I mean, they do. Communism is when your country is run by the Jews.
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!anticommunists
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"Hey, don't call me a nazi
, I'm a communist."- Hitler
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Do we know if that will change with this DLC?
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No that's what I'm saying, there's no commie tree
They've shown the tree, and in the initial announcement there was no mention of communism
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Well,
you said it in present tense, so I was in the right to assume you were speaking of the current german tree that too has no commie path.
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The new focus tree has presently been revealed
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