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American Professor: "Cleopatra should be depicted as Black becuz she was oppressed and shiet. And because African Americans see her as such, which makes her culturally Black"

https://web.archive.org/web/20230510095935/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/opinion/black-cleopatra-netflix.html

Netflix’s casting was informed by the views of Shelley Haley, a renowned classicist and Cleopatra expert, who claims that, although evidence of her ancestry and physical attributes are inconclusive, Cleopatra was culturally Black.

Dr. Haley has said that she was struck by the experience, early in her life and career, of encountering Black American communities that seemed to view Cleopatra as one of their own. Building on that experience, Dr. Haley’s academic work on Cleopatra adopts a more complex criterion for racial identification than skin color alone. “When we say, in general, that the ancient Egyptians were Black and, more specifically, that Cleopatra was Black,” Dr. Haley wrote, “we claim them as part of a culture and history that has known oppression and triumph, exploitation and survival.”

Her point is that we are not limited to considering only representations of what Cleopatra looked like or descriptions of her ancestry. We can also use what we know of her life, reign and resistance to understand her race as a shared cultural identity.

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To recognize Cleopatra as culturally Black is not to pretend that skin color is meaningless now — in the manner of recent figures like Rachel Dolezal and Jessica Krug, who claimed a cultural identity that was not theirs. In our society, race and racism are deeply entwined with skin color and other inherited physical traits. We cannot understand modern forms of oppression without understanding how phenotypical difference contributes to them, and we cannot legitimately claim a racial history without having lived it.

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we claim them as part of a culture and history that has known oppression and triumph, exploitation and survival

OK, but, specifically, Cleopatra was on the side of the oppressors and exploiters.

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Nuh uh the Ptolemaic dynasty were being oppressed and explouted by the native Egyptian farmers by not giving them 100% of the produce as tax

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No bigot, she was born in Africa and ruled over Africans so that makes her black automatically. Northern Africa has always been ruled by black kangs :marseykente:

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is Elon Musk African?

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:marseyag#ree:

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is he black?

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By virtue of being born in aFREEca and thousand year old zulu lands, he is

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Dr. Nally is an associate professor of philosophy at the University of Missouri, Kansas City.

Dr. Gilbert is an assistant professor of classics at Mississippi State University.

Neither of these people are "Cleopatra experts." They're just clout-chasing Asst. Profs at irrelevant state schools trying to make names for themselves by publishing a provocative article in the NYT. They're hoping for a book deal out of this to make up for the $43,000/year that they make from their jobs. The incentives in academia right now are a complete mess. Shocking work > good work.

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Sorry sweaty but science says your wrong

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16839909690254395.webp

Please stop genociding vulnerable people and causing harm, thanks

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I love these because, while this is correct that it’s a modern racial concept, it’s used to obfuscate a simple fricking question—would Cleopatra have looked like someone that would be identified as a Black woman by Burgers today? (no)

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I think we should support this line of thinking. Ever since they’ve been using the “gender is a social construct” argument I’ve been hoping that gets applied to race as well lol.

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This pill could be easier to swallow if the actress weren't so homely.

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But she has to be black tho :marseyconfused:

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Lmao she was an elite

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we need a phrenologist to debunk her argument on the basis of her phenotype

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16839941514435613.webp

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No need for Phrenology

>white woman

Opinion discarded

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Girl who sat inside during recess to read horse books.

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There are horse girls that get abused by the riding teacher. And there are horse girls that abuse the horse. She is latter.

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With that upper lip, she’s literally the

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personified

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:#marseyeerie2:

Snapshots:

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@DMmeBBC on suicide watch

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Cleopatra invented the telescope

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Cultural appropriation

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