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I found some blog from 2009 where they are bitching about the science becoming a religion under obama

https://blog.emergingscholars.org/2009/01/elevating-science-elevating-democracy

In the pissed off bloggers defense- The article looks like it was written by the most reddity redditor ever.

And his words seem to really be glorifying the mechanism of observing the world. He completely leaves out the awe and wonder of the actual world which is being observed. If I were to get teary eyed about science, it is because it points to so much majesty and complexity in the world we live in. It is not because of some odd pride in my ability to be super-rational.

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If one believes the former President was possessed of some sort of religious, anti-rational Satan, that they might be weeping over the new nationalizing of everything, especially if increased departmental research funding is involved.

The blogs comment section is worth it.

Below will be the NYT article that pissed those bloggers off. The journ*list found it hard not to have Obamas black man balls in his mouth the entire time he was writing that fully erect:

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All right, I was weeping too.

To be honest, the restoration of science was the least of it, but when Barack Obama proclaimed during his Inaugural Address that he would “restore science to its rightful place,” you could feel a dark cloud lifting like a sigh from the shoulders of the scientific community in this country.

When the new president went on vowing to harness the sun, the wind and the soil, and to “wield technology’s wonders,” I felt the glow of a spring sunrise washing my cheeks, and I could almost imagine I heard the music of swords being hammered into plowshares.

Wow. My first reaction was to worry that scientists were now in the awkward position of being expected to save the world. As they say, be careful what you wish for.

My second reaction was to wonder what the “rightful place” of science in our society really is.

The answer, I would argue, is On a Pedestal — but not for the reasons you might think.

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Forget about penicillin, digital computers and even the Big Bang, passing fads all of them.

The knock on science from its cultural and religious critics is that it is arrogant and materialistic. It tells us wondrous things about nature and how to manipulate it, but not what we should do with this knowledge and power. The Big Bang doesn’t tell us how to live, or whether God loves us, or whether there is any God at all. It provides scant counsel on same-s*x marriage or eating meat. It is silent on the desirability of mutual assured destruction as a strategy for deterring nuclear war.

Einstein seemed to echo this thought when he said, “I have never obtained any ethical values from my scientific work.” Science teaches facts, not values, the story goes.

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Worse, not only does it not provide any values of its own, say its detractors, it also undermines the ones we already have, devaluing anything it can’t measure, reducing sunsets to wavelengths and romance to jiggly hormones. It destroys myths and robs the universe of its magic and mystery.

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So the story goes.

But this is balderdash. Science is not a monument of received Truth but something that people do to look for truth.

That endeavor, which has transformed the world in the last few centuries, does indeed teach values. Those values, among others, are honesty, doubt, respect for evidence, openness, accountability and tolerance and indeed hunger for opposing points of view. These are the unabashedly pragmatic working principles that guide the buzzing, testing, poking, probing, argumentative, gossiping, gadgety, joking, dreaming and tendentious cloud of activity — the writer and biologist Lewis Thomas once likened it to an anthill — that is slowly and thoroughly penetrating every nook and cranny of the world.

Nobody appeared in a cloud of smoke and taught scientists these virtues. This behavior simply evolved because it worked.

It requires no metaphysical commitment to a God or any conception of human origin or nature to join in this game, just the hypothesis that nature can be interrogated and that nature is the final arbiter. Jews, Catholics, Muslims, atheists, Buddhists and Hindus have all been working side by side building the Large Hadron Collider and its detectors these last few years.

And indeed there is no leader, no grand plan, for this hive. It is in many ways utopian anarchy, a virtual community that lives as much on the Internet and in airport coffee shops as in any one place or time. Or at least it is as utopian as any community largely dependent on government and corporate financing can be.

Arguably science is the most successful human activity of all time. Which is not to say that life within it is always utopian, as several of my colleagues have pointed out in articles about pharmaceutical industry payments to medical researchers.

But nobody was ever sent to prison for espousing the wrong value for the Hubble constant. There is always room for more data to argue over.

So if you’re going to get gooey about something, that’s not so bad.

It is no coincidence that these are the same qualities that make for democracy and that they arose as a collective behavior about the same time that parliamentary democracies were appearing. If there is anything democracy requires and thrives on, it is the willingness to embrace debate and respect one another and the freedom to shun received wisdom. Science and democracy have always been twins.

Credit...Harry Campbell

Today that dynamic is most clearly and perhaps crucially tested in China. As I pondered Mr. Obama’s words, I thought of Xu Liangying, an elderly Chinese physicist and Einstein scholar I met a couple of years ago, who has spent most of his life under house arrest for upholding Einstein’s maxim that there is no science without freedom of speech.

The converse might also be true. The habit of questioning that you learn in physics is invaluable in the rest of society. As Fang Lizhi, Dr. Xu’s fellow dissident whose writings helped spark the 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations and who now teaches at the University of Arizona, said in 1985, “Physics is more than a basis for technology; it is a cornerstone of modern thought.”

If we are not practicing good science, we probably aren’t practicing good democracy. And vice versa.

Science and democracy have been the watchwords of Chinese political aspirations for more than a century. When the Communist Party took power it sought to appropriate at least the scientific side of the equation. Here, for example, is what Hu Yaobang, the party’s general secretary, said in 1980. “Science is what it is simply because it can break down fetishes and superstitions and is bold in explorations and because it opposes following the beaten path and dares to destroy outmoded conventions and bad customs.”

Brave words that have yet to be allowed to come true in China. Mr. Hu was purged, and in fact it was to mourn his death that students first began assembling in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Dr. Fang got in trouble initially because he favored the Big Bang, but that was against Marxist orthodoxy that the universe was infinitely unfolding. Marxism, it might be remembered, was once promoted as a scientific theory, but some subjects were off-limits.

But once you can’t talk about one subject, the origin of the universe, for example, sooner or later other subjects are going to be off-limits, like global warming, birth control and abortion, or evolution, the subject of yet another dustup in Texas last week.

There is no democracy in China, and some would argue that despite that nation’s vast resources and potential, there will not be vigorous science there either until the Chinese leaders take seriously what Mao proclaimed back in 1955 and then cynically withdrew: Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend.

In the meantime I look forward to Mr. Obama’s cultivation of our own wild and beautiful garden.

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lmao at Obama era optimism after the bush years

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Drama was at an all time peak then.

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I remember the FEMA deathcamp conspiracies like it was yesterday :marseylaying:

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I remember when Reddit was simping for the USPS during the Trump era. The primary reason I fully believe reddit is 92% bots simping for the DNC.

Like…. It’s common knowledge that USPS is shit in comparison.

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Well first you can look at the reporting in those mainstream media articles. As the art of war dictates, "know thy enemy", once your finding actual studies, then trace back the studies that they reference. Look at the bios of the authors, see if the scientific community has upheld their research with peer reviewed studies from people that stand to gain nothing from the outcome of the peer reviews.

Now that you're looking at actual scientific studies, do your best to understand what is the question and answer each study is trying to solve. Confirm that by reviewing the other peer reviewed studies to see if everything matches up.

During these long and tedious tasks, you will probably want to stop, cause your brain with hurt and you'll be bogged down by information overload. This is natural, take a break and consolidate your thoughts, are what these authors claiming accurate? Are they making assumptions without supporting evidence? And supporting evidence needs to be confirming on its own. As in you can't make assumptions every confirming step.

Once you feel like you have the mental acuity to continue, press on. It's gonna be more of a slog, because let's face it, science papers are written for scientists and not us lay-men. But press on. You are not a sheep and thus you need to be able to confirm your own thoughts about the topic to not be lead astray. You'll probably feel extremely bored because none of this information generates emotion.

Once you've done all that, do the same thing for the other side. Find all the personal held beliefs you have about any topic. Watch the YouTube videos, read the other studies done. This part will be far easier, you'll probably notice that you are more engaged, your emotions will be higher, and you'll be nodding along to all of this stuff.

As a fun side test, try and film yourself watching these videos. For review later. If you're an avg person you'll see that you have all the signs of someone being sold something, obviously you'll need to step away before you watch the video of yourself, coming at it with a clear mind right?

Anywho, that's the beginning. And frankly I doubt you'll take this step because it is difficult. The hardest thing we can ever do is examine our deeply held beliefs. And to do it without the influence of others.

To be clear, I'm not doubting your ability to grow or examine yourself as a free and critical thinker, rather I doubt you will put in the effort. I refused to do it for about 15 years. Only when I unplugged from the influences that I thought were legitimate that I started to realize that both sides are feeding you trash. It is our responsibility to sort through it and make sense of this world.

If you have made it this far, Bravo, I hope you try some of this for yourself. In your own way. So that you won't think I'm trying to influence you any more than to make you question your deepest held beliefs.

I'll leave you with my favorite Aristotle quote:

"It is the mark of an educated mind, to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"

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