Groomercord Donates to Charity, Latinx Mad

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This reminds me of the gender neutralization hustle in other Romance languages. The Académie Française basically puts down any attempt at it and the Québécois equivalent does the same and generates massive seethe from the small number of activists. One of the Francophone cantons in Switzerland did pass some gender neutral law but it basically did nothing because of France being right next door and it annoyed a lot of people so it got removed iirc.

I’m glad everyday that English doesn’t have grammatical genders. Never even began for Romancels.

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Bah, I'm sure quebecers will cave within a few years.

For all the nationalist cope and seethe we are nothing but north americans :marseypatriot: :marseydeux:

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I don’t think they will. Quebecois, Acadians, Brayons, Métis, etc. If there’s one universal trend that never stops is that if they’re Francophone, they will never stop being annoying.

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You think we are annoying to anglos, that's nothing on intra-franco squabbling heh

We've inherited the complainy gene from frogs and the apathetic gene from bongs, truly a terrible heritage :marseyqueenlizard:

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“Je me souviens” :marseymask:

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I’m glad everyday that English doesn’t have grammatical genders. Never even began for Romancels.

False. The lack of grammatical genders is precisely the reason why all this bullshit took off among the Anglos. If it's literally impossible to say any sentence in first person without giving away your gender, there is never any question of internet misgendering, and any "gradualist" attempts to bring in stupid shit like "xir" will fundamentally be non-starters.

Just look at the results - all the languages with grammatical genders look at English in astonishment and bewilderment. Who did it never even begin for, huh?

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Who did it never even begin for, huh?

Genderedcels, not even a question.

If it's literally impossible to say any sentence in first person without giving away your gender, there is never any question of internet misgendering, and any "gradualist" attempts to bring in stupid shit like "xir" will fundamentally be non-starters.

Gender neutralizers are not motivated by misgendering though. Their premise is that since the neutral gender is rarely used and/or is exactly the same as masculine gender, then equality between the sexes is impossible. If misgendering was a problem to begin with, there would be a movement to add gendered language to English. Also Turkish, Finnish, Hungarian, Farsi, etc. speakers don’t have grammatical genders and are completely fine.

Of course, gendered neutralization is stupid and is done by a minority of the population. Anglophone activists don’t see why it’s stupid and support their efforts but they little influence among a non-Anglophone population, and in the areas where they can affect it is usually lazy and only affects the word Latinx (rdrama auto corrects the “-o” to an “-x”).

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Of course, gendered neutralization is stupid and is done by a minority of the population. Anglophone activists don’t see why it’s stupid and support their efforts but they little influence among a non-Anglophone population, and in the areas where they can affect it is usually lazy and only affects the word “Latinx” (rdrama auto corrects the “-o” to an “-x”).

But that's my point. It's basically impossible to make a language that retained its hyper-gendered nature (nearly all Indo-European ones did) without creating a truly massive project out of it requiring the support of the majority of the population. It's not just Spanish - any Slavic language has three grammatical genders, and nobody will ask to be referred to in a gender neutral way simply because the speakers of the language will gladly oblige and start referring to the person requesting as "it" in all the myriad of forms these languages possess, while laughing manically on the inside. Anglos just have neopronouns that they argue about, and thus the "modernisers" can semi-legitimately say that it's not a big deal to just say "xir".

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And even "xir" in English has faint traces of the fricking failed Esperanto project, that teenagers who read Wikipedia know is not how language works/evolves, organically. Fricking heck. It's on sight, with some of these motherlovers.

:marseypuke: :marseypuke: :marseypuke:

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Apparently there are some hundred kids or so who’s native language is Esperanto. They literally have to learn another language in order to communicate with another person.

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One of their native languages is esperanto. They always have a second native language, because the parents can't be bothered to speak esperanto around them 100% of the time.

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You underestimate the r-slurness of Esperanto speakers.

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any Slavic language has three grammatical genders, and nobody will ask to be referred to in a gender neutral way simply because the speakers of the language will gladly oblige and start referring to the person requesting as "it" in all the myriad of forms these languages possess

Don't underestimate the heckin enby cuties, I've seen some Czechs shove x in their gendered words to make them neutral and as you can imagine, it was incredibly grating, but they tried nonetheless.

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They can shove whatever the frick they want in their speech - that part doesn't bother me that much. People butcher their language regardless of where they're from. The thing is that these heckin' valid enbies in Czechia will definitely not ask anyone around them to use gender-neutral language in reference to them, because, as I said, chances are that others will gladly comply (they do so behind their backs anyway). I'm not great at Czech, so I'll give you a (fairly closely related) Polish example (which is a language I actually know pretty well):

"I tutaj ono przyszło, ubrane w zielone, namalowane na całej twarzy wszelakim gównem". Not pretty. Not at all. Hence a non-starter.

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Ooohh lemme try lemme try. Did you say:

"And here it came, dressed in green, painted upon its full face with all feces?"

:nod: Excited to practice my polish reading :3

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Yeah, but it doesn't hit quite the same in English, without the neuter forms, does it?

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Yup! :marseycool2:

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It's not just Spanish - any Slavic language has three grammatical genders, and nobody will ask to be referred to in a gender neutral way simply because the speakers of the language will gladly oblige and start referring to the person requesting as "it" in all the myriad of forms these languages possess, while laughing manically on the inside.

But that’s not what gender neutralization is. The neutralizers don’t want job titles or plural nouns to be masculine by default. Slavic languages have this same problem too despite the third neutral gender because the latter is not normally used in stuff like job titles or word endings. It’s an issue of “female representation” and “gender equality” not something about non-binaries. This is an example of what they want most gender neutralizers want and here is the Wiki article that came with it explaining what they want. They’re all completely fricking r-slurred though (the subject matter, the Wiki articles, the sources, the editors, the “issue”, Wikipedia, etc.) but that’s what they want.

In English, gender neutralizers don’t have ground to stand on (neither do the other languages but :marseyshrug: ) because most of the “issues” in other languages are not present. Gender neutralizers in say Spanish, German or (including) Russian would want to grammatically restructure their entire language and stamp out dialectal and/or colloquial varieties. The neo-pronouns are a completely different group and “issue”.

Farsi is Indo-European btw.

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This is an example of what they want most gender neutralizers want and here is the Wiki article that came with it explaining what they want.

Okay, I've read the section on Russian, because I can understand that one, and I can confidently tell you that nobody I've ever met wanted any of that, male or female, gay or straight, or any other group. My guess is that it was in fact written by some burger in a Slavic Studies department of some uni.

In English, gender neutralizers don’t have ground to stand on (neither do the other languages but :marseyshrug: )

In English, they can (quite truthfully) say that they aren't asking for much. Because they aren't. Referring to someone by a neopronoun is weird, but not a particularly big deal. In Slavic languages you would have to change everything, to the point that even enbies themselves would probably be making mistakes even if they honestly tried. It's a colossal project that absolutely nobody will ever take on and nobody would consider "reasonable". That's my point, English is kind of on its own here out of all the languages in places where wokies exist.

Farsi is Indo-European btw.

Well, I did say "almost". Also - Farsi/Dari/Tajik isn't influenced by wokies in the slightest (for obvious reasons), so for the time being - it's kind of irrelevant to the conversation.

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