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r/antiwork flexes their brigading skills as a post about them is made on r/greentext

https://old.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/qa292t/anon_goes_on_reddit?sort=controversial

Edit: guys, instead of mocking the antiwork lowcows here where it's comfy, why don't you guys go post your snazzy comebacks there so you can actually contribute to the drama?

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Not really. I'm an ML, we're very anti-antiwork of all sort - our whole point is to remove the parasitism of buttholes that live off "owning" shit or "investments" and make them do something productive. Modern-day baizuo r-sluration has nothing to do with us.

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I was asking more about the patronizing attempts at proselytization that are all too common with Marxists.

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Depends on the time and place and your definition of patronising. All sides have r-slurred proselytization attempts coming from utter nutters, except, maybe, neolibs, which don't seem to want to talk to outsiders at all and just "adopt" children into it. Kinda like gypsies.

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Because the only neolibs who call themselves neolibs are online and usually on Reddit. Outside of it, it’s just a leftoid to rightoid slur.

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But it's actually a useful term, whether or not they refer to themselves as that or not. There really isn't a better existing name for people like modern burger neolibs in existence.

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No, the term is absolutely useless. I’ve seen it used to describe from Bernie, AOC and the Left parties in Nordic countries to Trump, Bolsarno to Pinochet.

It is worse than the word fascist in this regard.

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That's the usage of the term, which is the case with any term that carries negative connotations for it's user. Rightoids called everyone from Bernie, through Obama, down to even Biden - socialists. Why? Because in their mind it's an insult or something without any particular meaning other than government doing stuff.

As a descriptive term outside of derogatory usage, "neoliberal" kind of does make sense - it describes the sort of centrist, pink capitalist progressives that came about in the early 21st century. They abandoned all pretense of their Social-Democratic roots, and are just a force against dismantling an existing safety net, patching up the holes in it caused by ever-increasing inequality, and pushing through the agenda of the special interest alliance that they have as a captive voter base. There isn't a better term for it, as liberal is too broad and progressive can mean whatever the frick you want it to mean, depending on your position in time and space.

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First of all, I don’t necessarily disagree about that assessment about progressives and social democrats in the second paragraph but I don’t agree with it either. I can see someone arguing both ways and still be somewhat right.

Second, the thing is, no one outside those who are terminally online or circlejerking in academic and political circles ever uses the word β€œneoliberal”. It is also extremely new, in the hyper-β€œgeneralized” way it is used now. Socialism by contrast is a word politically important to those all across the political spectrum and has been so for 200+ years, including the arch conservatives and/or reactionary (rather than radical/”overly”-populist) right. In fact, Vladimir Lenin deliberately renamed the Social Democratic Labor Party of Russia (Bolshevik) to the Communist Party of Russia (Bolshevik) as well as other parties around the world specifically for the reason that just identifying as socialist did not showcase their radicalness to the otherwise somewhat acclimated bourgeoisie. As compared to β€œneoliberal” it has roots that are obscure and only stays in certain circles but has no definition.

The only place where people self identify as β€œneoliberal” is literally on Reddit. That should be telling how small of a presence the term has the wider political world. And despite of that, it’s function remains as diluted as the words β€œfascist” and β€œsocialist”.

In regards to needing a term to describe something, it’s not really necessary. You guys on the left think too much in terms and categorizations of categorizations. An almost completely different mindset comparatively.

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Mommy is soooo proud of you, sweaty. Let's put this sperg out up on the fridge with all your other failures.

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In regards to needing a term to describe something, it’s not really necessary. You guys on the left think too much in terms and categorizations of categorizations. An almost completely different mindset comparatively.

Because it's important. It legitimately annoys me when people say Biden, Clinton, or Blair are "left". They aren't by any stretch of the imagination, unless you're looking at them from the point of view of fricking Mussolini or something (and even then, tbh...)

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So, yeah, you need labels for political movements in order to not lump in Lenin with fricking Sanders or Churchill with Hitler. It's nonsense...

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How the frick are you a machine that's learning?

Your ideology is r-slurred, sorry.

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This landphobia, please do better. :marseymad:

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